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Doctor Who: Season 2 UK

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

12:38 / 15.06.06

If you are at all sensitive to casting information and how it impacts on future stories in a potentially spoilerific way then I suggest people avoid the BBC news website today...

It'd also be an idea not to have a job which requires that you read newspapers. DAMN YOU, TABLOIDS!!!

13:14 / 15.06.06

Further complicating the ‘banned from the Empire’ side of things, of course, would be the fact that in ‘linear time’, the Doctor and Rose have (repeatedly, and in her case, of necessity, given where and when she was born) visited the Empire after Victoria was on the throne.
So really it should have been:
QV: Henceforth you are banned, never to set foot in the Empire again.
DW: Tough luck, Vicky - by your perception of time, I already have.

13:27 / 15.06.06

Surely Rose was born outside of the British Empire in that Britain was no longer an Empire in the 1980s when she was born...

14:16 / 15.06.06

Are you talking about a parallel earth or something, Sleaze? The Empire still shines bright to this day, ruled over by HRH King Lupo Phaedrus II.

(Which is to say: ah yes, good point. I was thinking in terms of the British Isles, really. Duh.)

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

15:14 / 15.06.06

So, this means I wasn't--

(is forcibly dragged away from the keyboard by mad Whooligans)

;-)

Our Lady Has Left the Building

17:20 / 15.06.06

I think it was the latest two-parter that really got a good solid performance all the way through from the Doctor for me. That whole "I'm getting old" thing, playing back to the thing with Rose in the school episode, "You can spend the rest of your life with me but I can't spend the rest of my life with you." Seeing as it was Rose refusing to give up and come back for the Doctor that saved the day at the end of the last series I wonder if the crisis-point is that they are going to chose to seperate and not help one another in this series? I too am sure I've heard contradictory statements about Ms Piper's involvement in s.3 (she's currently filming a Phillip Pullman thing for CBBC, yay!), I wonder if she's not in the next season whether they'll allow Tennant to get a bit darker, something I think he can play (presuming they don't kill him off at the end of the season!).

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

17:58 / 15.06.06

According to Time Lord mythology--and again, this is in theory, so no one yell at me--aren't Time Lords only allowed 13 incarnations? Let's say if they were to kill Tennant off--which doesn't seem bloody likely--would they really want to risk alienating an audience? Especially if they kept switching out Doctors?

I've always thought Companions can come and go, but the main focus of the show was always the Doctor.

Mister Six, whom all the girls

18:07 / 15.06.06

pre-Ace, you're right.

after the introduction of Ace, the direction of the show steadily grew into becoming more to do with the companions, not just the Doctor.

Despite my ungripedness of his performance, Tennant can't leave yet. He's only just arrived! But it seems obvious to me given RTD's track record that something big is gonna happen in the finale, 'Doomsday.' And if it's Rose leaving, it gives the excuse to drive the characterisation down a dark path.

Could work wonders.

18:22 / 15.06.06

And if it's Rose leaving, it gives the excuse to drive the characterisation down a dark path.

Agreed. I just hope they don't take Captain Jack down a dark and brooding path. I likes me Jack footloose and buckling the ol' swash.

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

18:33 / 15.06.06

I would think it fantastic if Tennant's Doctor went down a pretty dark path. After all his strange facial mugging and goofy puppy-like demeanor, this track would be wonderful. I hope it happens.

In re: the possiblity of a new Doctor (again, highly unlikely), I would still watch, but it wouldn't be fair to make me get comfy with a Doctor and then take him away again.

Of course, suspense is the point, innit?

19:05 / 15.06.06

If Rose is leaving, then I'd like to see the Doctor pick up a companion from New Earth-one of the liberated plague carriers. This would allow the production team to continue basing episodes in modern day/relatively close past settings, so the Doctor can show the liberated neo-human how her ancestors lived. It would also allow the script-writers to skim over annoying explanations for slightly psychic paper, and other futuristic tools as a person from this distant future will already have an understanding of them.

I've been hoping that Captain Jack will return for season 3, but I really don't see it happening now. The production schedule for season 3 of Who and season 1 of Torchwood are likely to overlap, not allowing Jack to make recurring appearances in Who. Still, I'm sure that we'll be able to have a guest spot from him, although the trade-off would probably be Jack-lite episode of Torchwood.

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

19:11 / 15.06.06

I was going to voice my suggestion for a new Companion idea and then--fwoop! It disappeared.

Right. Off to catch up on episodes.

19:59 / 15.06.06

Tom Baker? Understated performance?

There's something you don't hear everyday.

Do you remember which episodes they were?

Don't want to produce too much threadrot, but... "Pyramids of Mars," "Robots of Death," and "City of Death." Lots of "of Death" back then, I guess. The Doctor seems like he's a fairly passive guy who will occasionally jump into the action somewhat.

I thought "Pyramids" was silly because of the evil android mummies and their deadly uniboobs. "City" had some good dialogue (Douglas Adams, o' course) but dragged on too much, there. "Robots" was pretty fun and actually tense. But, really; Tom Baker = sleepy Doctor.

He (Tennant) even does a mime of the monster toward the end! WTF!!

I loved that bit, myself, but Tennant's completely sold me, by now. I really don't mind the "girning" -- I call that acting. The Doctor, in my mind, is not a granite-faced scholar, but an exaggeratory explorer.

