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7 Soldiers: Mister Miracle

 
  

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Aertho
22:49 / 08.03.06
So much to think about!

So are "Omega" and "Oracle" different persons? Is "Croatoan" also Oracle?
 
 
Mario
23:19 / 08.03.06
I'd say yes, since Oracle appears to be a good guy, on average.

One of them might be Croatan... I could make a case for either.
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:27 / 08.03.06
"Croatoan" as Oracle has some resonance considering the appearance in chains. If he wasn't running from the fall of Camelot perhaps he was running from his prison beneath NYC.

I'm wondering if OMEGA might be his Quippoth (sp?)

Shilo's life as a warden may well be in DC continuity. That encounter might serve to bridge the gap between his time as Warden (joker's last laugh) and this current series.

he was also in that black hole for 7 days. Wondering how it'll fit with the timeline . . . particularly the wondering around NY with Klarion and Guardian in #3.
 
 
Mario
23:41 / 08.03.06
Here's the thing... ALL of those "half-lives" were in some sort of continuity... recall that "Suburbs" Shilo read about his predecessor's death.

Given how weird it was that Shilo was a warden anyway (he just popped up out of nowhere) it almost makes sense.

I am positive, BTW, that the last page does not take place in present day... it's the payoff for the bet his brother made him.
 
 
Mario
23:43 / 08.03.06
And the "7 days" isn't a problem, since during those 7 days, he lived several lifetimes, including the one seen in issues 2 and 3. It's possible that he got out just in time for 7S #1.
 
 
Aertho
00:22 / 09.03.06
Cassie's chronology:

So I'm thinking that, rather obviously, the scenes where Shilo and friends are tying him up in the alley are fundamentally real, and in flashback. Ending with the shot at the ice cream parlor. Next event is the death of Aaron, shown only briefly. We know that Scott Free was sent to protect Shilo following his brother's death by gangbanger, but is here the first time we learn that Shilo was interested in escapology before meeting Scott?

So Shilo continues to adventure as Mr. Miracle 3, and ultimately leaves that life to persue a job as a warden at the Slab at the age of 20(?). While there, he works with Dina Bell(Do we know anything about this woman?), and is confronted by the seemingly malevolent Oracle/Omega. When Darkseid and Desaad show up at the Slab wearing fleshsuits, Omega/Oracle fuses himself to a depressed and questioning Shilo, and as Shilo, escapes the Slab's prison and death sentence.

Shilo, with Omega/Oracle in him, then persues fame and a career as a super-escape artist. Shilo begins seeing Dr. Dezard, Desaad's fleshsuit, as his therapist. He becomes very successful in a very short time, and decides to escape from a Black Hole. Upon reaching the event horizon, Shilo is greeted by Metron who informs Shilo that they are now where even "he" cannot listen. "He" was assumed to be Darkseid, but is now more accurately described to be the sentience of Omega. It's also assumed at this point that MotherBoxxx merges her "soul" to Shilo as well, leaving the motherboxxx device a "hollow shell"(7S:MM4 p17)

Shiloh escapes the Black Hole, and continues with his career as Mr. Miracle in issues 2 and 3, all the while being attacked by the fleshsuited forces of Apokolips. After confronting his usurper, Baron Bedlam, backstage at the Dome Show, Shilo is held down and is whispered the Anti-Life Equation. He breaks its hold through force of will.

One could assume that this is when the evil in Omega is activated, responding to the Anti-Life Equation. Shilo is beaten and mutilated. Finally, he commmits suicide.

This is when Omega really kicks into action, taking Shilo back and running him through alternate lives. The original life, of him as a celebirty superhero escape artist and ending in pill-suicide, is assumed to be fundamentally real - as it intersects with Klarion's and Guardian's events in NYC.

He is immediately thrown into the following sequences, as part of the Life Trap:

1) Suburban family life, wherein his granddaughter becomes Miss Miracle, and he is met by Rabbi Dezard.

2) Life as a hero again, this time dying in some great heor war, only to be mourned by Superman, Wonder Woman, GL, and some other hero.

