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Alex's Grandma
19:43 / 14.12.06
I suppose it's a kind of chicken, egg, fried egg, type situation really, B the B.

Which came first? To plagarise Terry McKenna, if the egg hadn't been at least mildly cooked, how would it have come to an understanding of the existence of the hen?

It would just have sort of sat there, you know? Being boiled. It would never have realised it's potential.

Think on.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:32 / 15.12.06
So, the origin actually did a cool thing this time. It made me interested in someone I don't know about. How is the new Blue Beetle series? Is anyone around here reading it? Cully Hamner is slick, and I still enjoy his work on those Authority short stories from the "Earth Inferno" collection. I also picked up the first couple issues of Firestorm after Jason showed up with the "new" JLA, and while I quite enjoyed the character and the art, plot-wise felt the comic started off with too much of a "decompressed" vibe that left me feeling like nothing happened each issue.

Are people picking up new books like that, because of 52, specifically? I keep fantasizing about new series spinning off that would actually satisfy me with their playing with the concepts and some focus, but I'm not sure what else I've picked up because of this series.

With regard to that actual issue - as usual, great cover and a comic that sort of falls flat. They make reference to the 9999 steps that Ralph has to go up to see Rama Kushna, only then he's just suddenly there and it seems like he was at a doctor's office and he had to wait a long time to go in but then it was just "Go right in and the doctor will be with you in a moment." There was no journey. You could argue that stopping the yeti proved his worth but ... uh. No, no, it was kind of shit, actually, Ralph just hopped onto his back and that was that. There was never any real sense that anything was at stake. The suddenly human yeti makes reference to terrible things behind his rampage but that was it. It wasn't 9999 stairs, it was three pages of dull, listless "action." If that was all that was required we'd all be seeing God *all the time*. And then Ralph meets God(dess) and Boston Brand is mentioned but only in passing, and it sort of fizzles. Ralph feels as though he's become this bland adventurer on a quest with no real personality outside that. His detective work is laughable and I wish they had someone better suited to it writing his arc -- he just knows things, there's never any sense of legwork. He's not J'onn J'onzz and we even see Batman occasionally have to work something out. Why not Ralph?

It's like he's trying to get his groove back - ain't no way his nose is gonna twitch until he gets his twitch back. There's this angstful floating nasal-phallus metaphor underneath his story.

I enjoyed Starfire's "You both irritate me no end but I suppose we should try and save the universe." The space opera portion of 52 plays so well when the action is combined with a mildly sitcomesque vibe. I wish Adam and Buddy looked more different, though.

I'm assuming Freddy Freeman has a Wisdom-of-Solomon moment with Osiris. Osiris *is* sort of correct even if he is a bit of an ass and I love the inclusion of Sobek in the Black Marvel Family.
 
 
rabideyemovement
14:43 / 15.12.06
So what was it Rama Kushna told Ralph?
What was it he was doing in the hotel room at the start of the series?
If I remember correctly, he was planning to commit suicide. So is Rama telling him that the only way he will ever see Sue again is to die himself?
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
15:57 / 16.12.06
That's pretty much how I read it.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
19:59 / 10.01.07
So, uh, thoughts on this weeks issue? I honestly thought that the Question had croaked last issue (I get the impression I was supposed to think that to throw the audience off of this weeks happenings). Did anyone feel like the big space battle and it’s ramifications were… off? Like, the scene was not nearly as powerful as it should have been? Maybe it was just me, but the end of it and what happened felt… unnecessary, really.
 
 
LDones
20:12 / 10.01.07
I've been buying 52 on the basis that it was an experiment I found interesting, pass or fail. With this issue I think it's clear that we're in for a big and sometimes painfully unspectacular failure.

Uninteresting plotlines drag for months, while others languish with little to no exposure or development and then simply... end, like today's - with an absurd lack of... zazz.


I just hope Morrison's cooked up a hell of a journey through the Underworld for his Odysseus. If not, I dare say I'll be nonplussed. Bummed, even.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
22:30 / 10.01.07
I almost cried on the subway. Thanks 52.

(Someone died.)
 
 
Mario
22:32 / 10.01.07
I'm not entirely sure it's going to stick, so I'm going to hold off on the requiem until issue #52.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
07:53 / 11.01.07
Okay, that's the first stage: denial. Here's another stage: Anger.

I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS AS SPOILER-FREE AS POSSIBLE, BUT BE WARNED.

































So this is how the 52 writers thought (a major character's) story should end? As a reverse-punchline to Lobo's patented Krazy antics? And the last word he ever uttered was fuckin' 'Zombie'!?! Now, we all knew this was coming (thanks a bunch Brad Meltzer!), and we knew the Space Heroes had to have a showdown with Lady Styx, but this? This?
 
 
gridley
14:11 / 11.01.07
(spoilers)



Did anyone feel like the big space battle and it’s ramifications were… off?

