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7 Soldiers: Mister Miracle

 
  

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Aertho
14:39 / 13.12.05
That's what Mario was saying? Is somebody gonna tell Flyboy?
 
 
Spaniel
17:17 / 13.12.05
Mario, I remember reading somewhere - an interview with Dididadio, perhaps - that the new "one year later" DCU will strive to be a little more representative.

Blacking up a white guy wouldn't really fit the programme.
 
 
The Natural Way
17:31 / 13.12.05
Now I'm confused - don't you mean the reverse?
 
 
Mario
18:24 / 13.12.05
In any case, you can put me down as thinking Shilo is Shilo, not Scott.
 
 
ciarconn
18:38 / 13.12.05
About the New gods´ divine archetypes... I do not feel that they are equiparable... I had always imagined Kirby trying to create a whole new pantheon, a mythology different from everything old... (tough the lack of benign mother figures and the presence of heroic rebels merits a post-mortem psychoanalysis of Kriby´s mind).

Even so, I have to say I love the idea of Mr Miracle fitting the Jesus=Buda=Quetzalcoatl archetype.

Perhaps we could try to analyze this mythology without comparing it+
 
 
Aertho
18:44 / 13.12.05
Analyze without comparing?

I think you ought to start and lay the groundrules for that little endeavor. I'm all for it, but it's going to be difficult to discuss archetypical behavior and pan-cultural myth structures without some sense of comparison and overlap.

Now if you're saying that the New Gods can not possibly be completely analygous to any known pantheon... cheers. I think we all agree that it's a Kirby mash-up. But how do the things that manifested in his creativity come about? The nature of this "God of Freedom" that some speak of seems to have lots in common with risen gods like Jesus, Dionysus, Baldur... anyone else?
 
 
This Sunday
18:51 / 13.12.05
I still say Scott/Miracle/Shilo is Jesus after/as he escapes the crucifixion with a nice big flashy show that hits us right dead center of our being... and Mercury. Mercury putting on fleshy-shoes and joining the really real world for a bit, walking amongst the dirty, sweaty, angsty humans and maybe getting us out with him.

Somewhat seperately, is this mini smelling of the nineties excessively, to anyone else?
 
 
Aertho
18:57 / 13.12.05
This series stinks.




Thus far.

(Seriously. I'm more enagaged by the debate over racial stereotypes and divine archetypes in this thread than anything going on in the comic. BOOORING. For a New God book? Of course, the "whiny nineties" feel is hella appropriate... Saying this mini feels like Infinite Crisis would be right too.)
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
19:04 / 13.12.05
Well, I know Mister Miracle is my personal savior...
 
 
Aertho
19:09 / 13.12.05
Daytripper - "The Last Temptation of Christ"

Is Shilo a fever dream? That's a scenario even MORE played out, but?
 
 
Spaniel
20:04 / 13.12.05
Wedding, why are you confused? I think I've made myself pretty clear. For the record, I believe Shilo to be Shilo and not Scott because DC want to recognise ethnic diversity in their books. The blacking up comment was in reference to the notion that Shilo could in fact be Scott - the ideas are analogous.
 
 
Jackie Susann
22:33 / 13.12.05
Did anyone else think maybe the reason the New Gods are all in human bodies is cause they've been harrowed? I mean I just struggle to see what any of this has to do with the bigger story otherwise.
 
 
ciarconn
23:07 / 13.12.05
yeah... I must confess i haven´t read any other of the seven soldiers... but i have a slight idea of what they are about because of what i have read in this forum... and yeah, i´ve been wondering about the relation with the seven soldiers mega story...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:49 / 14.12.05
With some of the series so far, the intent isn't made clear until #3 - Manhattan Guardian, for example. That said, yeah, I'm not sure what the connection will be.
 
 
LDones
00:53 / 14.12.05
The Sheeda are collecting powerful artifacts. Shiloh has the last Mother Box in existence. I think they'd be interested.

There's a whole lot of interesting shit going in in Mister Miracle, and I think it'll reveal more of itself as the art settles down.

The (escaped) slave imagery from issue #1 still stays with me. It's the most outwardly about existential despair with its entire structure thus far, and that's interesting to me. More specifics back on page 5 of this thread.
 
 
The Falcon
11:15 / 14.12.05
Speaking of the disjunct with this and the other books' overarching stuff, one of the bloggers - can't remember which did point out that a car ran over a wee insect thing. I mean, it didn't look like any Sheeda I'd yet seen, but that's all I got.
 
 
Mario
13:19 / 14.12.05
I can't decide if this book is the most peripheral of the 7S books, or the most fundamental. I guess it all depends on whether there's a connection between the Dark Side, and the Dark Sidhe/Sheeda.
 
 
Spaniel
15:14 / 14.12.05
Well, I'm assuming there's a connection. It's the extent of the connection that's in question
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
15:22 / 14.12.05
MM is certainly thin in the ideas-per-page ratio - compared to the other series. I mean, death cars are much more boring than subway pirates and there's still no cross references with the other titles.

but remember what we said mostly about all the other 7S first couple of issues? "nothing to do with the Sheeda plot, not interesting" etc. and then... bang.

from the MM's Wikipedia entry:

Shilo Norman (Mister Miracle III) was the brother of a policeman killed by a gang leader. Scott Free was assigned to protect him, and continued to train Shilo with his own special escape artist techniques as well as giving him New Genesis technology.