3) An unspecified life, wherein Shilo is shot in the head.

*) It's at this point that MotherBoxxx is finished incubating Shilo's soul, and Shilo's Selfsense emerges separate of the consciousnesses that also inhabit his lifestream. He again hears Metron, and percieves Omega/Oracle as an entity separate than himself. But Omega isn't done yet!

4) Another unspecified life, wherein Shilo dies while trapped in a car underwater.

5) A rather sudden death, as Shilo dies of SIDS.

6) Again unspecified, Shilo dies of a heart attack in the arms of a Caucasian man. (His gay luvr?)

7) A repeat of his early original life. This time, Shilo throws himself in front of the gunfire that were directed at his policeman brother Aaron.

8 + *) A life in which Shilo is a sad, old man. Only also perceptive, in that he's able to activate the latent Motherboxxx'd Self that could percieve Omega/Oracle.

In that wierd timeless space where Omega and Shilo are separated, Shilo suggests that they work together to escape Darkseid's programming. The result is Omega/Oracle generating one last fantasy life: One in which Shiloh is a child, younger than the age he was when Aaron was killed.

In this life, young Shilo speaks to a child psychologist about how all his guilt and sadness is due to repressed emotion and loss from Aaron's death. The now-reassured child Shilo cracks the through Omega's final Life Trap to see that the child therapist is a representation of Metron, and percieves him as that.

Using Omega/Oracle's repetitious reality/time/space-bending Life Trap powers, Shilo finds himself back inside ther Black Hole Trap, and escapes it again, seven days after his initial escape.

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It's still not clean, but that's where I'm at. Oracle/Omega entity is still messy as I don't know enough to be sure about the sequencing, and the structure of Darkseid's involvement in activating Omega is problematic as well. Still working. Thoughts?
 
 
Mario
00:46 / 09.03.06
I'm pretty sure Shilo's interest in escapology is canon... that's why he was put with Scott in the first place. And Dina Bell is from Last Laugh.

My only real problem with your timeline is that everything we see after he escapes the black hole in issue #1 holdss the same timeless quality as the lives in this issue. A lack of memory about the past, an accelerated timeframe (which was remarked upon earlier in this thread) and a certain confusion about reality.

Here's my basic timeline.

1. Shilo bets his brother he can escape from a straitjacket (the prize is a chocolate sundae). Shortly thereafter, his brother is shot, and Shilo is traumatized.

2. At some point, Dark Side wins. The only person who can escape him, temporarily, is Metron.

3. Shilo as MM III, arranges for the black hole escape. There, he meets Metron, who points him in the direction of Omega (it's not a nice thing, but Metron is not particularly nice). Metron WANTS Shilo to enter the Abyss, so that he can emerge saved.

4. He escapes into a confusing life where everyone around him is touched by the Dark Side. This is Omega Life #1.

5. Dark Side plays with him, but when Shilo breaks free of his control, he accelerates the process (leading to the beating in #3)

6. Shilo commits suicide, slides into Omega Life #2 (the suburbanite dad), which he lives at an accelerated pace.

7. Then he ends up in Omega Life #3, the Warden of the Slab. There, he interacts with the Oracle, and (and this may be crucial) WILLINGLY sacrifices himself to free the big guy. And in turn, the first cracks in Omega appear.

8. Shilo accepts his role as a hero (Omega Life #3), but is still entangled in Omega. However, he's aware enough during the transition to REALIZE the trap.

9. Dark Side acclerates the program, but it's too late. Shilo frees himself from Omega.

10. With Metron's help, Shilo frees himself from the memory of his brother's death, too. Now he can fulfill his destiny.

The key word in this issue is "initiation".
 
 
Aertho
00:53 / 09.03.06
Whoah. Okay, so you're thinking Omega was an agent of Metron's and not Darkseid's? I can play with that... but Darkseid makes a big deal of mentioning the Omega Sanction. Metron working with Darkseid? Metron activating Omega so Shilo can digest and rehabilitate him?

And you think the Slab was an Omega life? Weird! I was sure that was another flashback prior to 7S:MM1, like the scenes with Aaron and the flashback.
 
