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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:50 / 20.06.06
One. Conversation. With. One. Person.

Um, that may have been the example he used, but really. What the fuck else do they ever talk about? Other than nominations, obviously.

Actually, that's a stupid question. There's very rarely a sound feed... DAMN YOU, TELLY PEOPLE. DAMN YOU.
 
 
Ganesh
00:50 / 20.06.06
Apart from anything else, I think he was being a little extravagant- I don't really see an inability to connect with the others at all. (I only just thought of that so I'm quite prepared to believe it conflicts with anything I've said previously, btw).

Are we sure he wasn't just having, as most of do from time to time, a bad day when he FELT he wasn't connecting with anyone? Nobody seems to have the reverse problem... wouldn't that suggest he's just wrong and possibly having a bad day?


As opposed to what? All the good days, when he's successfully engaged people in stimulating discourse about all the meaty topics bubbling around in his cranium? Not really seeing it.
 
 
Ganesh
00:52 / 20.06.06
Does it make him a dull boy, though? I must admit, I fucking hate insects, but watching him trying to get people to understand his love of them was great telly.

I thought it was slightly saccharine, but there y'go. It's rather slim pickings if we're attempting to compile a list of Pivotal House Moments Initiated By Pete.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:53 / 20.06.06
As opposed to what? All the good days, when he's successfully engaged people in stimulating discourse about all the meaty topics bubbling around in his cranium? Not really seeing it.

Okay, you got me there.

I think what I'm trying to say is that he'd be the last one I'd shoot, really.

It would otherwise probably be Aisleyne, really, cos she seems to be both pleasant and interesting... but the fur thing kind of gets in the way there.

Although I feel at the moment I really should admit that I like Richard now, even though I hated him to start with.

I'm so confused.
 
 
Ganesh
01:02 / 20.06.06
It struck me that the role Pete's been playing (since quite early on in the game) has been comforter of those trodden upon by Team Grace.

I don't think it's necessarily that specific. He's kind of there for a lot of Housemates in the way a dog is there when you're feeling a bit miserable (although possibly less effusive than a dog). The Richard/HootchGate example is pretty much the only time I can remember his comforting being meaningful in the sense of him saying much.

He's a peacemaker/humanitarian type.

No he isn't. He doesn't intervene in any way to bring about peace. Once the conflict has passed, he'll do the almost-silent comforting thing, but he doesn't actually do anything either way to speed its passing.

Maybe either the constant bitchy verbiage or the inclusion of a more vocal diplomat like Richard left him spinning a little. Or could be that he recognizes something of his mascot status in the house? I can't imagine he's incapable of a normal conversation.

He was largely passive before the bitching started in earnest, and he's had plenty of time to stop "spinning". He might recognise his mascot status but, if so, he's done little to resist or address it. I've no idea whether he is or isn't capable of a normal conversation, because other than occasional snippets in the Diary Room, I've seen very little normal conversation from Pete.

Or maybe, he just needs to recharge a little, no? Be away from everyone for a day, not have to see the same old faces, that type of thing.

Yes, because clearly he's worn them and himself out with his incessant dialogue.
 
 
Ganesh
01:13 / 20.06.06
Did anyone else see Big Brother's Big Brain tonight? I thought it was possibly the rubbishiest yet in terms of crappo pseudoscience which even a 5-year-old could see didn't hold together.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:18 / 20.06.06
To be fair to Pete, he has got off with Nikki.

Possibly, he's bitten off more than he can chew by agreeing to show up for this nightmare in the first place, but he is at least trying to be entertaining.
 
 
Shrug
01:30 / 20.06.06
No he isn't. He doesn't intervene in any way to bring about peace. Once the conflict has passed, he'll do the almost-silent comforting thing, but he doesn't actually do anything either way to speed its passing.

Well, yeah, I haven't been watching too much of late but the only other instance I can remember is his talk with Grace regarding her mimicking of Aisleyne. And being a relatively passive type with the emminently more vocal Richard there, Pete'd have little room for the softly-softly approach.


Yes, because clearly he's worn them and himself out with his incessant dialogue.