Shilo worked for a time as head of security at the Slab, a prison for metahumans. He was involved in the events of Joker's Last Laugh, which resulted in the Slab being relocated to Antarctica.

Shilo has since been seen as a very successful and lucrative escape artist, using the name Mister Miracle. He became famous for large-scale televised stunts, including well-publicized escapes from the second dimension, the center of the earth, and inside the event horizon of a miniature black hole, stunts which enabled him to live a lavish celebrity lifestyle. He still posesses a Mother Box, but seems to have no memory of the New Gods. The reason for this is not yet clear.


in #4, Shilo will escape the Reality Trap in a box. it's in the solicitation. ultimate Gnosis, Neo or Jesus-Dafoe style. maybe he'll swallow a blue pill. or a red one, can't remember that shit. the crucification already happened.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
15:32 / 14.12.05
hm, has anyone mentioned MM = M and M = Eminem?

oh, and I don't think he's reality-trapped in Earth, but rather in Apokolips, since Dark Seid has won the war as Metron said in #1.

last theory of the day: maybe DS solving the Anti-Life Equation is simultaneous with 7 Bald Men of Mistery tearing our reality to let Sheeda in...
 
 
Mark Parsons
06:38 / 23.12.05
Here's a link to the cover of MM 4. WARNING: it contains a possibly HUGE spoiler:

Freddie Williams Interview
 
 
Benny the Ball
07:10 / 23.12.05
has anyone mentioned MM = M and M = Eminem?

That's a black man trapped in a white man's body? Or a white man in a black man's world?

Also, Puff Daddy, who was mentioned earlier when trying to describe Shilo, likes to wear white suits, another black wrapped in white...
 
 
Aertho
12:25 / 23.12.05
You could show the cover for issue four. Or you could go back one page and see that it's already been provided.

Honestly, after I found the interview you mentioned, I couldn't find anything significantly spoilerish besides the cover. And we'd already dissected the context of the grave. "Boxes" and whatnot.

Looks like Billy Dallas Patton was not only a crap artist, but a lazy one. The interviewer asks why BDP was replaced, and FW2 only says that the book was late. Significantly late.
 
 
Lel
14:35 / 23.12.05
I'm enjoying this one but a lot of it is going completely over my head. Anything I know of the New Gods is from wikipedia. The original Mister Miracle was the king's (?) son from New Genesis, traded for Darkseid's son to make peace... is Shilo a blood relative? Am I being too literal?

The Black Racer (death): doesn't he only appear to take the life of new gods? Who pulls his strings?
 
 
Mario
14:52 / 23.12.05
Shilo is just an ordinary kid who fell in with Scott & Barda. Originally, it was a witness protection sort of thing.

And while the Racer is usually seen as just the deathgod of the New Gods, in his first appearance he went after mortals too.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
00:07 / 24.12.05
And the Black Racer came for the dead JLA-ers in "Rock of Ages" and came for Steel in "Our Worlds at War".
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:32 / 25.12.05
Threadrot, but Pasqual's latest is out - Ultimate Fantastic Four/X-Men #1. Pwetty. I suppose this is merely the first of his big contract, the one that killed him from Miracle.

Mister Miracle #2 was by far the weakest link in the Soldiers - the art just painful, but I've got to wonder where it's going to go with Baron Bedlam...
 
 
doyoufeelloved
19:58 / 28.12.05
Interview up at Newsarama today with Freddie Williams, the artist for MM #s 3 and 4 -- includes pages from the issue, all colored & lettered.
 
 
Aertho
20:20 / 28.12.05
I have no idea what's going on.

Baron Bedlam is a Caucasian maskless Mr. Miracle in classicly chosen "supervillain colors". Shall we discuss race and class again?
 
 
Mario
20:47 / 28.12.05
Baron Bedlam is New Gods character "Doctor Bedlam" with a better haircut.
 
 
Mario
20:50 / 28.12.05
Oh, and the comments about "becoming plastic" makes me think he's turning human beings into "animates", the artificial bodies he can possess and/or control. (He's a psychic entity, without a true physical form)
 
 
Triplets
01:00 / 29.12.05
Is he going to try and plasticise (commercialise? clone?) MM and take him over, you reckon?
 
 
Mario
10:43 / 29.12.05
Probably. It fits Dark Side's MO : "Don't destroy someone physically, crush their spirit."
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:11 / 30.12.05
Mario - It's been "Baron Bedlam" for a while, not Doctor. I'm not sure when the split happened, but I know he was a Baron in the Virtue and Vice JLA/JSA trade.
 
 
Mario
12:15 / 30.12.05
There's a different character named Baron Bedlam associated with Geo-Force of the Outsiders. It's possible that they've become confused over the years. Did the JLA/JSA character look like this:



or this:

 
  

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