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Grant Morrison's Batman

 
  

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krakaboom
21:29 / 03.02.07
BATGRANT

preview for BATMAN 663

..oh......
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
22:30 / 03.02.07
So, uh, they're not doing the whole 'comic book' thing this month. Well, at least it'll take long enough to read for everybody to feel like they got their money's worth.
 
 
Eskay Uno
04:24 / 04.02.07
I'm not really a fan of this kind of thing - s'not propper comics, you know? It's not comics at all, really. Gaiman pulled it off a few times in Sandman IIRC though, so hopefully Grant will impress. I'm all for his wanting to make Joker far more frightening and a true match for someone like Batman. Do you guys think this format was chosen to better serve the story? Guess we'll see...
 
 
Spaniel
06:58 / 04.02.07
It's not monthly comics, it's hardcover annuals from Boboss's youth.

Nostalgia team go!
 
 
sn00p
07:10 / 04.02.07
Wow, i like grant's proses.
Perhaps someday he'll bring out the IF.
And pop magic.


I think we should email him and say "Look, Alan Moore said you're gay 'cos he's brought out a novel and a magic book and you havent" that'd definatly get him to do it.

On a similar note, i had a stroke genius last night. How funny would it be, if at the ABC Comics christmas party someone got Alan drunk, shaved him completely smooth, and then had a video camera set up in the bathroom in the morning.
It'd be YouTube number one, this bald thing jumping about screaming and slapping it's head with finger armour. Brilliant.
 
 
Spaniel
09:24 / 04.02.07
Stone, to expand further. I see it as a celebration of comics, in that it clearly references a format to be found in 80s British hardcover annuals (dunno about the States and elsewhere). It's all about nostalgia.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
09:50 / 04.02.07
Well it might work.

I'm not holding my breath though.
 
 
Spaniel
09:58 / 04.02.07
I'm already sold. I am a man bitch for this stuff.
 
 
Spaniel
10:10 / 04.02.07
I think I'm hardwired to be positive about this run, even when it's not firing on all cylinders, or many cylinders at all, in the case of the last ish. Grant is so clearly trying to give us the joycore celebration of Batman most of us have been waiting years to see, I go in wanting him and willing him to succeed.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
10:55 / 04.02.07
I don't know - I can understand what Mitchell's trying to do to Batman, in terms of making the character interesting again, but I'm not sure if he's committed enough. As with Jeremy Brett playing Sherlock Holmes, I think you sort of have to live it if you're going to write Batman successfully. In the way that Frank Millar did. Or Doug Moench, whose Batman run is often neglected, even though he seemed to be writing it for four or five years, to the point where even though he was a sort of ten joints and a pizza a night man to look at, in his heart, he was out there, fighting crime.

I'd like to see Morrison committt himself to writing Batman and nothing else for the next five years. Then, and only then, there'd be a level of development in terms of the chatacter. As opposed to this nonsense about Ninja Manbats and so on - he'd have to clean up in his own mess. At the moment, this series reads like Towers Of London trashing a hotel room.
 
 
Spaniel
11:00 / 04.02.07
but I'm not sure if he's committed enough

I worry about that too. The last ish was hardly... umm... thorough.
 
 
Spaniel
11:03 / 04.02.07
Out of interest, Americees, do you guys have a history of prose stories in hardback annuals? Do you even have hardback annuals? I know Mr Denny Oh Neil knocked out some bat-prose in a comic, one time, but this seems like a peculiarly British thing for Grigor to have done.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:48 / 04.02.07
most of the book will be trad comic tho, I reckon. i feel that those pages previewed showcase all of the text pages from that issue.

Once we get inside arkham, it'll be panels and baloons again.

i hope.

nothing to hint at this on the credits page however, so I'm probably wrong.

I like gm's prose too.

but i want pop-comics!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:46 / 04.02.07
The last ish was hardly... umm... thorough.

Indeed. It's hard not to wonder if Grant's spending less time on this than he is on ASS, in terms of care and attention.

It's things like the last few issues of Batman that make me feel as if the seven or so years I spent watching Grant's house were somewhat in vain.

Nobody wants to feel like that. As if they've been let down, personally, by somebody they used to admire. As if they were a god.

In the last few months, I have read 'Catcher In The Rye' one hundred times.
 
 
FinderWolf
22:34 / 04.02.07
well, part of the reason I hope it's not all prose is that Van Fleet is an amazing artist and I'd like to see more of his art in this, not just 1 illustration every page or so.
 
 
Triplets
00:06 / 05.02.07
So, is this Greg's answer to Arkham Ass? Only time, and a very serious annotated thread in 7 years time, will tell!

Furrowed brows!
 
 
Cowboy Scientist
02:23 / 05.02.07
LOVED that description of Gotham.
 
 
TimCallahan
03:28 / 05.02.07
Sadly, we Americans have no tradition of hardback annuals or anything like that. No prose stories about superheroes for us.

Grant has said that he's going to stick with Batman for a while, and that he's enjoying it. He has no other huge projects lined up (just a bunch of smaller things at Vertigo), so I think we'll see his dedication to Batman for at least another year or so. Right? Maybe?
 
 
andrewdrilon
06:19 / 05.02.07
I like the bit where he's describing Gotham and he mentions Aparo Bridge, sorta homage to Jim Aparo.