I imagine you were being a bit flip with that but I meant worn out by the house atmosphere. Pete's a sensitive type, really, and a tension filled environment, I'd imagine, would make him withdraw more than a little. His "cats and birds" analogy came quite early on in the diary room and was probably a pretty clear portent of his thoughts on house interaction.
 
 
Shrug
01:32 / 20.06.06
I've no idea whether he is or isn't capable of a normal conversation, because other than occasional snippets in the Diary Room, I've seen very little normal conversation from Pete.

Could just be the difference of me not watching alot yet this year but catching some of the more endearing Pete bits by chance. To be honest I haven't seen a terrible amount of normal conversation, apart from the odd bitchfest, from anyone.
 
 
Ganesh
06:34 / 20.06.06
To be fair to Pete, he has got off with Nikki.

Did he initiate that, or did he acquiesce to Nikki getting off with him?
 
 
Ganesh
06:45 / 20.06.06
... his talk with Grace regarding her mimicking of Aisleyne. And being a relatively passive type with the emminently more vocal Richard there, Pete'd have little room for the softly-softly approach.

Relatively passive? I think that was indeed pretty much the only instance of Pete taking exception to something. I can't recall if he said something directly to Grace or to someone else, but it followed the usual pattern of: Pete expresses mild annoyance with X ("shallow"); X responds ("I'm not shallow, I'm a nice person"); Pete grins, mugs, accepts it. Softly-softly to the point of barely being there.

I imagine you were being a bit flip with that but I meant worn out by the house atmosphere. Pete's a sensitive type, really, and a tension filled environment, I'd imagine, would make him withdraw more than a little. His "cats and birds" analogy came quite early on in the diary room and was probably a pretty clear portent of his thoughts on house interaction.

If he's worn out, he was worn out the moment he entered, because he's never played a truly active (as opposed to reactive) part in a group conversation or activity - or not that I can recall. We're forced to imagine his being otherwise in a non-House setting. As I say, if he's so totally "sensitive" that he genuinely can't find a thing to talk about with thirteen people, then he's lacking in either social skills or interest in other human beings. We can, of course, choose to romanticise that as Saint Pete being on a different place "spiritually" from teh shallow, chattering sheeple, but I'm a little suspicious of such a rationale.
 
 
Ganesh
06:49 / 20.06.06
To be honest I haven't seen a terrible amount of normal conversation, apart from the odd bitchfest, from anyone.

If you only watch the highlights shows, you could be forgiven for thinking it's all about the bitching, but the live footage confirms that, actually, the House is full of people engaging in "normal conversation". Incredibly, they're not all base, superficial, bitchy humatons there to try Saint Pete.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:22 / 20.06.06
Did anyone else see Big Brother's Big Brain tonight?

I managed to watch about five minutes of it before getting annoyed with BB's pop-psychologist. I really find it hard to watch her spouting off for longer than that without attempting to flying kick the telly.

Was it yet more "Wow, isn't Grace marvellous?" nonsense?
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
08:45 / 20.06.06
The worst bit about BBBB was the lie detector section - in which the rules changed per answer, to the point that it didn't make sense. When Grace was asked whether she liked Suzie to see what her lies looked like the machine had a shit fit, the exact same shit fit when Grace was asked if she was jealous of Emma Frost. But the second time, according to the lie detector guy, she wasn't lying. But it was the same result as when she was. But she wasn't. But she was. But wasn't. Are all polygraph tests just bollocks then?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
08:56 / 20.06.06
I think it basically gauges the bodies reaction to a certain question. And the guy was basing part of his answers on facial expressions also. So for the "Are you jealous of Emma Frost?" question, her body certainly REACTS strongly. But she would swear up and down that she isn't jealous and has probably convinced herself of this, but the machine still showed she was completely threatened by her in the sense of "How could anybody think THAT in comparison to ME?" which I found all the more amusing. She acts almost offended, yet completely gives herself away by the reaction. Reacting so strongly to the very idea that she could possibly be jealous of Aisleyne...

Well, it's a beautiful thing.
 
