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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:46 / 20.09.06
EKRON IS COMING.

It's interesting, based on previous demonstrations of the Eye's power, that everybody in this particular instance favours the "big green laser" approach to using it. Says something about Starfire's personality, I think.

Lobo nudity to balance out Kory's from earlier.

I enjoyed this issue, and Buddy had his moment to shine.

Still missing Renee and Charlie. I really want a post-52 comic that has them in the supporting cast.

Looks like we get Power Boy, Kid Zatara, and L'il Barda next time 'round with the Missing Year Titans.

Wondering if this issue counts as further evidence that Supernova may equal Lightray -- he steals into the Batcave and wanders around before settling on what looks to be a boom tube gauntlet. Reclaiming New God technology in the hopes of getting home? There do seem to be some New Gods slumming it lately...
 
 
Kirk Ultra
00:00 / 21.09.06
I don't think that was a boom tube gauntlet. It looked like the gauntlet-of-many-kryptonites that Lex Luthor was wearing when he was fighting Supergirl. I'm guessing Batman grabbed it to replace the kryptonite ring (also taken from Lex Luthor) as the new insurance against Superman going crazy.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:57 / 22.09.06
I just noticed that back in Week 10, it looks like Ibis Junior is one of the assembled "Freedom of Power" Treaty Representatives. Nice nod to the Fawcett origins of both Ibis and Black Adam, but -- Ibis! Ibis is back? Or is it a new Ibis, having inherited the ibistick after Ibis and Taia passed away in Zatanna? He looks significantly younger and his ibistick had more detail (a small ibis engraving at the top). Wonder if Egypt appointed him or what, and how the ibistick made it across the world from San Fran.
 
 
Mario
22:52 / 22.09.06
Could be a "10th Age of Magic" thing. The Ibistick chose a new wielder, much as the Helm of Fate is doing.
 
 
Mario
00:59 / 23.09.06
Something just occurred to me.

This is Ekron, right?

Now, what does that remind me of?
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
14:24 / 23.09.06
nd Brainiac spent a lot of time being green, too... curious...
 
 
Mario
15:10 / 23.09.06
I can't believe I missed this. I should turn in my badge.

The space plotline (Adam, Buddy, & Starfire) is based on the Odyssey, with Devilance as the Cyclops, and Lobo as Aeolus.
 
 
Mario
20:30 / 23.09.06
And I'm almost positive that Ekron's dialogue translates as "I will kill you in 52 ways."
 
 
rabideyemovement
02:28 / 24.09.06
Does this count as sort of the origin story of the Eye of Ekron? Has it ever turned up anywhere other than in LEGION comics?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
03:52 / 24.09.06
wrt Ekron and Brainiac, the 2 things I though Ekron looked like right off the bat were the slug looking Brainiac from Earth 2 (I think...) and Deaths Head II.

And when lobo was talking about the evil causing the destruction the panels look like the Castle Revolving, kind of.
 
 
The Falcon
16:51 / 24.09.06
The 'Stygian passover' bit? That reminded me more of those hive/insect guys from Doom Patrol, the ones that gave Cliff spider-legs for a while. I rather hoped it was them, but it's Lady Styx, apparently.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:06 / 25.09.06
Mario: Could be a "10th Age of Magic" thing. The Ibistick chose a new wielder, much as the Helm of Fate is doing.

Sounds likely, I hadn't thought of that. They're very unclear as to the ramifications of the ages of magic changing over. I'm wondering if the Kid Zatara showing up next week will indeed be Zatanna and John Conjob's kid or maybe a younger cousin of Zatanna's? Gifted by his magical genes to fill her role in the tenth age? If he ends up with an ongoing and Zatanna doesn't, I llahs eb dessip.

Does it feel like they're overdoing the legacy gimmick with all the new Titans and such? There's something to be said for individual heroes who are alone in and of themselves.
 