Yeah. I can buy what happened as Lobo's plan, but I don't understand why Buddy, Adam and Kory would have gone along with it. Blind guy as sharpshooter? Really? And what happened to Kory's powers? She used to be super powerful and now... not so much.
 
 
FinderWolf
02:27 / 12.01.07
Did they really kill....[him]?

I too am wondering if it will be reversed somehow by the end of the FFIIFFDEEE-TOOOOO weeks.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:18 / 12.01.07
LDones: Uninteresting plotlines drag for months, while others languish with little to no exposure or development and then simply... end, like today's - with an absurd lack of... zazz.

Which is pretty much why I gave up on 52 after the Christmas issue - everything felt like it fizzled. The art was dull at the best of times, always coming across as flat. Maybe that's the colourist's fault. It occurred to me that I was only really picking it up for the spiffy Secret Origins artwork and two pages is not enough. The plotlines I was actually interested in ... like the mad scientists ... hadn't really moved in months and the completely lackluster meetings between Batwoman and Nightwing - well. Could two characters have less chemistry? I'm not even talking romantic chemistry, obviously, but actually nitty-gritty charater interplay that's interesting.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
15:38 / 13.01.07
Yeah – I wouldn’t really minded the apparent event in issue 36, if it had been well enough written - eg a hugely dramatic, patented George style mindfuck kind of thing. This scene however was a badly choreographed shitty action scene, which barely hung together enough to make any sense and read more like it was written by Johns, trying to write like Morrison and largely failing. Still I’m assuming that they are playing us and what seemed to happen actually hasn’t happened, or at least if it has it’s still not the end. I mean they can’t have possibly thought that was a fitting end for the character, or even a terribly well written scene can they? Surely not?
 
 
rabideyemovement
05:42 / 14.01.07
No, they killed him because it's the only way they can sell out the new series when they revamp him and revive his book.
I think it's a grand idea. He's died two other times, and he always came back.
 
 
Mario
11:23 / 15.01.07
Since it appears the mystery will be solved this week, I want to reiterate my final prediction for the ID of Supernova.

He's Michael Jon Carter, the former Booster Gold. Furthermore, Rip Hunter is actually his ancestor, Daniel.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:30 / 15.01.07
Well, well, well. I haven't been to the comic shop since November and had £45 worth waiting for me when I got there at the weekend. Most of that was issues of 52.

My impressions (storyline to storyline)

Steel/Luthor/Infinity Inc/Supernova.

The Everyman Project storyline is picking up a little. I may have mentioned before how much I'm liking this version of Lex. Mad as a sackful of cats and still unable to get over Superman (even though it's been months since anyone saw him). The sheer self-destructiveness of his depowering the Everyman superheroes was gob-smacking. All just to try and bring Supernova out into the open.

The other members of Infinity Inc are getting a bit more stage time, and a weird thing going on with the shape-changer.

I quite liked the Christmas issue. Luthor gives them all cars and sort of hints that maybe they...well...might have a pressie for him? Maybe? No? Oh...okay then. Bless, even premier super-villains want something to open Christmas morn.

Incidentally...Bottle City of Kandor! It's about to get a savage kicking isn't it?

Black Adam and co.

Well there goes the "Osiris is an Intergang plant theory" unless Raven empathic scan was way off. I suppose, in a way, the Black Marvel Family's face-off with Suicide Squad underlines the fact that Osiris is really unschooled in his powers (Adam "Wrath of the Gods" is probably not the greatest teacher when it comes to restraint). This poor kid's been tortured nearly to death and then given powers approaching that of Superman, then pretty much jumps into battle headlong.

Questions, Questions.

Montoya continues her journey towards her life as the new Question. That little moment where she comes to meditate at the foot of his bed and he watches her with a tired smile that's loaded with pride, pure class. I don't think he's going to make it back to the mountains though, perhaps we'll have a Deadman cameo as someone turns up to answer The Big Question for him.

The Batman moment was...interesting. Obviously Muzzlebum's way of turning him back into HCLG Bruce. Although seems a bit off Bats having to resort to magic to get his groove back.

My only question regarding all of the Gotham stuff is where is Two-Face in all of this? Wasn't Harvey Dent supposed to be protecting the city whilst Batman is away? Or did he just suck up all of Batwoman's credit?

"Yeah it was me. I was Batwoman."

Space Heroes

Bit of an anti-climatic battle certainly, but does anyone actually reckon an extra-dimensional evil that's apparently broken out of the same place they stored Mageddon is going to be bothered with being rammed into a (whatever the hell it was) by a big, giant head?