 
Shrug
10:11 / 20.06.06
If you only watch the highlights shows, you could be forgiven that it's all about the bitching, but the live footage confirms that, actually, the House is full of people engaging in "normal conversation". Incredibly, they're not all base, superficial, bitchy humatons there to try Saint Pete.

Yeah I've been watching the highlights show solely this year (if that) so any opinion I have is based solely on pretty limited footage. Plus my tv has been broken for a week.

Hmmm, not that they're all "bitchy humatons there to try Saint Pete" but it does seem to be the bitchiest house yet (that became apparent during the first few days), and Pete, by nature, just seems to stay out of it. The birds cats rationale was his not mine but, as I said, perhaps, illustrated his thoughts on the matter.

I think the Nikki thing was in response to spin the bottle. Did he acquiesce? Ooo not sure but I do remember him continuously saying "not yet" in an oh-but-we-will-way when asked if him and Nikki were going to getting off with one another that night when they shared a bed.
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:44 / 20.06.06
Regarding the Pete/Nikki thing, I don't think he was exactly pressured into it. He kissed Lea rather chastely by comparisson. If all it took was a bit of assertiveness then Lea would have had her creepy way with Pete there and then.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:58 / 20.06.06
He does have a rather endearing tendency to quietly and without any fuss stand in between people when it looks like there might be fisticuffs, though. Which could prove handy unless they sort Lisa out with some more tobacco...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:59 / 20.06.06
Actually, not that I'm suggesting he's that cynical, but letting himself get lamped with a punch meant for someone else would be such a surefire winning move that everyone else may as well pack up and go home.
 
 
penitentvandal
11:15 / 20.06.06
even Mikey cannot be reduced to the content of a single conversation

Actually, I think it's depressingly easy to do just that...

And - polygaph tests are bollocks, basically. They can't really reveal if you're lying, just whether you're anxious about something. UK courts, IIRC, will no longer accept polygraph tests as evidence of dissimulation.

Having heard that it was total shit pseudoscience I am now keen to watch the BBBB repeat this avo. Though to be honest the only way I'd be happy with it would be if they re-enacted Stanley Milgram's electrocution experiment with Grace and real elctricity...
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:21 / 20.06.06
I'm sorry, but I think he's a decent guy. I can think of a fair few times he stood up for people, even if it's as minor as snapping at Grace for patronising Glynn, or telling Lisa off. Just because he doesn't scream or yell, doesn't make him as passive as you're painting him Ganesh.
Look, I'm not the guys biggest fan or anything, but it just seems the amount of bitching and snarking has rather worn him down, as it's been relentless since the beginning. Which, while making for entertaining telly probably makes for shit day to day interraction.
And I honestly think, in this particular house, there really is a derth of interesting conversationalists, with maybe the exception of Richard and, unlike Dimogen, Pete seems to prefer keeping silent rather than engage in the bitch-fest. Doesn't make him dull in my books. But each to their own, and if he's rubbing your rhubarb the wrong way I don't see much is going to change that.
 
 
penitentvandal
11:36 / 20.06.06
Yes - Pete, at least, doesn't sit about going on about how the older housemates are TEH BORANG and don't talk about anything interesting like, er, bitching about the other HMs 24/7...

Interesting thread on DS, someone's written a (rather ungrammatical, admittedly) letter to Endemol criticising their downplaying of the Gracist's behaviour. They allege that a little bit of the ol' nepotism may be ccurring when Dermot et al present their, ahem, 'imaginative reinterpretations' of Grace's answers to the polygraph etc:

The fact that Dermot O'Leary works alongside Grace's Godmother (Mariella Frostrup) appears to have affected his judgement maybe?...I can't believe such a bias has any other reasoning unless your arm was twisted by Grace's mother and the media contacts she has in place from her time in the business.

Can anyone shed some light on this interesting Konspiracee theory?
 
 
The Strobe
11:46 / 20.06.06
Incredibly, they're not all base, superficial, bitchy humatons there to try Saint Pete.

