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20:18 / 14.10.06

Oh man.

That desk sculpture is fucking priceless.

20:51 / 14.10.06

I know I should recognize it, but I don't.

21:39 / 14.10.06

Looks like a an old phallocrypt, otherwise known as a penis sheath. Oh, that Lex.

The flames are hiding spoilers of whoever it is falling on that cover.

22:16 / 14.10.06

Most likely, it's his Infinity Inc. hereoes. He either has what he needs, or is terminating the project. With prejudice.

11:46 / 15.10.06

Okay, bear with me here. I've got a cold and have been working solo in the lab all weekend so my neurological processes are a little screwy. This theory may have been mentioned before (in which case it's where the idea sprang from).

The Evil Scientist "Origin of Supernova Theory of Massed Speculation and Zero Evidence".

Supernova is actually Booster Gold. As in the one we've been seeing flying around the place in 52, recently burnt to a radioactive skeleton.

From what Skeets said, Booster didn't tell him what he'd seen in Hunter's lab. Which leads me to believe that Booster twigged right from the outset what Hunter meant with the "It's all his fault!" scribbling. Skeets now realises this, hence "He knows.".

Now it gets a little Bill and Ted here, but stay with me.

It occurs to me that everything that Supernova has done so far could quite easily be replicated by Booster as long as he had access to some kind of time-travel device. He's not disintegrating things or teleporting them, he's simply moving them through time (in the case of sea monsters and LexCorp satellites probably just leaving them in place whilst the planet moves ahead twenty seconds in a Strontium Dog time-bomb kind of way).

Booster may well have been left some kind of time-machine (I'm thinking time-gauntlets) by Hunter in order to stop Skeets. Or he's working in tandem with Hunter who's using his time bubble to do all the heavy lifting.

Alternatively (and more likely given the conversation the two had) he may pick up time technology when he (or rather the future version of himself) shunts him into the future/past and replaces him with a charred corpse in a Booster suit.

All Booster/Supernova does then is drop back into the past and ensure that during the scuffle by the sub he says the right things to goad his past self into going skywards with the sub and time-jump his past self away. Leaving Supernova free to defend Metropolis and get ready to deal with Skeets.

Of course if that's true then why not just take Skeets out now?

Also, has it been addressed where Skeets came back into continuity from? As I understand it the last we see of Booster in 8C he's walking away from Fire's hospital bed hinting he's going back to the fuuuuture. Then he turns up with Skeets in 52.

Whadupwidat?

rabideyemovement

16:34 / 15.10.06

I think Skeets sent Carter to the future to become Booster Gold, but that he might escape that time loop and return as Rip Hunter.

Remember a JSA story over a year ago where they fought Per Degaton alongside a displaced Hunter? Rip mentioned that Rip Hunter was not his real name and that he had a cousin named Dan...

Rip Hunter is Booster Gold's 21st century cousin.

rabideyemovement

16:42 / 15.10.06

Or he could even be both Hunter and Supernova. That would be some heavy writing!

Phex: Dorset Doom

17:52 / 15.10.06

Also, has it been addressed where Skeets came back into continuity from? As I understand it the last we see of Booster in 8C he's walking away from Fire's hospital bed hinting he's going back to the fuuuuture. Then he turns up with Skeets in 52.

Whadupwidat?

I thought he did go back to the future after leaving Fire's hospital. Presumably his time in the 20th century left a mark on history, even a small one, so when Booster grows up in the 25th century he is aware that he and Skeets have to go back to the 20th century but, seeing as the mark on history has already been made, the Booster-who-is-aware-that-he-will-become-Booster-Gold (BWIATHWBBG for convinience) skips going back to the eighties or whenever and being in the JLA/JLI/JLE and instead goes back to somewhere where he's needed- bringing the new Blue Beetle into play so Batman and co can destroy Brother Eye (he says as much in IC). After that he's stranded in the 21st century, may as well become a celebrity and the rest as they say... is history!

19:53 / 15.10.06

Skeets' timeline is weird.

25th century -> JLI -> Extreme Justice -> Booster's suit.

At some point, he disappears, and ends up part of Beetle's goggles, which are destroyed. After the whole mess with Max Lord, Booster goes "home".