 
Mario
01:05 / 09.03.06
No, I'm thinking Metron (that old manipulator) set Shilo up so that Omega would be used against him. Sort of like how Dane had to live on the streets for a bit before he was fully initiated into the Invisibles.

There's a crucial line in MM #3. Dark Side says "you should have never come into my world".

As for Warden Shilo, the reasons I think it's not a flashback are:

A. The date. Fifteen years after his brother died. Just like Suburb Shilo.

B. "This isn't the life I wanted".

C. Dark Side is in his "Pimp daddy" flesh suit.

D. "I will set you free!" doesn't sound like something Omega would EVER say. But destroying someone to free them DOES sound like the climax of an initiatory experience.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:06 / 09.03.06
Metron has on occasion allied with Darkseid; he favours New Genesis, but was rather a free agent from all I can recall.

Lack of the Sheedizzle in this book. I'm not even sure exactly what happened, per se, but I need to read it again: this very eve, in fact.

Frankenstein was the dirty Monster Sex, though. Nice and rough...
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
03:55 / 09.03.06
Life as a hero again, this time dying in some great heor war, only to be mourned by Superman, Wonder Woman, GL, and some other hero.

The battle he's involved in is in fact Infinite Crisis (or a version of it). He and the other supers are fighting the army of OMACs released by Brother Eye and Alex Luthor.

It's interesting to me that this is the series that so far, best stands on its own as a complete story.
 
 
LDones
04:22 / 09.03.06
I never meant that the last page happens in present day, it's just a symbol of his first triumph juxtaposed as the payoff of his current triumph.
 
 
Mario
09:30 / 09.03.06
That works for me.
 
 
smurph
16:23 / 09.03.06
Probably only marginally relevant, but the late 80's hero Halo, from Batman and the Outsiders, received her powers from a race of beings known as the Aurakles. The Aurakles were little glowing spheres that mostly floated around observing the universe. Maybe with a little twisting they could be related to the "Oracle" mentioned upthread both being vaguely "cosmic" in nature...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:31 / 09.03.06
As long as ze's not just a super-evolved Summer's End future version of Barbara Gordon Oracle, I'll be happy.

So, do we actually think Darkseid & the Gods of Apokolips were even in this comic? Or was it all just programmed in by Metron for purposes of initation?

And shouldn't the black hole that opens back up in STAR Labs have been a white hole?
 
 
Mario
18:26 / 09.03.06
It's only a white hole if stuff is SUPPOSED to come out.

And I do think that was really Dark Side & co. Metron is manipulating Shilo so he can free the gods of New Genesis.
 
 
Optimistic
18:30 / 09.03.06
So they can help him kick Sheeda ass?
 
 
Aertho
18:46 / 09.03.06
See JLA Classified 1-3 for precedent.
 
 
Aertho
19:43 / 09.03.06
So when do the Europeans arrive? Have we exhausted the thread?
 
 
Mario
20:43 / 09.03.06
So they can help him kick Sheeda ass?

Or at least move to a better class of fiction suit.
 
 
Jackie Susann
01:53 / 10.03.06
Isn't the point of the last page that Mister Miracle is the comics equivalent of the little autistic kid from Hill St Blues?
 
 
Aertho
02:20 / 10.03.06
Hm. you're gonna have to expand on that one.

Hill St. Wha?
 
 
The Natural Way
08:16 / 10.03.06
Well, I think the point is that he's escaped the (life) trap, and he's earned his Sundae. Could be a reference, too.

Hill St. Blues was an early eighties cop show, Chad.
 
 
Mario
11:09 / 10.03.06
I don't think so, because if this story was all a dream, we won't have Shilo available for 7S #1 (or, indeed, 8C #5).

The way I understand it is that Shilo was so traumatized by his brother's death that he has been unable to acheive his destiny.

By confronting and overcoming his internal demons (externalized as Omega), he can move on. Now, instead of concentrating on the negative image of his brother being shot, he can remember the good times... like the time he
won a chocolate sundae by escaping from a straitjacket.