Ganesh, your tone on this thread is getting wearisome at times. We see your point and are grateful for it, because the point of this board is, after all, discussion of differing opinions. We're also grateful for your professional opinion, which is not something I would ever call into question seeing as, well, I don't know that much about your field.

However, some people have still chosen to disagree with you, becuase they feel that they like Pete. This is not to the exclusion of anyone else, and it's not necessarily a symptom of over-simplifying the situation. It's an opinion they wish to express.

This is about the second or third time that you've got increasingly narked - and slightly patronising - when a diverse array of people have posted opinions which differ to yours. It actually makes me uncomfortable to post in this thread, as I'm not sure I can cope with the effort of being told off.

You may have started the thread this year, but that doesn't make it your personal property. I do believe that you're not intending to treat it as such, but it does feel like that every now and then.
 
 
Evil Scientist
12:02 / 20.06.06
You may have started the thread this year, but that doesn't make it your personal property. I do believe that you're not intending to treat it as such, but it does feel like that every now and then.

If you don't believe it's the case then why say it in the first place?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:17 / 20.06.06
(Difference between intent and result is what Paleface was getting at, I think, EC. Not that I have a view - except the view that Pete hiding his head in his sleeve when Glynn talked about forgetting that cars exist was enough to buy him a place in my good books.)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:46 / 20.06.06
Just watching Diary Room Uncut- I think I like Aisleyne for much the same reason that I liked Traci (and, to a lesser extent, Chantelle) on this year's CBB- she's determined to enjoy herself while she's in the house. And have fun and stuff. Her attitude towards the game seems to be one of playing in the less Machiavellian sense of the word.

Wonder how long that'll last.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
12:58 / 20.06.06
Yes, poor Pete did look, briefly, like he wanted to die then. For understandable reasons.

OK, English isn't his first language, and he's only eighteen, and he probably can't help it, but surely if we're talking about pointless, grating and tedious housemates this year, Gollum's got to be up against the wall well before Pete? He's got all the charm of a speaking c(l)ock, that boyo.

I don't know much at all about Tourette's, but I'd have thought that avoiding stressful situations would be one of the first things you'd do if you wanted to keep it under control - I'm guessing Pete doesn't lose his temper in the house because he can't really afford to, in terms of coming unstuck live on Channel 4. Uniquely out of this years crop, Pete still seems aware of the fact that he's on television. If he's a bit guarded at the moment, well he's right to be, isn't he? I don't suppose any of us really understand what it's like to be in the house, but, worst case scenario, you'd want to leave with some sense of personal dignity intact.

And he did defuse 'nicked-bottle-of-champagne-gate' quite well, I thought. If Richard had intervened;

'Grace, you're being a cretin' and such, that situation would only have got worse.

Which, admittedly, would have made for better television.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:10 / 20.06.06
Uniquely out of this years crop, Pete still seems aware of the fact that he's on television.

I've got the impression that Aisleyne is aware of the public's eye as well. She avoided the spin-the-bottle game and the cliche of hetgirl-on-hetgirl kissing. She's not going anywhere near Mikey knowing that trying to pull him won't go down too well with the GBP.

She's my favourite though, it's always fun to watch her when other people are talking.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:19 / 20.06.06
Actually, yeah, you're right there, ES.

Does Ms A actually fancy Mikey though? My feeling is not, how could she etc, but recent events ... well I just don't know.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:38 / 20.06.06
Well at Susy's dinner party she mentioned having one or two dreams about him, and kinda sorta said she fancied him. But then said she wouldn't do anything about it because he was with Grace. She also mucked around with him a bit at the start (before Grace made it clear she wasn't happy about it).

I think, after the past week or so, she's decided that it's not worth pursuing as Mikey's flirting heavily with Imogen. Possibly also because he's revealed himself to be an unlikeable sort.
 
 
sleazenation
14:17 / 20.06.06
Hmmm it just occured to me that in a tourettes blind taste test between Lisa and Pete, Lisa could easily be the one diagnosed most frequently by joe public...
 
 
penitentvandal
14:37 / 20.06.06
Well, that (BB's Big Brain) was a right load of cock. Not so much the Pointless Polygraph but the stupid pop psychology woman. 'There are four different types of bitching...' Are there? Really? Who did the research, then? Who identified them? Which journal did they publish in? Come on, dear, where is this vast field of psychological literature on the subject of 'bitching'?

