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All-Star Superman

 
  

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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:05 / 31.05.08
I love Luthor's Lair. I want a lair like that, preferrably with robot armour like that.

I'm wondering if the taxi cab that Lois and Jimmy rode in was meant to look a little bit hazy because it was being worked over by the positronic cannon? There was no visible destruction, just dead space once the cab was gone, but the cab itself had an odd quality to the diginks and colours.
 
 
raggedman
10:40 / 01.06.08
finally caught up (9,10,11 i live nowhere near a comic shop) and too blown away to add anything
except Lex's line about 'the keys to the family car'
i remember from an old interview that a DC exec said similar to Mozza re his chances of writing Superman when he, Waid and others proposed their Superman revamp circa 2000
'Like they'd give you the keys to the family car'

Nice.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
23:43 / 01.06.08
given its great success, ASS' white costume - sans helmet - is to be adopted in all regular Superman titles as the official uniform, effective today. licensing and merch departments already briefed.

yours truly,

Paul Levitz
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:25 / 02.06.08
I have to reread #10, but it occurs to me that Superman may also have grasped Solaris's future position due to the message sent backward in time from the 24th Century by Regan's descendant. Just a thought.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:42 / 03.06.08
"GGT," sputters Lex while deflecting one bullet with his teeth (!) and smashing another with the palm of his hand. That's probably one of my absolute favour panels in this entire series. Then Lex stepping across a molten door, lit up from behind by the flaming skeletons of his "executioners" -- the raised fist adulation of other Death Row inmates. Just a little reminder of the new blueprint for society that Lex boasted about back in Five.

Nasthalthia just hangin', house-sittin' for her old uncle Lexie, a trashy bachelor's apartment under the streets. The detailing for the lair's wardrobe choices strewn along the walls! The plastic-ring-belted yellow number, pantsless with a built in bubble-helmet next to an old Kryptonite robot, its radiations presumably already dead.

Exo-gene-enhanced individuals do not seem to be susceptible to Kryptonite (Lexie has a ton of it just lying 'round his lair) or red sunlight. What would happen if Clark consumed exo-gene potion? Would it, I don't know, do away with his weaknesses? Would it cure his illness?

Love the casual examination Lexie gives the broken door-hinge of his lair with X-Ray vision. Quitely's firing all kinds of mad off-hand images at us this time 'round.

Sparky, faux-Flash multi-image Lexie running 'round, building Death-bots for Nasthalthia march over Metropolis with. I love that panel -- "Don't just stand there like a statue! Observe!" Poor Lex, he's having unrecognized difficulty dealing with fresh super-powers. She isn't standing still, darling. You're moving too fast.

"So how cool am I?" God, does he need validation! Basically, stop looking at Superman and tell me how great I am. Nasty, she knows what he wants: "You wouldn't believe how many people really hate him. All that goody, goody-goody sentimental crap." Lex and Nasty prefer to read All-Star Batman, after all.

"Time to get changed." Both Men of Steel have to put on new outfits to reflect their current status. Lex dresses to impress, to be a gleaming green-and-purple bridegroom while Clark pulls on his Battle of the Planets white bridal gear. "I've been planning my wedding day," says Nasty. "I'll be standing on an asteroid hurtling towards Earth with my undead groom...we'll exchange vows, commit suicide, and bring about mass species extinction at the same time." Nasty likes to multi-task.

Nasty sounds like a nihilistic doppleganger of a Charles Stross post-singularity character, but that's neither here nor there.

One robot left to guard the fortress and await mankind's elevation to Kryptonian-status, at which point they can open the vault -- who else is guessing that Lex follows Bar-El and Lilo's lead, zooming to the Antarctic to take a look around his hopefully future palace? I love the detail of all those footprints in the snow as the robots gather about their beloved maker.

Solaris totally narrows hir eye at the Man of Steel, as if to say, "Bite me."

Robot 7! He loved you anyway!

Why exactly do Jimmy and Lois need to get to Stryker's Island? "...you two are so post-mortem..." My god, I really want Nasthalthia to be brought over to the mainstream, at least for a story or two. She's brilliant! Like a better developed version of Toon-Legion's Alexis Luthor. Jimmy Olsen's Catwoman! "Get my good side, that's all...or I'll find your house and disintegrate you and your pets." She deserves her own spin-off.

Love the detail of the nuclear surgery Clark conducts on Solaris. The blast is beautiful. Also: everybody in Metropolis has a satellite dish.

Superman's Eye view of Metropolis.

As if to discredit Tarantino's ridiculous Superman monologue from Kill Bill 2, Superman's last act is all about filing the story as Clark Kent.