 
Mario
00:40 / 25.09.06
The ramifications seem to be this:

1. Magic ALWAYS has a price. You can't blissfully cast spells without consequence, anymore.
2. There are new threats, completely unknown to most adepts (except Billy, and probably the helm of Fate)

I expect more to be revealed as part of Ralph's arc.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:46 / 25.09.06
I'm hoping they iron out the Shadowpact continuity a bit. I'm not sure how I feel about the series as it stands; I've noticed that they don't seem to do much beside agree with each other, the humour's a little strained, and for some reason nobody's worried about Enchantress overloading on power anymore. I'd like to figure out how they fit into 52 between their appearence and the series. Someone said something about Willingham causing some problems with editorial?
 
 
Mario
01:11 / 25.09.06
Friend of mine tracked down Ekron's font:

http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/comicraft/gobbledygook/
 
 
rabideyemovement
01:19 / 25.09.06
The Shadowpact wouldn't have been around during the fifty-two timeline. Immediately following the Crisis, they went on a mission and got themselves and a small town trapped under a giant dome of blood for a year. Only a few days had crossed inside for the Shadowpact, while a year went by for the other heroes.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:21 / 25.09.06
You'd think that, except they show up to help Ralph mainline the Fate and look awkward when he walks away. Hence the timeline confusion.

Actually, I think Enchantress even where her "witchy woman" costume in Fifty-Two versus that senseless "gold bustier" deal she has in the ongoing.
 
 
rabideyemovement
05:31 / 25.09.06
Okay, so I suppose they must have been around for a short bit into 52 then. I forgot about that issue.
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:22 / 25.09.06
Yay! Eckron = Vecna. It just leaves bits of itself all over the place.

I haven't actually read the most recent bits yet but I am looking forward to Eckron the giant evil space head.

Does this count as sort of the origin story of the Eye of Ekron? Has it ever turned up anywhere other than in LEGION comics?

Click on the Emerald Empress link a few pages back and it's been updated to mention Eckron being a larger entity looking for it's eye. So orgin it is.

The Eye has been seen in the modern DC era before but, as far as I am aware, it was part of a hard-light simulation of the Fatal Five set on Superman by Brainiac 13.

The wiki mentions that the Eye may have a corrupting effect on those who use it.
 
 
Mario
11:35 / 25.09.06
I don't know for certain if those LEGION stories contradict this origin, but it may be relevant that Lobo was a cast member at the time.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
16:57 / 25.09.06
So, if we're doing the whole 'Buddy/Kory/Adam are a triple Odyssesus(sp)' thing, then Ekron is who exactly? Posideon? And who is Lobo for that matter? I'm expecting Lady Styx will fill the Circe role and eagerly await Scylla and Charybdis.
 
 
gridley
18:49 / 25.09.06
If it is the Odyssey, I wonder if Ellen is fighting off a pack of supervillian suitors.
 
 
Mario
20:12 / 25.09.06
Given that Alanna is essentially a princess, I suspect she is the better Penelope.
 
 
Rachel Evil McCall
04:19 / 26.09.06
"If it is the Odyssey, I wonder if Ellen is fighting off a pack of supervillian suitors."

Aaand now I have in my head an image of Mirror Master knocking on the door of the Bakers' home, holding a bouqet of roses and a big heart-shaped box of chocolates.
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:01 / 26.09.06
Doomsday singing "You are so beautiful." under her window.
 
 
Ben Danes
09:54 / 26.09.06
GM's already done the Odyssey as super-hero epic before in JLA , when Green Lantern wakes up on the shores of Wonderland and tells his tale to the Mote in #13 (IIRC), not realizing he had arrived at the place he was travelling to. It looks like it will be gone into in more depth this time though, and they've certainly got the space for it.
 
 
The Falcon
10:57 / 26.09.06
..it's such a Milligan thing to do, that.

I think they were actually calling it the Space Odyssey storyline too. I totally failed to notice also - *shame*.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:19 / 26.09.06
Couple of things I realised that I thought were quite amusing about the end of the Renee and The Question's adventure in Khandaq.

