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Mark Parsons
00:37 / 18.01.07
Have you seen the decoded "secret meaning" to the DC Nation column in the back of the book?

It seems to tie directly into the Yellow Aliens from ANIMAL MAN by GM.

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"THE SECRET OF FIFTY TWO IS THAT THE MULTIVERSE STILL EXISTS"


First letter of every third word (somebody over on "Newsarama" figured it out).

So having established that, what does this mean RE the Yellow Fellows? I read the trades again ages ago and cannot formulate a thought (not unusual for me: my comic memory is permanently full to overflow). Anybody care to theorize? Maybe the DCU will become aware that it is fictional and therefore become "alive" as GM mentioned years ago.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
03:10 / 18.01.07
Hmm...Yellow dudes did show up around the same time as the Psycho Pirate episode of animal man...and i seem to remember that the yellow aliens knew about the first crisis.

the last panel was awesome this week
 
 
Mark Parsons
05:40 / 18.01.07
I think they also knew that Buddy et alia wer fictional, or were tied to GM's appearance as the Deus ex Machina.

I think that their arrival heralds come very Morissionian twist to come vis a vis "reality."

What an awesome way to kick off the third "act."

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(I even welcomed Booster's re-emergence, having formerly not given much of a crap that he had died).
 
 
FinderWolf
13:25 / 19.01.07
>> (I even welcomed Booster's re-emergence, having formerly not given much of a crap that he had died).

Seconded.

So glad to see that Buddy's still alive, esp. since his 'death' scene was rather lame and anticlimactic.
 
 
rabideyemovement
14:46 / 19.01.07
Alright, I have the complete run of the Vertigo Animal Man, but it's buried in boxes right now. Can someone refresh my memory as to the identity of the yellow aliens?
Are those the same aliens who originally powered him?
 
 
Mario
14:59 / 19.01.07
Yes.
 
 
Spaniel
19:28 / 19.01.07
Fucking knew that guy was Booster Gold, just didn't know how to make sense of it.
 
 
TimCallahan
19:33 / 19.01.07
The yellow aliens are the same aliens who originally powered him (according to Morrisonian continuity), and they also "recreated" him and "revised" his origin via postmodern fashion. They are emmissaries from the Implicate Order of the writer (aka Grant Morrison) in the Animal Man series.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
19:38 / 19.01.07
You forgot to mention that they're awesome, too.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
19:41 / 19.01.07
I think that's just understood.
 
 
Mr Tricks
19:48 / 19.01.07
ironic. I only just finished re-reading the animal man run in the space between 52 36 & 37.

GM "repurposed" them to make them useful...

They seem to be aware of the different stratas of continuity. fiction suits for the 7 unknown men or sentient fingers for those "giant hands."

Either way, this is like Buddy's 4 or 5th death now? wonder if he'll develop Phoenix powers. Or already has.
 
 
Triplets
20:42 / 19.01.07
Well, that's the joke of it all. All fictional characters have teh Phoenix powers. Some are just more aware of it than others.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:34 / 20.01.07
Interesting tidbit from J.G. Jones covers blog over at wizarduniverse -

>> Supernova's identity is the one thing we've been really careful about all along. I don't recall giving any hints as to his identity on any of the previous covers. The possible hint could be on cover 15, where Booster dies. The reflection of Supernova in Booster's goggles becomes a reflection of who he is. Not that many people would figure it out just from that obtuse clue.
 
 
Twig the Wonder Kid
14:20 / 26.01.07

In case anyone missed it, the first 52 trade has been solicited:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Aprl07/solicitations.html

It looks like it's going to be collected in 4x13 part volumes. Nice.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
14:40 / 26.01.07
So, the mad scientists are back, which is nice, and they've created vessels for the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, which is nicer.

However, the meat of this week's issue was Montoya dragging Charlie's dying carcass to Nanda Parbat, and it was a snoozer of epic proportions. Couldn't they have condensed all that nonsense into two pages and given us more Magnus or something? That whole sequence lacked any emotional impact for me, and it seemed to be the same thing repeated over and over again: The natives not helping Montoya (she doesn't speak their language and she's dragging someone with a mysterious illness- would you want to get within a hundred yards?) followed by her dragging Charlie's sled. How did she know which way to go if no one would give her directions? I know some people dig it, but this has to be the most tedious plot thread in the series, for me.
 
 
BrianFitzgerald
15:25 / 26.01.07
I agree with you 100% regarding the Montoya/Charlie journey, Jake. I guess the idea was to make the trip as tedious and lengthy for the reader as it was for Renee?

I did really enjoy the Magnus stuff. Especially the tie-in with the Booster Gold/Rip Hunter plot. And I'm curious to know why the first words of the evil gods were "Black Adam."
 
 
FinderWolf
16:34 / 26.01.07
[mild spoiler, I guess....?]



as far as why the 3 Horsemen said 'Black Adam'.....




I read somewhere online that they are building the Horsemen to stop Black Adam and his royal new Marvel Family from exerting too much influence over society/the human race...maybe some shadowy gov't types hired and are funding The Island Of Mad Scientists to stop the threat they perceve from Black Adam & Co.?
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
17:12 / 26.01.07
So, the 4th Horseman = Skeets?
 
 
Sniv
17:45 / 26.01.07
With regards to black adam, he threw out a bunch of Intergang types from Khandaq near the start of the series, so it makes sense that they're after him and his country.