Oh, hang on...it's not 'bitching', I see, it's 'informational warfare.' Another term I've never heard of, and which sounds suspiciously unlikely to ever surface in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. Where did you qualify, love, the University of Lego? Jeeze.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:45 / 20.06.06
That was about the point of Big Brain when I decided my time would be better spent in bed trying to shake last night's hangover.
 
 
Ganesh
16:56 / 20.06.06
Ganesh, your tone on this thread is getting wearisome at times. We see your point and are grateful for it, because the point of this board is, after all, discussion of differing opinions. We're also grateful for your professional opinion, which is not something I would ever call into question seeing as, well, I don't know that much about your field.

Paleface, your tone in this post is already wearisome. I'm re-e-easonably sure I've not yet flagged up an opinion specifically as a "professional" one (possibly because none of the Housemates, to my knowledge, currently suffers from a psychiatric disorder, so I'd be somewhat outwith my "field" if I tried to do so). I have a modicum of training in psychology, certainly, and that informs my opinion, but I'm not a psychologist and, as opinions go, mine is pretty much a personal one. I argue it fairly tenaciously, but I think that's down to enthusiasm for the subject matter rather than specifically what I do for a living.

However, some people have still chosen to disagree with you, becuase they feel that they like Pete. This is not to the exclusion of anyone else, and it's not necessarily a symptom of over-simplifying the situation. It's an opinion they wish to express.

Ye-e-es, just as my opinion (which, I'd hasten to add, is not about 'feeling' that I don't like Pete; it's not simply a case of like/dislike) is an opinion I wish to express. I'm interested in how Pete is perceived generally and I'm throwing out hypotheses (all of which you're perfectly welcome to disagree with) and speculating, but I'm not diagnosing 'symptoms'. That seems rather to be your own interpretation of what I'm doing.

This is about the second or third time that you've got increasingly narked - and slightly patronising - when a diverse array of people have posted opinions which differ to yours. It actually makes me uncomfortable to post in this thread, as I'm not sure I can cope with the effort of being told off.

That's unfortunate. If you can't cope with vigorous disagreement (and I see it as vigorous disagreement rather than simply my being "narked" or 'telling people off') then perhaps you're better off not posting in this thread. Or a message-board generally. Or maybe sticking to the explicitly low-snark discussions?

You may have started the thread this year, but that doesn't make it your personal property. I do believe that you're not intending to treat it as such, but it does feel like that every now and then.

I don't believe I've claimed this thread is my "personal property", and (warning: I'm about to use a psychology term) it's perhaps a little passive-aggressive of you to throw the point up if you don't believe that's what I'm doing. The fact that you feel X does not mean I'm doing X. I'm sure you know this, and may feel patronised by my pointing it out, but hey ho. Sometimes it's difficult to avoid someone somewhere feeling patronised.

Possibly, Paleface, rather than expending time and pixels projecting some sort of malignly superior 'professionalism' onto me then taking jabs at it, you might more usefully take issue with what I'm saying? Y'know, making a case for your opinion and all that? If you disagree with what I'm saying about Pete, say why you disagree. Don't simply tell me I'm a big meanie psychiatrist who makes you not want to post. Post more.
 
 
Ganesh
17:03 / 20.06.06
Was it yet more "Wow, isn't Grace marvellous?" nonsense?

The BBBB thing pretty much was "isn't Grace marvellous" or, at least, more of the ooh-you-are-awful-but-we-like-you "great Housemate" excusal of her behaviour. I got annoyed at the soft-as-diarrhoea pop psychology of the 'different types of bitching' (all of which used wholly interchangeable examples) and the lie detector part was an exercise in goalpost-moving. It seemed to me like palmistry or something: a little bit of interpretation of physiology informed by several weeks of having watched the subject and formed ready-made opinions on her.
 
  

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