Next issue? Does Lois Lane follow Jimmy's lead by downing some Doomsday potion to smack around Lex? Do the Daily Planet staff save the world, inspired by their fallen hero? Will Clark wake up enough for he and Lois to finally talk about how they feel? Aah!
 
 
Bastard Tweed
17:24 / 12.06.08
I'm sorry, I wound up hate-fucking the fast-forward button through so much of that movie (and I only got my hands on #11 yesterday). What was Tarantino's ridiculous Superman monologue?
 
 
Aertho
18:17 / 12.06.08
It was basically how Clark Kent is really just Superman's "Human Costume", and that he is really Superman underneath it all.

That's not true at all, of course. Kal is all heart, all the time.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:57 / 12.06.08
Exactly. Only written with Tarantino's snide dialogue (well, him parodying himself at that point) and delivered awkwardly by David Carradine.

I love, by the way, Nasthalthia's toadying to Lex in his lair, "Oh, you'd be surprised how many people hate him! All the sentimental goody, goody-goody crap!" Felt like such a nasty little meta-commentary, Lex Luthor (with his "goddamned retards" knuckle-dragging) standing in for the bitter, angry Frank Millers of the world.
 
 
Triplets
22:14 / 12.06.08
You might be reaching with that last bit, Papes
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:48 / 12.06.08
Maybe, maybe. I don't know. It felt meta to me when I read it the first time, particularly with all the Luthor grunting.
 
 
garyancheta
00:10 / 13.06.08
Some thoughts about the David Carridine speech in Kill Bill Vol 2:

Of course "Bill" would think that Superman uses Clark Kent as a costume. Bill has no regard for people, and he thinks that he is superior to others. That's the "pimp" way of talking, and that's how he's treated everyone around him in the past...only a select few are extraordinary and everyone else is lesser.

It is easy to see Superman in that role. But, of course, this is sort of how Lex Luthor never realizes that Clark Kent is Superman because he doesn't believe that Superman would ever want to act so mild and mannered.

Never trust a monologue given by a villain. It usually means the opposite of how things should be.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
00:28 / 13.06.08
except T4r4nt1n0 makes almost all his characters spill out his own comicstore\videostore nerd-talk.

i wanted to slit my own ears out by the end of KILL BILL 2
 
 
hachiman
10:23 / 14.06.08
I just went thru the previews and it hit me this is the 2nd last issue.
Man, what am i gonna use to remind myself why comics rock, especially when the next All Star Retard issue hits the stands.
 
 
The Natural Way
10:57 / 14.06.08
Mate, can you give it a rest with the word 'retard', alright? Some people here actually have mentally disabled people they're close to.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:30 / 14.06.08
Sorry about that, Natural. I'll refrain from quoting the Luthor.
 
 
The Falcon
21:26 / 14.06.08
Not you, Papers - the Shinto god of War there, quoting no-one.
 
 
Triplets
00:57 / 20.06.08
I've been re-reading this thread from about page 30 and something's just hit.

Wild theory time: Batman's been referenced a few times in the series and things referenced since the beginning keep resurfacing later on (Robot 7's malfunction, the Sun-Eater, etc). The second time Batman is referenced it's that he posed as Clark at one point.

In #11 he's then mentioned at the beginning, "these people I've met. What a life!". At the end of the issue, after Solaris is defeated (more gushing about #11 tomorrow actually) we see Superman fly off. Now, the next scene is Clark huffing and puffing into the offices of the Planet but don't actually see him change into Clark's clothes.

What if it's Batman posing as Clark?

"Are you kidding? He looks buff!" So does hunky Batman, after all.

Clark knows he's going to die, he's read and then written an article about the circumstances of his death a day in advance. We've been introduced to the concept of a timeloop early on in the series with a) the riddle of the Ultra-Sphinx and b) The Unknown Superman of Kansas. Clark knows how his supposed 'last day' is going to turn out, so he plans and prepares, and gets his world's finest pal to help out while he prepares for his superfite! with Sexy Lexie.

Probably all bollocks (possibly not foreshadowed enough, goes against the sealed cast of the series, etc) but could be an unexpected twist.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:43 / 20.06.08
What if it's Batman posing as Clark? "Are you kidding? He looks buff!" So does hunky Batman, after all.

Batman's absence is palpable -- he's only been mentioned twice, along with one "cameo" as a chessboard figure in the fortress, and the reference to Bizarro-Batman. It may not feel like it's been foreshadowed enough, but it would be fun, particularly in light of Superman's appearance in ASS-Bats.

Their first Silver Age meeting was told in a World's Finest, I think, that got reprinted in the Greatest Batman Stories Ever Told -- and yes, it involved them switching identities so that "Superman" could survive a Kryptonite paintgun.

