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12:15 / 04.09.06

At the risk of sounding somewhat facetious Scientist, can I just say that firstly (and as we all know), this is comics and the dead rarely stay that way.

I don't really see how that's relevant to my personal preference to avoid OYL spoilers about what happens within the 52 story arcs. There's a whole thread titled (oddly enough) One Year Later for discussion of post-52 events. Wouldn't it make more sense for OYL stuff that relates to 52 to be discussed there?

I'm not bothered about whether or not they're killing off a popular character for ever (extemely unlikely in Starfire's case), I'm bothered about having the end of the story spoilt for me.

14:13 / 04.09.06

Fair enough, although I find it highly unlikely that the stuff appearing in OYL titles are 52 spoilers, especially not in a title like Teen Titans, scripted by one of the 52 writers, but I agree that OYL should probably be kept out of this thread.

On a slight tangent though, how come you're avoiding OYL? Are you waiting for 52 to finish because of the spoilers (if so, it's not worth it, the two spheres are alomost completely seperate. DOn't for get that Johns Rucka Waid and Mozza are *gasp* making this up as they go aong...), or have you just dropped the DCU proper because of the jump?

14:24 / 04.09.06

Well I've never really been a big reader of the DCU. Not in monthly form anyway. My teenage years were extremely Marvel-centric with the occasional Batman g-novels. My university years were all Vertigo. It's only relatively recently (last six years or so) that I've gotten into reading things like Justice League and so forth, but generally in collected form.

I'm not really avoiding OYL, it's just that my standing order comics are either Marvel or Wildstorm. I happened to pick up 52 on a whim and got hooked, I quite like the weekly format too.

Also I'm something of a terrible fanboy when it comes to Glaring Mozzlecum so there's that as well (which does mean I may hit Batman-related spoilers reading his OYL Batman stuff).

It's not the end of the world if people do want to put spoilers in here, but I'd appreciate if they were at least marked.

13:19 / 07.09.06

Is it just me seeing things that aren’t there, or did anyone else think that Buddy’s comments about his ‘encounter’ sounded like Grant Morrison speaking through him about his Kathmandu experience? As recounted in ‘Hotel Fortune’, I mean…

Phex: Dorset Doom

15:17 / 07.09.06

Well, the experience he's refferring to did involve Grant Morrison in a way- Animal Man busted right through the fourth wall and met Mozza in an Animal Man issue way back in the early nineties. Buddy's pretty vague on the details- probably because he doesn't want to tell people he's spending a long space voyage with that they're really just comic book characters- so you can read just about anything into the 'peak experience' if you've not read Animal Man.

So, number 18 huh? SPOLIERS below:

* Detective Chimp. Always a plus.
* Shadowpact- aren't they meant to be missing for the duration of this year?
* The Croatoans- When I first read the teasers I assumed this refered to the residents of Limbo Town from Klarion the Witchboy, it turns out Ralph and Dick-Chimp have been in a secret detective club for years. Nobody ever tells me this stuff... Also, the solicits read 'Ralph, We're the Croatoans, we found Shakespeare's Ghost Writer, we can find one of our own guys". In 52 #18 the line reads: 'Ralph, We're the Croatoans, we figured out the ending of Lost...'
And, in the biggest SPOILER of the issue, Ralph might just get to be the new Doctor Fate.

16:28 / 07.09.06

The Shadowpact thing is a mess. Apparently, Willingham took them off the board without permission, which has led to a contradiction. Now it looks like that "year" was a couple of weeks.

16:31 / 07.09.06

Actually, it makes sense that a group of (American?) detectives would name themselves that, after the first American mystery. The fact that we happen to know the solution is possibly irrelevant.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

16:40 / 07.09.06

Not to mention appearances by the Mind-Grabber Man, and the secret reverse possible legacy of Booster Gold.

I didn't recognize the other detectives among the Croatoan Society. Ideas?

Lots of Renee, Question, debauchery, and Question finally saying: "What are we going to do about Intergang?" You have to give him props for standing up to Black Adam like that.

But Ralph as Fate? Wow, that's peculiar.

Phex: Dorset Doom

20:03 / 07.09.06

Are The Croatoans some kind of post-Crisis retcon jobby? I can't seem to find any reference to them in Ralph or Dick-Chimp's backstory.

