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Grant Morrison's Batman

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Shiny: Well Over Thirty

18:34 / 18.04.07

Yeah, I partially agree that the Shiva beating was okay because it was Prometheus. But the bigger part of why I think it was okay was because Gail Simone wrote it in Birds of Prey. If some other writer on some other book had had Prometheus waltz in and easily beat Shiva, then it might have come off as unpleasant and/or sexist - but on Birds of Prey Gail Simone has a consistent record of building up female characters and indeed of building up Shiva in particular, and so in having Prometheus defeat her so easily I thought she pulled nice trick of both buidling Prometheus back up to to his old form remarkably quickly and of providing a nice bit of character work for Shiva, getting to show things going completely differently for her than they usually do. That sort of thing is pretty much the reason I absolutely frecking adore almost all of Gail's work.

andrewdrilon

20:05 / 18.04.07

Does anyone know how long GM's gonna be staying on Batman? And is Kubert still the regular artist or is JH taking over permanently after this arc?

Spaniel

20:40 / 18.04.07

I think GM's on till the end of next year at least.

This Sunday

04:26 / 19.04.07

Does Morrison ever announce himself as only on for a short-term? Seems like he usually markets his runs as long-going and then roughly two or three issues before the end, announces it. Except for 'JLA' of course, or something of his own, in which case we know fairly well ahead where the cut-off for GM issues is coming.

I always kinda wondered how the contracting works for that. Did he intend more Wildstorm issues and backed out? Did he have to give money back to Marvel for X-issues he'd been arranged for, or did he stop when there was a kink in the schedule?

I'm on one level just counting down to the day where someone decides nobody can do a good job on the title after Morrison. Because that seems to happen kinda frequent.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

05:07 / 19.04.07

Well Animal Man went on for many years, then there was a bunch of creator-owned stuff, JLA still goes on, and X-Men. So I don't think GM is 'the great stories' killer, although I believe that the sales for the Ultimates titles are declining as the big names like Ellis and Millar leave, though not being someone interested in these things I'm only reporting on hearsay.

This Sunday

05:19 / 19.04.07

What I mean is that, well it's the goddammed Batman. Peopl keep insisting Morrison kills these properties like by magick or something. But, y'know, who's going to say that about the Batman?

And someone will.

This Sunday

03:30 / 21.04.07

I can only hope the traps involve either dropping several weaponised explodey Rocket Reds onto people or this: http://superdickery.com/oneshot/39.html are involved.

Or, y'know: and now, Batman, you will box Mogo. Round one begins now.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

04:31 / 21.04.07

I think some of those who for whatever reason like to insist that Morrison destroys characters have already been grumbling about him doing so for years, ever since he used his absurdly competent version of Batman in JLA. Makes no sense as a criticism to me, but I’m pretty sure it goes around out there already.

Spaniel

05:30 / 21.04.07

Surely it's not that he destroys characters, it's that he writes stories that feel like the final word and that are, therefore, difficult to follow.

I suppose that's got something to do with prediliction for deconstruction.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

06:08 / 21.04.07

Well quite, but in the days when I used to read a lot of comic book messageboards I did notice a small but significant number of posters who were absolutely vehement that Morrison destroyed everything he touched.

I think if anything the opposite is technically true - Morrison actually usually reconstructs the characters he plays with and leaves them more healthy than before - it's the way the things he comes up with are mishandled after he's gone that seems to quite frequently do the damage.

But try telling that to some of these seemingly apoplectic posters on other less interesting comic discussion areas on the net and you are probably banging you're head against a brick wall.

Spaniel

06:14 / 21.04.07

That's why you must stay away from those boards. It is the only way.

Spyder Todd 2008

18:14 / 22.04.07

Boboss speaks strong truth.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

18:42 / 22.04.07

Absolutely. I realized this around the time I stumbled across a site somewhere on which someone was ranting that not only did Morrison ruin the X-men, JLA, Batman, Superman and Doom Patrol but also Animal Man. At that point all my mind really wanted to do was curl up in a ball in Arkham thinking 'Tekili-li! The Horror! Tekili-li!' over and over again. Since that day I've only risked very quick visits to other comic book sites, and only then when I'm after very specific bits of information. My minds as safe as it's ever going to be that way.