I didn't really mind the Montoya/sled scenes, it made sense to make the arduous journey a visible event, as quite a lot of between-bits are glossed over in the transitions between weeks, it would have been daft to have them just turn up in Nanda Parbat in week 40-ish, with Montoya saying "Whew, that was hard", without seeing any of the hard work it took to get there. Although, yes, there could have been perhaps 2 or three pages cut out without much hassle. The art in the issue was pretty good as well, and the big splash page of the mountains was very nice so it wasn't entirely wasted.
 
 
Loud Detective
18:01 / 26.01.07
I guess, according to Michael Siglain, these were Charlie's last words, and that was him dying this issue, which would be too bad if it were true. I think a Montoya/Question duo is a lot more interesting than Montoya as the Question. Since Animal Man came back, though, I have a little hope for Charlie...
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
18:46 / 26.01.07
The Newsarama posters seem to suspect Sobek is the fourth horseman. My inital thought was Lady Styx, but now that I think about it, if the scientists created a vessel for the for the missing horseman, like they did for the others, Skeets would be the option that makes the most sense...
 
 
Mario
19:17 / 26.01.07
The part that still makes me wonder...

Why did Vic Sage suddenly decide to use the name Charlie?
 
 
BrianFitzgerald
20:34 / 26.01.07
Since Animal Man came back, though, I have a little hope for Charlie...

Plus, doesn't that look like Accomplished Perfect Physician, who can whistle away tumors, walking through the snow toward Renee and Charlie at the end? My money's on a happy ending for The Question(s).
 
 
rabideyemovement
20:44 / 26.01.07
The Question's name is Charles Victor Szasz...
Hence Charlie/Vic Sage.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:52 / 26.01.07
and he's the third cousin to the obscure Batman villain Zsasz, right? (just kidding)
 
 
Mario
21:36 / 26.01.07
Right... but he NEVER used his first name. It was always "Vic".
 
 
BrianFitzgerald
23:41 / 26.01.07
Damn, it's not Accomplished Perfect Physician. According to the interview at Newsarama with 52 editor Michael Siglain, that's Richard Dragon walking out to Renee and The Question.

Good bit from that interview:
NRAMA: Will Magnus - off his meds - is disturbing. What's he like without his anti-depressants compared to being with them?

MS: Magnus off his meds is like Grant Morrison on a Tuesday: ahead-of-his-time-brilliant and mad as a hatter. We haven't seen the full extent of Magnus's crazed genius. Or Grant’s.

Also wanted to state for the record that I thought the blood being coughed up and spreading all over the inside of The Question mask was powerfully disturbing.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:53 / 27.01.07
>> Also wanted to state for the record that I thought the blood being coughed up and spreading all over the inside of The Question mask was powerfully disturbing.

Ditto.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
01:10 / 28.01.07
I guess, according to Michael Siglain, these were Charlie's last words, and that was him dying this issue, which would be too bad if it were true. I think a Montoya/Question duo is a lot more interesting than Montoya as the Question. Since Animal Man came back, though, I have a little hope for Charlie...

That was a powerful and fantastic death scene. I sincerely hope that it remains as such.

And yeah, the blood mask was really powerful, as was the entirety of the issue. You really felt the TIME and how powerful it was. Just DAYS of trekking through the mountains. The harshness really came across.
 
 
Rachel Melmoth
02:43 / 28.01.07
In a lot of ways, I thought Charlie and Renee's plot this week felt like the first time the idea of the comic working in realtime really lived up to its potential -- their trek felt like an interval of time; a week's worth of struggle above and beyond just being the latest 23 page increment of the story.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:02 / 28.01.07
Isn't it odd, though, that whether Charlie was truly dead by issue's end was unclear from an actual read of the comic book, and we had to go to a Newsarama interview with the editor of the book to find out that yes, he's really really dead now, not just 90% hovering on the brink of death...?
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
15:42 / 28.01.07
I thought Charlie and Renee's plot this week felt like the first time the idea of the comic working in realtime really lived up to its potential -- their trek felt like an interval of time; a week's worth of struggle above and beyond just being the latest 23 page increment of the story.

Yes, they certainly succeeded in making me feel the tedium.

I'm glad some people liked it, but I kept turning the page and thinking "Jesus Christ, more of this shit? I wonder what [Black Adam/Buddy/Booster/Lobo]'s up to?" I wish they'd start tying some of these plot threads together.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
16:24 / 28.01.07
Isn't it odd, though, that whether Charlie was truly dead by issue's end was unclear from an actual read of the comic book, and we had to go to a Newsarama interview with the editor of the book to find out that yes, he's really really dead now, not just 90% hovering on the brink of death...?

Indeed. My question is, do we blame the writer or the artist on this one? I mean, this is the third time an issue of 52 that has ended with the Question hovering on the verge of death. I wished they’d just make it clear for once.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
16:38 / 28.01.07
It baffles me that it's unclear to people that Chuckles died this week. If you've been following the progression of his condition into pain and delerium, all of a sudden he's lucid and then quiet (which he hadn't been for pretty much even a panel since he went delerious.

Anyway. I certainly didn't need to get an editor's clarification. The pacing and the structure of the last four weeks made it abundantly clear.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:06 / 28.01.07
I think the important thing is that now we know he's dead, we can mourn the tragic, permanent and powerful end of The Question, a fallen hero who fell in the line of duty, and we can grieve for him, safe in the knowledge he has passed on to a more peaceful place, never to return.

Much like Booster Gold and Animal Man.
 
  

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