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7 Soldiers: Mister Miracle

 
  

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Triplets
11:17 / 03.10.05
Mario hits it. Could the Seven Unknown (Wo)Men be the core?
 
 
grant
16:08 / 04.10.05
Was reading up on New Gods, and apparently there's an exchange between Darkseid and Superman in which it is explained that Darkseid is really something like 300 feet tall, but that the Boom Tubes resize people appropriate to their destination environment.

The New Gods are bigger than us, but appear to be the same size because it's dimensionally appropriate.

That fits the fictionsuit theory.
 
 
Mario
17:51 / 04.10.05
That's actually a scene between Superman & Orion, tho not from the original Kirby stories. Earth is described as "nothing more than a speck in an air pocket".

Oh, and I wouldn't take that 300 ft measurement as particularly accurate. I was misinformed when I added it to the New Gods FAQ. (I'm the Mario referenced there). Sean doesn't really update it anymore.
 
 
Mario
17:54 / 04.10.05
"Mario hits it. Could the Seven Unknown (Wo)Men be the core?"

Just a thought...the New Gods acknowledge a power greater than themselves. They call it the Source. Could the Source be the highest realm? The "source" of the emanations? The Ein Soph of the DC cosmology?
 
 
The Falcon
22:01 / 26.10.05
Darkseid isn't a higher-order Lex Luthor? Shut up, Duncan, you cock.
 
 
Aertho
00:11 / 08.11.05

SEVEN SOLDIERS: MISTER MIRACLE #3
Written by Grant Morrison
Art and cover by Billy Dallas Patton & Michael Bair

There's a new Super Escape Artist in town! Baron Bedlam is here to steal Mister Miracle's thunder with a death-defying act that must be seen to be believed! What is the secret of the Living Waveform? Who are the Plastic People? Shilo Norman faces the dark night of the soul when he finally confronts Dark Side! With the most shocking conclusion you will see in a comic this year, you must not miss MISTER MIRACLE #3!

On sale January 18
 
 
Aertho
00:20 / 08.11.05
And you're all thinking: Still, with the cars?
 
 
iamus
00:54 / 08.11.05
I'm thinking that those pencils and colours look pretty scratchy after the super-smooth Ferry stuff.
 
 
A
06:10 / 08.11.05
I'm thinking I can't see the picture.
 
 
A
09:06 / 08.11.05
Let's see if this one works.

 
 
Good Stuff
12:06 / 22.11.05
Thought I boost this thread up the list a bit, at the same time as posting my first post (!) and saying,

"Where would I be without you barbelith people?"

Seven Soldiers is the first time I have seriously read much DC stuff. I have always assumed that Darkseid was pronounced "dark-seed".
Which made Mr M's "dark side" comments completely meaningless.
I also like how this little bit of knowledge reinforces (for me) the symbolic nature of the new gods - I guess it's pretty unequivocal that Darkseid represents the darkside.

Hmmm, well, don't mind me if I just test out a few posting techniques. Yep, looks like I have it sorted!

It's good to be posting (not for anyone else, I don't suppose),

ATB
Good Stuff (this will be the first and only time I sign off, don't worry)
 
 
Sniv
12:14 / 22.11.05
Ewww... that cover is shitty. I was really enjoying Ferry's artwork too, I loved how it looked like he'd drawn it with colouring pencils (at least, to my fevered brain it does). It even got me to pick up some Adam Strange issues.

Anyone know what this new artist is like (other than, y'know, not as good as Ferry)?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:17 / 22.11.05
Why not try reading the first page of this thread, my young chum? Reading threads can often be informative - and fun!
 
 
advancedplastics
16:23 / 22.11.05
I have always assumed that Darkseid was pronounced "dark-seed".


I, too, thought it was pronounced as "dark seed" until i saw an episode of the Justice League cartoon a couple of years ago. I still think that sounds cooler ...
Now the name sounds German.
 
 
advancedplastics
16:43 / 22.11.05
Just a thought...the New Gods acknowledge a power greater than themselves. They call it the Source. Could the Source be the highest realm? The "source" of the emanations? The Ein Soph of the DC cosmology?

I think YES, Mario. I also think that the source is Jack Kirby, in the same way the [Anti-]Monitor is DC editors/writers...
 
 
Mark Parsons
19:22 / 22.11.05
Poseidon
Frankenstein
Darkseid

I and I and I!

Darkseed: flying giant black sperm from GM's THE FILTH maxi-series, reccommended for Burroughs-heads, esp.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:37 / 22.11.05
MISTER MIRACLE #3 on sale January 18 ....when does #2 come out?

Please don't say it came out last Wed. and I missed it.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:00 / 22.11.05
oop, just read back on page 3 of this thread and found it...#2 is on Dec. 7.
 
 
superdonkey
21:21 / 22.11.05
Jeebus, that cover is all kinds of awful. It looks as if MM might be the real casualty of the S7 event- Killed not by the cosmic bald guys, but by a shitty artist.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
06:54 / 23.11.05
Kirby has been quoted as saying that Darkseid is so called because his face looks like the dark side of the moon, hence the pronunciation.
 