Will they do it? I have no idea. It would certainly be a sweet little curveball, though, given we were all expected Solaris to hold off for the last second...

(Although I'm still really hoping for that Kara Zor-El appearance right at the end, maybe with her meeting Nasthalthia for the first time)
 
 
Triplets
20:14 / 21.06.08
Batman's absence is palpable

Exactly, he's leather-daddy elephant in the room...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:31 / 21.06.08
I'm actually surprised that Clark hasn't considered giving Bruce the exo-gene solution, to be honest.

Who knows, maybe it'll all end with Lex singing, "How could I have been so wrong / it was Batman all along..."
 
 
Triplets
19:36 / 22.06.08
"You've finally made a monkey out of me (, Leopold)..."

If Grant does continue ASS with or without Quitely I'd love to see an issue where Kal gives Bruce his special birthday gift. And a vial of 24-Hour serum, obviously.

Post inspired this over on that other site
 
 
Triplets
10:49 / 08.07.08
43 days. I feel like All-Star Moses.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
13:43 / 08.07.08
That sound? Not the kettle. You're hearing my brain start to rev up.
 
 
Triplets
13:12 / 14.07.08
Rereading the Bizarro issues one thing that's struck me is the beautiful understatement of Zibarro. He's a powerless Superman on a super-gravity predator world. His costume is Superman's, made out of the patchwork of Clark Kent's. He's a total inversion. Zibarro spends his days writing about his homeworld, effectively reporting on in through the medium of poetry. Instead of Superman interacting with the larger world with his strength and powers, Zibarro writes about it in a reflection of Clark.

Extrapolating further one can imagine Zibarro spends the rest of his day in the Bizarrely Planet office dressed in a shirt and tie made from Superman's costume, filling the hours by benchpressing desks and smashing through cubicle walls...

Also love the issue for the gorgeous colours of which nearly all come from Superman. He's usually the brightest thing on every page. The drab halfscapes of Bizarro-Home really make Superman jump out at the reader.

Am happy we not wait long for first issue!
 
 
iamus
20:01 / 24.07.08
Right.

I've tried to shy away from this thread since I got involved, in my own minor way, with this comic because it's very easy for me to make myself sound like a twat. That's been kind of torture, because I've loved reading it and I've loved talking about it here and I wish I could have gotten more involved with the beautiful, crazy theorising.

Final, incredible, pencils have been finished for a day or two now. Jamie's running his own brand of super colour magic to finish up.

I think I'll need to talk about my own experience with the thing once it's out, but suffice to say, for a comic that's narrated an incredible change in my life, the last issue played me right into its hands.

I really can't wait for the discussion here with all my favourite comic peeps.

This has been beyond fun.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:31 / 24.07.08
Sounds good! Drooling increasing for the final (snif) issue...
 
 
Essential Dazzler
20:53 / 24.07.08
You know, I'll be really sad to see it go, to be perfectly honest. the first issue pretty much the same tame I started uni so it's been with me through some weird times. Do you think DC would hold off and publish it next July so's I can read it on Graduation day?

For the Symbolism, Y'know?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:23 / 25.07.08
Or we could just stretch out the discussion to last for an entire year.
 
 
iamus
09:24 / 25.07.08
There's gonna be a big meaty collected edition, eh?

You never know your luck.
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:54 / 25.07.08
I would be shocked, appalled, and utterly unsurprised if we get an Absolute All-Star Superman collecting all twelve.

I don't buy Absolute versions normally (well, except for my Absolute Watchmen...and that Absolute Planetary I brought right at the start of those monsters coming out) but Quitely's gorgeous art has threatened to disintegrate me and my pets if I don't get AASS.

And no tarantulas are getting vaped on my watch. Not again!
 
 
Triplets
19:16 / 26.07.08
Tarantulas? You're a monster, Evil Wristwatch. A stone-cold monster.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:18 / 26.07.08
Clearly got some Luthor blood flowing. Will you be wedding Nasthalthia upon that lonesome asteroid as it crashes toward Earth, Wristwatch?
 
 
Evil Scientist
06:52 / 27.07.08
Tis only the restraining order and a positron cannon keeping me away.
 
 
Jamie Grant
14:19 / 03.08.08
Barring the odd correction and one entire page redraw the pencils are done(ish). Colours have a few days yet 'til (drop)deadline. There's several days slip build in for pick ups and it's goes to print. After that... Well.. You'll just have to see...
 
 
FinderWolf
23:32 / 03.08.08
Most excellent; thanks for the heads-up, J.
 
  

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