Booster comes back for 8C, with Skeets in tow. But where this Skeets comes from is unrevealed, tho why he's evil is probably related. Is he a new Skeets? Is the Booster who came back the one who went home?

And how do Rip Hunter and Supernova relate to it all?

rabideyemovement

20:45 / 15.10.06

Maybe the PreCrisis Booster went to the future to become Rip Hunter... while a Post Crisis Daniel Carter was sent forward only to come back earlier than he left and get roasted by a nuclear explosion.
DiDio has said that that was truly the death of Booster Gold the character, but not the end of Carter's story.

I'm really trying to think not think of Skeets as being evil. I curious as to his motive. Maybe Skeets sent Daniel Carter forward to replace Michael Jon in death?
Well, that would still be pretty evil, I guess.

BrianFitzgerald

21:09 / 15.10.06

I apologize if this has been addressed earlier in this thread, but what is the story with that gauntlet that Supernova broke into (?)the Batcave to frown at?

Looking at that smooth head and the glowing golden eyes made me think of the treatment of Amazo in the Justice League TV series. Is Supernova a robot (from the future...the "real/good" Skeets)?

We're starting to get to the point in the plot where things are getting interesting. We know the heroes are in the initial stages of a war with the machines, but on how many fronts across space and time? What the hell is Lobo going to meet (Cosmic sheeda swarm?), and how close is it to earth (or Oa or Rann, or New Genesis, etc.)? What exactly is Luthor going to do with Steel's niece, and how will he and (so far) the Teen Titans respond? "Stay tuned next week for another thrilling chapter of 52!"

Sure there've been some low points, but as we're closing in on the halfway point, I have to say it has been a real treat to read this series so far.

And does anyone else think that Black Adam has now given magic godpowers to two Intergang rats?

06:59 / 16.10.06

I apologize if this has been addressed earlier in this thread, but what is the story with that gauntlet that Supernova broke into (?)the Batcave to frown at?

I think someone mentioned upthread that it was a guantlet from Lex's power armour with cool multi-coloured kryptonite bling (which presumably knocks out any possibility of him being Kon-el who, as I understand, was vulnerable to K-radiation as his Kryptonian powers developed).

We know the heroes are in the initial stages of a war with the machines

Umm, we do? I take it this is info from beyond Week 23?

Cosmic sheeda swarm?

Yeah I was wondering if Lady Styx and her Stygian Passover are some remnant of the Sheeda civilisation come back to escape whatever happens to them at the end of 7SoV.

And does anyone else think that Black Adam has now given magic godpowers to two Intergang rats?

Well, I keep thinking back to something mention in this post over in the 8C thread and shivering. (POTENTIAL SPOILERS LURK BEHIND THIS INNOCENT LINK).

BrianFitzgerald

19:11 / 16.10.06

Re: initial stages of war with the machines - No, this isn't based on any spoiler info, just speculation on my part. Sorry for sounding overly certain.

The repeated references to Morrow giving souls to machines, the secret island of brilliant scientists, somebody (Booster, Rip Hunter) figuring out that Skeets is at "fault," Skeets's reaction to the realization that "He knows," the Metal Men and Red Tornado stuff...all of this makes me think that AI/machines (from the future, or at least using time travel) are already making their moves for domination/conquest/liberation. Isn't that what always happens in robot stories?

20:52 / 16.10.06

And there have been hints of a "World War III".

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

00:08 / 17.10.06

Think they'd pull an Invasion from the Future so soon after Seven Soldiers? Mind you, Mozzer's on both so there might be some bleed-over.

01:30 / 17.10.06

btw, how is this series being collected in Big Boy book format?

14:03 / 17.10.06

Triplets -- no announcement re: collection has been made, except that it won't even start until the whole series is published.

21:05 / 18.10.06

how is this series being collected in Big Boy book format?

I seem to recall DC making an announcement that 52 would NOT be collected at all...

23:49 / 18.10.06

No, rubbish, sorry. They're not collecting it 'til it's finished, presumably to encourage compulsive buyers like myself to go to the shop weekly. I'd imagine it'll be four trades of 13 issues, but I may just be making this up.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

16:22 / 19.10.06

Spoilers?

Shit, Skeets really is an evil little monster, isn't he?