Phex: Dorset Doom

20:02 / 22.04.07

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what was the reasoning behind that? Even in a medium as contentious as comics there's little disagreement that Grunt Bobbington took a forgotten character who would have otherwise disappeared and did something pretty awesome with him.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

04:36 / 23.04.07

No reasoning per se. Just red faced shouting that Animal Man had barely been used since Morrison used him, with increasingly strident shouting whenever anyone pointed out that actually his book ran for another five years or so, and that nobody ever used him, or cared about him before.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

05:17 / 23.04.07

So I guess I like to think that he really beleive what he was bellowing about Animal Man. He'd just advanced the hypothesis that Morrison ruined absolutly everything he touched and when he was reminded about Animal Man and confronted with pretty solid proof that his hypothesis was flawed, he just would not back down in the face of that evidence.

This Sunday

05:23 / 23.04.07

Morrison hates comics. Especially the superhero ones.

Everyone knows it's true.

Spaniel

06:31 / 23.04.07

And he's on drugs.

Spaniel

08:00 / 23.04.07

And he's completely mental.

He's an ideas guy. Crazy ideas!

This Sunday

08:15 / 23.04.07

And he doesn't understand the characters. Not like I do.

Cyclops (or Beast, Buddy, Bats, Superman...) would never do that. Yes, I know they did something very similar two or three times years ago, but that was different.

Spaniel

08:43 / 23.04.07

But he's such a brilliant (and crazy) ideas guy.

Really brilliant. Ideas.

andrewdrilon

09:13 / 23.04.07

LOL this has to be the best detour this thread's taken yet.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

09:23 / 23.04.07

But he ruined AQUAMAN!!!1!!!23!"!!!!11!!!

This Sunday

14:28 / 23.04.07

I just popped around the interweb and, oi, people really really do have it in for Morrison and his character-killing mad ideas, don't they? He ruined Division X for any future writer, you know. It's true.

I'd forgotten how much people hated Beak and all. Best character of the year for comics, excellent design, and those boards...

These are the people who're clogging the tubes. Not the one's looking for Sweeney episodes online, the Dancing with the Stars best-of compilation, or watching streams of barnyard porn and George W Bush remixes, but horrible ecidence-hating paranoiacs on comics message boards.

Thank Heavens John Byrne saved Etrigan and the Doom Patrol! Now, if he could just do the same for Division X, everything'll be fine.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

15:20 / 23.04.07

But he RUINED ZOIDS!!!1!!!23!"!!!!11!!!

Phex: Dorset Doom

15:29 / 23.04.07

And Seaguy.

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

15:37 / 23.04.07

Yeah! That drugged up freak, replaced the classic Chubby Da Choona with a godamn PARROT!!!!!11"£!!!!1!!!

The Falcon

16:58 / 23.04.07

I looked up 'ecidence', actually. I thought it was a real word.

Anyway, I suppose, as a mod I ought to point out to t'other ones that this thread is drifting again. But, while there are a number of interfans who hate George and only really want ratification and consistency and hardline continuity, I do think these tedious swine are outweighed even on the complaining machine hook-ups by pro-George elements.

This Sunday

17:06 / 23.04.07

I wish you'd have found 'ecidence', then I wouldn't have to cop to it being a well...

And I'd like the word. Sounds good: ecidence.

And, yeah, it's drifted too far from shore. However, we can all look back with glee when Chubby and Jason King are shown to be the masterminds behind the Global Hero Club attacks. Just in time for Morrison to ruin the Squire.

Spaniel

17:15 / 23.04.07

I think we need another issue.

Anyone know the shipping date off hand?

Weird shipping dates, actually; 28/2 for the last, then 16/5 for the next and 30/5 for 6 - 6 - 6: 'The Number of the Beast' (actual title.)

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

18:31 / 23.04.07

Yeah, many apologies for Qlipothic Shiny Thing's threadrot. I probably would have resisted if I hadn't figured the thread would be self healing next time a new issue came out.

Anyway, that is odd scheduling - surely issue 666 is going to slip a week. If not it's sure proof that Morrison ruined the release schedule.

FinderWolf

22:44 / 05.05.07

I know Wizard is silly and pretty much always lame, BUT their website does sometimes have good 'scoops' for free, like THIS article on Morrison's Batman of Many Nations' storyline, with Mozzer himself taking us on a guided tour of some of the players [mild spoilers within].

Spaniel

10:52 / 06.05.07

That was absolutely hilarious. I simply cannot wait.

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