20:32 / 07.09.06

As far as I know, they are new.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

14:16 / 08.09.06

Meh, then, because that's two new characters (and one dead one available as backstory) who didn't really do much of anything, beside find a body - and one of them is clearly a mystic capable of throwing up a spell of protection, making her a magician who might have been useful when the Shadowpact convened with Ralph. They could at least have given a reason for her and the other guy being absent from that meeting - wouldn't they be concerned with finding out the solution to the mystery, and also simply want to be around because their friend died for this particular mystery? Sloppy, sloppy.

The cover was aces, though.

I'm still not sure how I feel about Ralph being potentially the new Doctor Fate, if that's indeed where he's going, but you could do some interesting stories with it - his search for Sue amid the higher planes, or simply making him a low-powered mystic detective lacking the essence of Nabu to do high level magics and the rest of Fate's accoutrements being gone...

14:06 / 11.09.06

There's been some speculaton over on the Newsarama boards that Supernova could be none other than Mon-El, old Legion character (who hasn't yet showed up in Waid's new Legion book). Sounds like a fun idea.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

14:36 / 11.09.06

So Trench got turned into liquid because he put on the Fate helmet without going through the proper training to use it?

Has the helmet killed people like that previously? The only time I can think of is in Books of Magic when in the neo-Eqypt future the helmet makes a guy rip his own face off.

I really liked week 17, the more Buddy the better. What was the deal with the trap for Lobo? Was Devilance the trap, or the asteroid belt?

Phex: Dorset Doom

14:39 / 11.09.06

Well, we know from a recent issue of Superman that there's three Kryptonians on Earth- Superman, Supergirl and... Mon-El? (Power-girl doesn't count apparently)

16:04 / 11.09.06

Zod?

Spyder Todd 2008

16:14 / 11.09.06

"KNEEL! KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!!"

...*ahem*
Sorry, it felt appropriate.

Spyder Todd 2008

16:16 / 11.09.06

Although, what if one year later Zod looks like Terence Stamp? That could be cool.

17:25 / 11.09.06

I and many others are with ya there: the 3rd Kryptonian will be Zod. and DC has mentioned in various interviews that we will get a new Zod, a Zod that's different from the 1950s Communist-grey-outfit-with-hat-wearing General looking Zod we've gotten in Superman comics of old or the Imperiex/freakish Joe Kelly Clark-look-alike Zod. Dan Didio said we're getting a clean, simple, streamlined Zod.

And, Geoff Johns and Richard Donner said we'll get a much more Superman II-like Zod. So there ya go.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

17:36 / 11.09.06

I still don't understand Pokolistan Zod. Pokolistan was an "actual" Earth country (actual in terms of comics rather than reality) and not some Apokolips offshoot? Zod looked like Clark? I have one comic with Clark and Lex in prison during Zod's reign and I still have no idea what the hell was going on.

18:17 / 11.09.06

it was awful. I recall that this version of Zod was some sort of clone of Kal-El, or there was time travel/alternate universes involved...ugh... and that's why he looked like our boy Supes...he had huge-o armor (with a jagged-looking "S" shield, I think) that made him look like Imperiex, the huge-o armored Kirby-ish looking bad guy from the mostly lackluster DC summer crossover event "Our Worlds At War."

Best left forgotten. Hopefully the new Zod we get will be much simpler and cooler.

Spyder Todd 2008

19:06 / 11.09.06

Seriously, unless it's made out of lead to shield them from kryptonite, why would any Kryptonian need armor in the first place?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

19:07 / 11.09.06

Wasn't he human? I remember something about his armour feeding him red sunlight that gave him Kryptonian-like powers. Or some thing.

20:26 / 11.09.06

Has the helmet killed people like that previously? The only time I can think of is in Books of Magic when in the neo-Eqypt future the helmet makes a guy rip his own face off.

I think the point of the story (and things like Trials of Shazam) is that in the Tenth Age of Magic, the rules have changed. So ALL magic is risky now.

22:14 / 13.09.06

So Skeets is evil and it's likely that Booster knew it, since he kept Rip Hunter's diagrams a secret. Machine War I imminent.

I can't make anything of most of the years listed on the cover of Week 19 (Steve Wacker's said they're all significant to the story) but the top one, the number underneath the 52 logo, is 85,271, or the 853rd Century, home to the Justice Legion A of DC 1,000,000 fame.

So we may again see the Batman of the 853rd Century with his IQ of 1045.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

23:37 / 13.09.06

Also, Green Lantern dropped some weird 52 hints. The Guardians are holding off on questioning Superboy Prime about something about important. There's a sector in space that they refuse to assign a Lantern to. The reason is, in their words, "52."