I like Grant's prose too, though I've rarely seen it--"Braille Encyclopedia" and his Disco2000 story spring immediately to mind--but what I like about the preview so far is that the style is markedly different from his other prose stories, prolly deliberately, to channel the spirit of Batman and all, and possibly to be more accessible for the benefit of mainstream Batman readers. I know it's an homage to Denny O'Neil and I'm kinda glad it still reads like Grant wit all the quirkiness.

The preview rocked my socks. Can't wait for Wednesday. I hope it's a GREAT story. If 'Batman and Son' was just warm-up, then this could be the point where Grant's Batman run starts to hit intense high-gear.
 
 
Benny the Ball
07:41 / 05.02.07
there are currently a series of DCU books, prose books, tending to be about three heroes - normally with one big name and two smaller - I flicked through one in a book shop - it wasn't too good to be honest - something about them were just struggling to get across the scope and scale of the universe in the same way that an artist can do. I used to like the odd prose story in annuals, what was the name of the character in Warrior that was all prose - was it Nighthawk or something? That worked quite well. I don't know though, I think comic book writers have trained themselves in a certain way, that doesn't come acorss too well - take Mike Carey's Hellblazeresque books.
 
 
Spaniel
08:09 / 05.02.07
I think you mean Nightraven, Benny. As far as I can remember he starred in comic strips as well as prose. Might be wrong, tho'. I remember liking that strip as a wee 'un.

I know DC and Marvel have put out the odd prose novel starring their respective men in pants, but, as I think you acknowledge, 'snot quite the same as the British annual experience.

Thanks, Tim. It would seem that Grant is taking a peculiarly British convention and trying to sell it to an American audience. I wonder what the motivation was? I'm sure Grant has strong associations with that kind of storytelling, and I'm doubly sure he knows that many Brits out there will too, but he must also know that Americans aren't used to this stuff. In as much as it formally references Denny O'Neil's prose Bats story, I suppose it continues this run's love affair with 70s / early 80s Batman, so that makes sense. Also, it is an interesting thing to do from a creative standpoint, and Groo does love to fanny about with that stuff, so yeah, that fits. I can't help wondering, however, why he chose this story. Maybe, by doing something highly unusual, he felt he was underlining his Joker return story, emphasising it's specialness. Maybe he felt he could cram more story into a prose narrative. Maybe he thought that a picture book - a format traditionally associated with children - was a particularly obscene way to present a character as hellish as the Joker.

Just some thoughts sloshing around in that thing I like to call "Special Brane".
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
08:53 / 05.02.07
Alex, you're kidding, right?

if anything, this is a homage to BRITISH comics, or American comics in Britain; Morrison has written one prose story for Superman, one for Batman and another for Cap. Britain [or Catwoman], if I'm not crazy, at one point of his early carreer. all of which can be read at Dan Fish's secret webplace.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:40 / 05.02.07
Big lot of words hurt brain.

If I want to read a proper book, goddamnit, I'll go to the library!!!!!!!!!

I think this'll be ace.
 
 
Spaniel
14:51 / 05.02.07
If I want to read a proper book, goddamnit, I'll go to the library!!!!!!!!!

Didn't someone actually say that over at Newsarama?

People should stop worrying about all the words and judge the thing on its own merits. It's not like this is going to be a permanent change.

Also, moaning about words = 13 years old
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
12:39 / 13.02.07
from DC's May 07 solicitations:

BATMAN #666
Written by Grant Morrison
Art by Andy Kubert & Jesse Delperdang
Cover by Andy Kubert
Meet Damian Wayne, the Batman of Tomorrow in this special issue set 15 years from now in a nightmarish future Gotham! In a world torn apart by terrorism, plagues, rogue weather and bizarre super-crime, only 24 hours are left before the climactic battle of Armageddon - and only one man who might be able to stop it.
But will he?
The Son of the Bat meets the Prince of Darkness and the stage is set for the ultimate battle between evil and moral ambiguity. Can Damian make peace with his heritage to save the world? Find out in BATMAN #666, "Numbers of the Beast."
On sale May 30 o 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US


COVER HERE
[check the sig]
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
12:43 / 13.02.07
oh, and scroll way down for a toyset based in the first arc.

bit odd faces for Robin and Damian, but anyway...
 
 
FinderWolf
15:29 / 13.02.07
the 'after Grant Morrison' on the cover by Kubert makes me think that Mozzer did a sketch of the cover for Kubert, since I don't know of any Batman image that looks like that that Morrison drew.
 
 
andrewdrilon
12:09 / 14.02.07
Has everyone read it? 663? It's fun! It's like a mindf**k from hell! Loud, glittery, dark and cynical prose--and the best part of all, it encapsulates the Joker-Batman relationship in a single beautiful climactic line, which I'll omit from this message until you guys've read it. Fabulous issue--easily beats out the last 4!
 
 
Spaniel
13:10 / 14.02.07
Got. to. wait. until. tomorrow.
 
 
Triplets
13:12 / 14.02.07
Don't black out, old man!
 
 
Spaniel
14:25 / 14.02.07
Good soldier
 
 
FinderWolf
16:54 / 14.02.07
is the issue all prose then? no regular comics pages to speak of?
 
 
Spaniel
17:14 / 14.02.07
Betcha it is
 
 
andrewdrilon
19:39 / 14.02.07
You might win that bet. Sorta.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
20:01 / 14.02.07
Well, if the issue is all in prose then yeah, Boboss would win that bet.
 
  

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