1) Renee's a burnt-out on-the-edge cop with a drinking habit, she's dealing with the trauma of shooting a teenage suicide bomber, she's in a country which (on the surface) seems a tad repressive. Bless her cotton socks though it doesn't get in the way of her picking up, what appeared to be, a supermodel to console herself with.

2) He's called The Question, he goes around faceless in order to conceal his identity, presumably. Doesn't have a problem with revealing it to get a funky "Order of Khandaq" medal though.
 
 
The Falcon
13:22 / 26.09.06
Yeah, I think that's his real name? Charles Victor Szasz? But for years, I thought the Question's a.e. was Victor Sage.

Oh. I guess the 'sz' is pronounced 'sj' at the end. Isn't there a Batman villain called Mr. Szasz?
 
 
The Falcon
13:31 / 26.09.06
Yeah, first name Victor. This is all slightly distressing.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
13:48 / 26.09.06
Szasz is the killer who carves a tally mark on himself for each person he kills. I don't know when he first appeared but he was the major villain in the first story arc for the Shadow of The Bat series.

He was somehow managing to kill people while confined to an upright metal coffin in Arkham, so Batman gets himself commited to figure out how(SPOILER: secret passages).

That was years ago, he had a cameo in an issue of Hitman but not much since.

So yeah, the name thing has been bugging me too.
 
 
doyoufeelloved
13:49 / 26.09.06
The Batman villain is actually Zsasz, starting with the Z. He was in a very solid DETECTIVE COMICS two-parter with lovely Cliff Chiang art just before the OYL reboot.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:05 / 26.09.06
The Question was a Szasz for...um...some time now? At least ten years. He usually goes by Vic Sage, though. I think that with his move to Gotham, he dropped the reporter alter-ego altogether and seems to be changing his M.O.

Actually, you might consider the shadow of Renee's storyline is whatever's going on with "Charlie," having abandoned most of the visible elements of his life and is presumably questioning who he is, not just who Renee is. Only we don't get into his head like we do Renee's.

Szasz is, I believe, the name of some key figure in Scientology, who was/is a psychiatrist more originally. He sounds a bit, ah, questionable, so when they picked up that name for Vic Sage it may have been intentional. I had always assumed a connection.

And there's was Supreme's Mxy-knockoff, Szazs, who would only disappear if you could logically disprove his existence.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:12 / 29.09.06
...wow. This whole issue sort of fell flat for me, as much as I was excited about the thought of the 52 Teen Titans. Seriously! They try to graft some interest onto the Natasha/Steel plot which is still managing to do nothing for me as much as I like Natasha, and otherwise? One two-page look at what Ralph's doing with Fate's helmet and, well, they've introduced the Red Tornado plot. Admittedely, that's probably the kind of robot I'd end up building - it reminded me of Calvin and Hobbes trying to make a robot to make Calvin's bed.

Raven has a bad redesign and no discernible personality, Beast Boy's had all traces of fun removed from him and doesn't even use his powers. Trajectory wanted to be Kid Flash and I would have more believed her wanting to be Impulse. Steel acts ridiculously. I just ... meh. I miss Renee and Charlie. And I think I'm beginning to have it up to here with "legacy heroes" as a concept.
 
 
Kirk Ultra
18:14 / 29.09.06
The legacy hereos are definitely getting old. A few are cool, but not everybody needs a second (or third or fourth) gen copy of themselves. A few legacy charaters are cool, but I basically got tired of it as soon as Bombshell, the next Captain Atom, showed up in Teen Titans. The same thing happenned after James Robinson's Starman. "That book about superhero legacies was great, there all superhero legacy stories must be great! Activate the new Justice Society!" Only now its happenning even more. I don't mind most of the new heroes, but its almost like they're going out of their way to make copies of everyone.

My hope is that they're being built up as cannon fodder or back story for some big event coming up.
 
  

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