The production schedule for season 3 of Who and season 1 of Torchwood are likely to overlap,

Really? Isn't Torchwood supposed to start in October? I'd imagine they'd have done quite a bit of production by then. I'm thinking they'll bring Jack in to ease a transition to a new companion. If they go that route.

Are Being Stolen By Bandits

20:20 / 15.06.06

According to Time Lord mythology--and again, this is in theory, so no one yell at me--aren't Time Lords only allowed 13 incarnations?

That's always been the understanding, but to be honest, any writer who couldn't think up at least 4 or 5 perfectly acceptable retcons/justifications for allowing the Doctor to continue regenerating past #13 (as long as there's still an audience for the series, really) should hang his/her head in shame. Particularly given how fluid the show's "mythology" has been over the years anyway.

20:43 / 15.06.06

I think the only canonical reference to 12/13 regenerations is in Deadly Assassin. There's no mention of it when the Valeyard appears, apart from an allusion to a "final incarnation". I could be wrong, but I think the DA mention is very much about the Master having used up HIS regens, and only implies that it's the normal way of the Time Lords.
It's just us fanboys that have made it a fact, innit?

20:56 / 15.06.06

In the five doctors it is also implied that the timelords could grant the Master a fresh set of regenerations as they offer to do this...

21:17 / 15.06.06

any writer who couldn't think up at least 4 or 5 perfectly acceptable retcons/justifications for allowing the Doctor to continue regenerating past #13

With all the Time Lords dead, I suppose there's an infinite amount of regeneration cycles left behind. If they re-introduce the Master next season, they could have an on-going storyline where both Time Lords battle to acquire the remaining regenerations.

Another reason for the absence of Captain Jack in season 3 would be that the producers would be spreading the character too thin. They'd struggle to find anything to do with him in season 3 if most of his arc stuff was dealt with in Torchwood several months earlier. Of course, if they don't deal with his story in Torchwood (after all, the show isn't called Captain Jack) then they're missing a great oppertunity.

I really would like to see how Barrowman and Tennant play against each other, though.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

22:02 / 15.06.06

Don't read the Sun today (Friday), either. Fuck, I hate spoilers. I hate my job when Doctor Who's on.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

22:13 / 15.06.06

Or indeed the Times. That's the fucking worst.
In fact, don't read anything at fucking all.
Bunch of bastards. (Not you lot, obviously...)

22:47 / 15.06.06

are these piper spoilers or plot spoilers?

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

23:40 / 15.06.06

Both. I didn't even want the first type of spoiler. Let alone to be told the in-story reasons for it. WHY do they do this shit? Bastardsbastardsbastards.

11:18 / 16.06.06

I would think it fantastic if Tennant's Doctor went down a pretty dark path. After all his strange facial mugging and goofy puppy-like demeanor, this track would be wonderful. I hope it happens.

Yes. I hope they burn the Doctor alive. I hope they get Rob Liefeld to draw him.

11:25 / 16.06.06

I hope they get Rob Liefeld to draw him.

Tennant better hit the gym then.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

11:50 / 16.06.06

Or get silicone implants...

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

12:55 / 16.06.06

Wait, wait...I thought everyone liked Tennant? Despite the "girning," I thought we were okay with him.

Tough crowd out here.

13:04 / 16.06.06

I like Tennant. The facial gymnastics is annoying, but I can live with it. I think he's loads better than Ecclestone, who never really convinced me he was the Doctor. Granted, I've caught all of this season and only managed to see about half of the last season, so maybe Ecclestone grows on you. I hated that really fake camp smile that he kept doing in the episodes I saw though, that was easily as irritating as the gurning.

Whisky Priestess

13:25 / 16.06.06

I just don't think Chris Eccleston*'s face was meant to look happy. Ever.

*This is the right spelling, I checked (not that it particularly matters). I think some people are experiencing interference from Bernie Ecclestone.

13:30 / 16.06.06

Dude - they could have saved a lot of money on the CGI budget by just having Bernie Ecclestone play satan - the wages of sin are etched into that man's body...

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

13:47 / 16.06.06

I just don't think Chris Eccleston*'s face was meant to look happy. Ever.

Oh, I don't know about that. I liked his goofy grin mainly because you didn't see it often. I've already said that I really liked his interpretation of the Doctor because it was darker, conflicted, and condescending. (Just look at the way he treats Adam at the end of "The Long Game.")

I like Tennant as well; he grew on me quite immediately. But my particular favorite (and when I say "favorite", I mean "okay, now that's silly") girning of his was the unbelievable child-like look when he kissed Madame Du Pompadour. He looked like a schoolboy. I didn't know who to be embarrassed for: Tennant or us.

13:55 / 16.06.06

Season 3 takes a turn for the worse....

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

14:01 / 16.06.06

I am so glad I didn't have a mouth of liquid right then.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

14:31 / 16.06.06

I hope the Doctor's next companion is a pirate. That would rock.

14:31 / 16.06.06

A mouth of liquid would be a bit of a liability. How would you chew?

Kali, Queen of Kitteh

14:54 / 16.06.06

With my mouth of liquid, I could easily be an alien on season three.

Whisky Priestess

15:21 / 16.06.06

Mouth of liquid and nose of steel!

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