 
Mark Parsons
19:55 / 27.11.05
Unfans of Dallas' shitty art rejoice (maybe). As reported in ATR:

"But now after completing issue 2, Billy Dallas Patton has been replaced by Freddie E. Williams III (Noble Causes). Freddie has some pages in #2, and he's doing #3 and #4 as well."

So lets commence bitching (or mayhap even praising) Freddie E...
 
 
Mario
21:01 / 27.11.05
It may depend on the colorist. His art is just a little cartoony.
 
 
Aertho
21:17 / 27.11.05
Well I hope they pick a different artist for issue four. If you can't be consistent with choice of artist, be consistent with change of artist.

The Fourth World just can't seem to get a break.
 
 
The Falcon
21:55 / 27.11.05
Here's Freddie's only published bit I could find:



Very... homogenous.

Looks better than Billy, anyhoo.
 
 
The Falcon
21:56 / 27.11.05
No pic? No red x? ???
 
 
Mario
22:02 / 27.11.05
Try here:

http://ud.ath.cx/Fred/Home/Home.htm
 
 
FinderWolf
14:41 / 28.11.05
wow, 3 artists in the course of a 4-issue miniseries....that must be some sort of record.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
16:45 / 28.11.05
Wow... Is this guy related to J.H. Williams III?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:05 / 07.12.05
Well, that was sort of a wash. The art was pretty much MOR Marvel kind of stuff (Fred J. Dukes: KILL ME) and the gist of the story wasn't too subtle or complex, but the bright side is that the few pages we get from the clean-up guy look promising. He's got kind of a Seth Fisher by way Joe Mad kind of vibe going.

But it will be quite a dip in frame rate (360 Shout Out!) in the Absolute Seven Soldiers Collection (the one you'll be able to use to weigh down your air conditioner so it doesn't fall out kill your neighbor's dog).

Oh, and no tie-ins to the SS ouvre whatsoever.
 
 
Mario
21:43 / 07.12.05
I'm a bit confused. Which pages were done by which artist?

At least we found out who the doctor is.
 
 
Mario
22:39 / 07.12.05
A little birdie told me about this:

Mister Miracle #3 Cover
 
 
LDones
23:06 / 07.12.05
Pages 9, 14, and 19-22 are Freddie Williams II. The rest are Page, and while Williams is still quite a step down from Ferry as far as interesting depictions, he seems to be making a strong effort to keep to Ferry's initial models/shapes, and he's miles ahead of Page. The last 2 pages are a bit wonky, though. Both Page and Williams have a problem with symmetry.


Ah well. If Morrison was allowed full collaborative perfection on a big project, what would he have to complain about besides Haus and mass schizophrenia?

Still, I'm interested in the themes I'm seeing here, even if they're either half-assed or getting lost in the art. First issue had weird tones of slave imagery, mixed in with tropes of black celebrity continued here more explicitly with gang cliches.

I think the idea that your therapist is a sadistic alien drawing torture pictures of you while you unload, calculatedly undermining your confidence is a really primal fear used to good effect.


Darkseid as Marsellus Wallace/Suge Knight is more than a little boring.


And, as always, the meta-commentary about superhero comics, with Shiloh in therapy, and on using superhero-schtick as a tool for coping/growth:

"I didn't jump into a black hole for the symbolism. It was a stunt, pure and simple. An escape. It's what I do."(emphasis mine, obviously)

"Motherboxxx is just a childhood thing. A toy... somebody made for me. Her little ping-ping-ping thing makes me feel good. I imagine she's talking to me and it keeps me calm."
 
 
Aertho
23:10 / 07.12.05
About what exactly, Mario?

Does anyone else think that issues one and two coulda been compressed better into one issue? Nothing freakin happened. I feel the whole "contemporary roles of divine beings" has been done so often that it's getting old. Bums are the New Gods? Darkseid is a corporate megalomaniac? What was that you said, Dunc?

I have no idea what the hell is going on, and I blame the shit artist. Much too ordinary for a Grant book, and that's just the snobbishness in me. I was bored and zipped through the action. Shilo looked like he was talking to himself most of the time. Which may be a plot point("Hey, yeah... I'm having an episode down here... I'm in the sewer having flashbacks!") but still. At least the fill in Williams is doing his best to preserve some Ferry-esqueness.

Does Shilo hear Motherboxxx speak to him? We heard her in ther Black Hole in issue one.

I'm so confused.
 
 
Mario
23:18 / 07.12.05
About a post with bad HTML *sigh*

Try this:

http://cellardoorpublishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8527
 
 
Mario
23:32 / 07.12.05
There seems to be a certain disassociation going on. Shilo appears to have forgotten his past experiences with the New Gods, and treats his experiences in this issue as a delusion.

Case in point:

Page 3, Panel 1: "This is not real".

Page 17, Panel 5: "A toy...somebody made for me." The pause is critical. He doesn't know where he got her.

Sometime in the next few days, I'll work up full annotations. There are a few characters I need to verify first.
 
  

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