Who knows.

23:37 / 13.09.06

I found a useful analysis of the cover of issue #19 on Newsarama. Note that this is NOT my work, I am merely the messenger:

Regarding the numbers on the cover of issue #19:

0 - Zero Hour
1935 - New Fun Comics #1 (First DC Comic)
1938 - Action Comics #1 (First Superman)
1939 - Detective Comics #27(First Batman)
1941 - All Star Comics #8 (First Wonder Woman)
1956 - Showcase #4 (First Barry Allen Flash - Start of the Silver Age)
1985 - Crisis on Infinite Earths
200? - Probably 2006, which is either Infinite Crisis or OYL. Notice the second 0 is partially cut-off.
3006 - 1000 years in the future, usual haunt of the Legion of Super-Heroes.
4006 - 2000 years in the future, possibly mentioned on the chalkboard.
5252 - 52 concatenated with 52.
85,271 - DC One Million

Analysis:

- The intriguing dates are 200?, 4006, and 5252.
- It can be inferred that 200? is 2006 based on the presence of 3006 and 4006.
- Booster came from the 25th Century, and that is none of the above.
- Abra Kadabra came from the 64th Century, and that is none of the above.
- Rip Hunter may have disappeared to 5252.
- Is the second 0 of 200 being cut-off an artistic glitch, like the disappearing arm that touched Tim Trench of Week 18, or was it intentional? It would be nice to have an official answer.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

15:23 / 14.09.06

Emerald Eye of Ekron!

No Question this time. Damnable.

Oh, and regarding Wonder Girl and Supernova - anyone else think Cassie's going to turn into Brainiac 5 just post-Crisis, constantly trying to prove that Sensor Girl was Supergirl in disguise. This almost guarentees that Supernova is -not- Kon-El. Clearly, it's Karate Kid.

Spyder Todd 2008

16:39 / 14.09.06

DO WE STILL NEED TO WORRY ABOUT SPOILER SPACE WITH THIS BOOK? IF SO, BE WARNED...

I concur, it's totally not Conner. And Skeets is confirmed as being up to no good. I'm not sure yet what I think of Archbishop Lobo (although I love the title) but the floating dolphin that spoke English was pretty rocktastic.

rabideyemovement

16:57 / 14.09.06

I'm not sure about Supernova being Connor. I'm positive he's someone we already are familiar with, hence the full face mask, and Cassie would recognize him for sure. He could easily be another Lex/Clark clone. The preview for next issue shows him standing in the Batcave facing the Robin costume. Robin and Connor were best friends.
And I'm not so sure Skeets really is evil. I think he's merely shunted the "new" Booster into the future, so that he can fulfill his destiny as the "old" Booster and secure some of the chronal displacement via a new post-crisis origin. Maybe Booster was never really a janitor from the future. Maybe he was an Insurance salesman who got thrown to the future and could only find work as a janitor there. That's why Skeets tells him he'll relive his dream over and over and over again for eternity. He's creating a Booster time-loop.

17:44 / 14.09.06

Well... I'm curious who the "She" was that lobo refered to WRT that distroyed sector of space. Who put a bounty on team Animalmanstarfireadamstrange?

I initially assumed all that devestation was a result of the giant hands of 8C... but apparently not.

Has T.O. Morrow already sused-out some of Skeets' plans and set up Magnus and the Metal Men to counter them?

18:15 / 14.09.06

Based on some clues I've picked up, "she" is Lady Styx. The term "Stygian Passover" is a major hint.

Now, as to who she is... don't know, but I think she may be related to the reason why Darkseid has been so quiet of late.

07:58 / 15.09.06

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but did anyone notice when Skeets first says "He knows" it's not one of his "computer" speech bubbles but a "human" one (don't know the correct terms, if there are any... sorry)?

08:20 / 15.09.06

One of the problems with 52 is that you can never tell if a little detail like that is a deliberate clue, or simply a production screw up. There've been plenty of both.

09:48 / 15.09.06

Skeets is not a robot but a Sheeda-piloted craft!

One could only hope, but I am betting on production error.

20:06 / 20.09.06

read it yet?

Steel's back... and in a good mood.

Animal Man struts is stuff and Starfire is hard core.

Adam Strange get's his origin with some nice Kevin Nolan art.

But Animal Man finally shows that he's League material

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