And no, I'm not saying Omega was a creation of his subconscious or anything like that. Instead Omega, by his very nature, forced Shilo to confront the Qlippothic aspects of his own existence.

It actually reminds me most of "Reynard's" initiation in the last issue of Invisibles. And a little bit of that Rogerian therapy girl in De Sade's compound.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:41 / 10.03.06
I think, Mario, if yr last post was directed at me, that yr far, far too quick to *understand* my post's meaning.
 
 
Never or Now!
13:41 / 10.03.06
That's interesting. I didn't see the ending as being Shilo "confronting and overcoming his internal demons" at all. Way I read it, Mister Miracle came out of the black hole into a different world: the singularity & MM's trials represented cosmic fine tuning on the part of the New Gods to replace an unhealthy universe (the death of a sibling, a Sheeda victory) with a healthy one. I reckon a crucial role in 7S numero uno will be played by one Aaron Norman. We'll see.
 
 
Aertho
15:10 / 10.03.06
Okay, I promise not to use any more Morrison-inspired shortcuts when I talk. No more "reality tunnels" or "starheaded squids". If I promise to do this, will you?

I understand that Morrison repeats themes, but what Phoenix did is much different than waht Barbelith accomplished. When you suggest that yet another unhealthy universe was "fixed", what do you mean? Please go into the depths that you might assume we already know well. Or include links to points covered elsewhere.

Thanks.
 
 
Mario
15:24 / 10.03.06
I think, Mario, if yr last post was directed at me, that yr far, far too quick to *understand* my post's meaning.

Actually, I was replying to the "Hill St.Blues" comment, although I think "St. Elsewhere" was meant... the implication that it was all in young Shilo's head.

drink me: the only reason I mentioned internal demons was because of Dr. Metron's comments. I can't assume the lives were in other universes, because of the cameos in issue #3.
 
 
Aertho
15:53 / 10.03.06
Yeah, the omegalives were overlapping existences, like magically-induced "specific individual" Hypertime... All took place in DCU's main timestream, but partially negated themselves at each rerun. Like Donna Troy's Dark Angel curse. That plurality was muy confusioso, though. I'd crumple most of the adventures away as being reruns of alternate timelines, but the issue three overlaps would negate the other books...

I'd still like to build a definitive timeline of Shilo's consciousness, but that may be moot.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
22:11 / 10.03.06
I'm wondering if OMEGA might be his Quippoth (sp?)

I'm more inclined to think that OMEGA is the audience.
 
 
Aertho
22:26 / 10.03.06
How'd you get there?
 
 
Aertho
23:02 / 10.03.06
The Beastmaster is convinced that 7S is Morrison's strategic attack on Moore. Oracle/Aurakles = Moore. All bald characters, ever written by Morriosn = Morrison.
 
 
This Sunday
00:51 / 11.03.06
I knew something was funny with that 'Hill Street Blues' comment, but, then, I realized how fun a young Johnny Depp playing everybody's favorite witchboy could be and got distracted. Surprised there isn't more 7Soldiers fanta-casting going around. Somebody had a really on-the-head call for Guardian, w/photo and all... and the new Z-kit is particularly Misty, but there's so many to go. Someone must have ideas and the desire to start a thread solid for that.
 
 
smurph
17:49 / 11.03.06
Re-read all four issues last night. The repeated dialog in the interior-of-the-event-horizon scenes in issues one and four led me to the idea that they were the same scene. Metron : "Be safe in my Mobius Chair." The series would then be a mobius strip, with Shilo running through seven days worth of initiation-into-the-mysteries and ending up exactly where he started.
 
 
Aertho
18:57 / 11.03.06
So, when exactly does everyone feel Shilo was put into the Omega Sanction?

Provided any/all life narratives were Omega lives, including time at the Slab, straightjacket sundaes, suburban jewish grandpa, and infinite crisis issue 4 cameo... at what point was he "infected" with Omega?

Cause right now, I'm thinking all Oracle did was kill him, and send him into his Omegalife as supercelebrity Mr. Miracle. Oracle's similar big-hair appearance to Omega might just be coincidental...
 
  

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