Buddy...glub! He went out breaking the Forth Wall though, I was cheering for him.

Sounds like, from the Martian Manhunter origin, that they'll be bringing the Martian race back. Or perhaps just waking the White Martians up (which'd be cool, me am like White Martian goodness).
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:32 / 15.01.07
He's Michael Jon Carter, the former Booster Gold.

Seconded.

Not so sure about the Rip Hunter identity though (it'd be cool if that's right though).
 
 
X-Himy
17:56 / 15.01.07
I could also buy Ray Palmer, the Atom as Supernova, with an assist from some extra gizmos.
 
 
Evil Scientist
18:24 / 15.01.07
I could also buy Ray Palmer, the Atom as Supernova, with an assist from some extra gizmos.

I hadn't considered that, it would explain how he and Rip are able to shrink down to hide in Kandor.
 
 
slagar
19:38 / 15.01.07
wouldn't Ray Palmer be able to help build whatever Rip is building, though? i can see Booster being absolutely usless in that situation but it seems Palmer would have been able help in some way.
 
 
Evil Scientist
19:48 / 15.01.07
Someone remind me, do Kandor's Kryptonians have super-powers on a wee level?
 
 
gridley
20:03 / 15.01.07
Someone remind me, do Kandor's Kryptonians have super-powers on a wee level?

I suspect that different writers may have approached that question in different ways, but usually the inhabitants of Kandor have no powers because the atmosphere inside their bottled city mimics a red sun.
 
 
FinderWolf
21:31 / 15.01.07
Since newsarama showed the silhouetted Supernova with an Atom-visual-effect around him as he leaves Kandor, most have suspected it's not Ray under the mask, but someone using Ray's belt, since it would be lame to spoil the ID of Supernova in a preview on Newsarama well before the issue in question comes out.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
00:25 / 16.01.07
DC have made it fairly clear that it's more than one person, unless I'm seriously misunderstanding things.
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:09 / 16.01.07
DC have made it fairly clear that it's more than one person, unless I'm seriously misunderstanding things.

Have they?

Issue 36 did blow part of my theory out of the water though (that Supernova uses time-travel technology to teleport things). As they apparently are struggling to repair Rip's Chronosphere.

The Atom technology could easily be one of the many superhero devices Supernova's taken in order to repair the time machine.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:12 / 16.01.07
They did hint that it's more than 1 person in a newsarama interview, I think (with the editor saying "Well, who said it's only 1 person in the Supernova suit?" or something like that).
 
 
gridley
15:22 / 16.01.07
But Ralph said he figured out who it was, which would seem to go against multiple people taking turns wearing the Supernova suit. Maybe it's somebody like Firestorm who has two people inside his head (although I doubt Firestorm himself would refer to Clark Kent as "Kent").
 
 
slagar
18:14 / 16.01.07
if it's Booster, someone else would have had to been wearing the costume early on, probably Rip. as they did have that fight.

it's probably those two the writer was refering too.
 
 
Mario
19:14 / 16.01.07
Time travel is a wonderful thing.
 
 
Evil Scientist
14:05 / 17.01.07
if it's Booster, someone else would have had to been wearing the costume early on, probably Rip. as they did have that fight.

Someone did...and it was Booster.

Booster of the fuuuuuture!

Maybe the paradox of Booster on Booster rough-housing damaged the chronosphere.

Maybe I should just shut up until the next issue comes out.

Disclaimer: Wild and baseless speculation. No evidence to see here.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
14:46 / 17.01.07
Spoilers have started appearing elsewhere on the internet, revealing the Supernova identity, and also casting a new light on the fate of another character seen in previous issues. I won't reveal here, but the curious can hunt them out. (or wait till Wednesday/Thursday)
 
 
FinderWolf
15:11 / 17.01.07
so it's really revealed in this week's issue? I thought the editor said in a recent interview that we won't find out Supernova's ID til the final issue of 52. Guess he was joking/teasing....
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
19:35 / 17.01.07
Ooooh.... there we go. Vast improvement over last week, for a lot of reasons. Even if the cover does blatantly give away a major plot point.

I knew things were too simple.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
20:46 / 17.01.07
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Yeah, the cover was kinda stupid, spoiling the "big reveal."

Eeeennnteresting issue, though. What the fuck IS Skeets? Eating the Phantom Zone? That was big-time, and pretty cool. It was nice to see Ollie, even if I have no idea why Star City is in such a bind that they need GL to give them some power. I'm sure Ollie'll sort it out with style.

And, of course, the fucking end, man, the fucking end. Squee. Serious Squee.

And I fucking love Lobo's pope hat.


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Phex: Dorset Doom
20:57 / 17.01.07
I've just finished 52 #37.
I retract all comments made in my last post.
 
  

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