Well, anyway, I like this JLA. "Who is this? Supes, is that you? Bats? Whoever it is, I'm glad to hear from y--" I would read about this JLA regularly. Too bad about Super-Chief being sacrificed to help some white guy along on his mystic journey.

I'm confused: was Firestorm merged with Danette "Firebrand" Reilly or Lorraine "Firehawk" Reilly before? And does this characterization strike anyone as out of character for Firehawk? I don't know much about her, but it felt a bit tacked on to make her the bitchy glory-hound.

Ambush Bug picks up from where Animal Man left off, in terms of vaguely referencing fourth-wall breaking and outdoes Buddy by acknowledging things. "Fifty-Two." Alix! Pity she doesn't actually say anything.

Too bad I don't really care about Atom-Smasher and the new Suicide Squad, but it's nice to see Amanda Waller.

rabideyemovement

02:54 / 20.10.06

I'd been wondering how Atom Smasher was faring in prison. I like that character.

I'm loving the Black Marvel Family, but I don't trust this Osiris kid. He seems like a bit of a sneak, and I'm sure Adam will come to regret sharing his power with him.

15:28 / 20.10.06

I want Super-Chief to make a dramatic return! Hopefully he's not gone for good.

17:21 / 20.10.06

Super Chief is clearly the best thing about this book.

Phex: Dorset Doom

19:58 / 20.10.06

Ahem, I think you'll find that there was a TORNADO NINJA in the book. He's like Red Tornado and Batman all at once. Clearly the character find of the millenium so far.
TORNADO NINJA!

Favorite quote of the week: Alix: 'Well?'

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

20:03 / 26.10.06

'Nother Seventh Soldier sighting. Klarion, darlings, Klarion. In cameo, as a flashback while Fate continues to be a jackass to Ralph Dibny.

Felix Faust as magic-addicted soul-whore. Wow, it's like a bad rip-off of "addict Willow" from Buffy, and that was half-baked to begin with. Apparently the Tenth Age of Magic is to be characterized by bitchy mystics being judgmental and pronouncing things...wait, doesn't that sound suspiciously like the Ninth Age of Magic?

Best thing about this issue, frankly, was the cover.

20:07 / 26.10.06

I dunno. "Happy Halloween, Judeo-Christians!" was kinda cute.

20:36 / 26.10.06

Faust has always been kinda crackpotty magickjunkie soulwhore, though, hasn't he? When he's actually magic, I mean, and not just nuts and in Arkham. Dude does the craziest melodramatic things to get a stupid spell to work, and all. Other people wait to sacrifice anything at all until it's practically the greatest spell working on the planet... Felix would cut a hand off (of himself) to get a Slushie through magick, rather than just pay the buck fifteen and hold a cup under a dispeser.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

20:38 / 26.10.06

True, I just found the *tone* of the description to be a little ... um ... goth? "Mature readers label?" "Verging on bad Vertigo terrain?" I like *your* description much better, Des.

22:56 / 26.10.06

I liked this issue... Faust aside we get to see the ah egg-head behind oolong island. Plus the subtle effects of DARK SIDE after his confrontation with MM some 26 weeks earlier.

03:24 / 27.10.06

Also, I think the helmet may well be lying about at least part of what he tells Ralph about Faust. See my 52 blog for details...

Phex: Dorset Doom

08:20 / 27.10.06

'Nother Seventh Soldier sighting. Klarion, darlings, Klarion. In cameo

So Faust tried to sell his soul to Klarion? Bwah? What does a) Faust think Klarion needs a spare, slightly worn down soul for and b) Faust want in exchange? Teekl?

08:24 / 27.10.06

7 Soldiers #1 answers that question.

11:51 / 27.10.06

Anyone else think Supernova is Ted Kord and subsequently the new booster gold?

12:45 / 27.10.06

Anyone else think Supernova is Ted Kord

Padding out the cowl with a few hankies or something?

Could be though. He knew where the Batcave was (I presume).

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

04:46 / 28.10.06

If he ends up picking up 25th Century technology - as an inversion of Booster 1 - Ted could probably have his body tailored to a more athletic mode. And, hey, when one is dead there's not much to do besides go to the gym.

Still, I'm finding Supernova a little bland...

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