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7 Soldiers: Mister Miracle

 
  

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Andrew Hickey
21:31 / 17.03.06
Hi, first post here so be gentle...
Did anyone else notice the simillarities between this issue and Best Man Fall from The Invisibles?
 
 
Aertho
21:37 / 17.03.06
No no. I would entertain a discussion on the "blackening" of the Fourth World in this mini.

And I can understand the points you raise upthread —which I'd argue, but I'm off to the gym. Ta!
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:39 / 17.03.06
Welcome back, hero-war fans! Current score after a rash first strike and the kind of horrible fumble they'll be playing over and over in slomo:

Mister Miracle plus host of clever ppl: 2347

Miss Wonderstarr: -40
 
 
Aertho
21:39 / 17.03.06
Re: Best Man Fall

I recognized them, yes. And? How do you feel about the similarities? What do you feel it meant?

PS Miss W... Klarion's Blue to Orange, and MM is Orange to Green.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:41 / 17.03.06
Klarion's Blue to Orange, and MM is Orange to Green.

This makes them sound like... Willy Wonka sucky-sweets, or those nappies that change colour when the baby wees.
 
 
Aertho
21:43 / 17.03.06
Perhaps you can reclaim some yardage if you present your ideas regarding the fleshsuit race change?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
22:06 / 17.03.06
I don't promise much but I will have to read 1-4 and give it the old Princeton try.
 
 
Aertho
22:55 / 17.03.06
Coolio.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
23:10 / 17.03.06
Here are some observations about "blackness" in Mister Miracle, bearing in mind that I haven't read any previous Mister Miracle, and don't know very much about the New Gods.

1. Perhaps something could be made of the "dark side" as evil motif -- the parallel with another cosmic war, Lucas' Jedi conflicts, made more obvious by splitting Darkseid's name. "The dark side won. The choice is simple. Free the bright ones or be slaves to the dark". (#1) The association of black with evil, light with goodness in these space operas perhaps perpetuates a hoary old racial binary, and perhaps that's problematised here by having a black man recruited to the light side. The New Gods mythology does seem to acquire slightly different echoes when an African-American engages with it: "the Black Racer tells it like it is. You've attracted unwelcome attention from the dark side." (#1) And again, Shilo's blackness (as opposed to what would seem a "normal", and thus invisible ethnicity in a white superhero) draws attention to skin colour in the chess game that bridges the first two issues: "White supermagnetic force to black gravity." (#2) Even "the long, black sedan, the sound of the bone beatbox" have ethnic overtones if you're (oversensitively?) attuned to it. Even the black hole?

2. It struck me on first reading how Shilo isn't revealed as black for some time in #1 -- and as black superheroes are still relatively uncommon, an African-American man under a hero mask is still a slight revelation. Until precisely halfway through, his ethnicity is hidden. On the page that first shows him out of costume, he and ZZ seems to be putting on upper-class (white) British accents (or white Southern gentlemen?) before Morrison brings in a "black" American voice, connoted through phrasing like "how long we been friends", "that don't make you immune", "how you gonna escape from yourself?", even (I'd suggest) "mm-hmm". Shilo was advertised as David Blaine meets P Diddy, and he's clearly meant to have a hip-hop celebrity lifestyle. Mother Box is restyled as Motherboxxx along those lines -- so an aspect of New God mythology has already been tweaked as (I suggest) "black", in that Motherboxxx is surely a name meant to evoke hip-hop and grafitti culture, and so to suit Shilo's role in that (mostly black) community. He's not just a black hero -- he's part of a specific sphere of black American culture. His friends are black. His girl is black. Their names, I would say -- Lashina, Jonelle -- are meant to sound specifically black American.

3. So when the New Gods turn up, surely they're just blending in like Morpheus does in Neil Gaiman -- adapting to fit their environment. Orion is in a black fleshsuit because it makes sense to have one black man among a group of 8 homeless people in this city. Who can say if there's something about a rich black man selling out in the sequence where Orion pushes Shilo away, saying "we ain't your people", and Shilo subsequently muses "down in the dirt there was brotherhood and community." (#2) Darkseid as Marcellus Wallace is a god adopting a cultural suit that he knows will fly -- the big black man as gangster. It's a stereotype, but it's a better disguise than him trying to carry out his agenda while looking like, say, the 15 year old milk-white kid from American Idol. It seems quite possible too that Desaad suits up in disguise as black because he realises Shilo's most trusted confidantes and crew are black. Not beyond plausibility that a successful, troubled, slightly paranoid black professional would feel more comfortable talking about his fears and letting his guard down to another black professional, instead of a white.

4. In issue 3 there are further issues about skin. Baron Bedlam, as a white, blond plastic person, has "got himself right under your skin." Jonelle: "there's this new cosmetic thing that makes your skin like enamel." In Bulleteer, smartskin invited analogies with pornography and the representation of women. Here, perhaps, it might hint at skin lightening, at cosmetic efforts to disguise your own ethnicity? (Michael Jackson)? "We all had it done. Jonelle too." Bedlam's role could perhaps be seen as colonising and conquering. "I'm going to take everything that's yours... and make it mine." He's all surface as a model and just one of an Aryan army, tools of Darkseid -- but Darkseid is also wearing a superficial "skin", only disguised, like Desaad, as a black man. So, white villains, fronting as black, have infiltrated this black community and are science-fiction enslaving them. Interesting perhaps that the anti-life equation is a black speech balloon.

5. An interesting moment, in this light, when Shilo staggers past the Guardian and his partner, with the caption "self = dark side."

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I wonder if in these terms the title carries connotations, above all, of sell-out and loss of ethnic identity, of whites cynically appropriating black styling, mannerism, fashion and culture for their own ends (superficially, as a plastic product, rather than in any way sharing the experience) -- whether Shilo's sense of self, loss of self, battle for self does have particular meaning because he's a black man (which is emphasised in terms of culture, not just colouring). His triumph in issue 4 seems to come through facing up to issues of past, family -- depicted as a poor black neighborhood (his brother's death presumably a result of those cultural conditions) -- through memories of him working up through the ranks to warden -- through coming back to grips with a life entirely different from his isolated, flat and alienating celebrity sphere of issue #1.

"Remove those CHAINS you wear. Become what you were BORN to be."

Yes, I think ethnicity has something to do with it.
 
 
Aertho
23:50 / 17.03.06
And your feelings on designer drug use? Consumerism? The Female Furies becoming whores, strippers, and presumedly video dancers? Decadence, or commentary on something else?

Music played a significant role as well. Bedlam Beat is described as a living wavelength a "cheap" replicating copy. Sampling?

What does Glasgow think of Detroit?
 
 
LDones
23:57 / 17.03.06
Well put, Wundervacs.

The slavery imagery/ideas in the first issue were always interesting to me, then taken into gangster stereotypes, ugly poverty, violence, and indifference to life.

I think there's definitely a great deal of thematic placement in the MM mini about being trapped by perspectives on identity. Trapped by cliche, by our own inflexible perspectives on who we're supposed to be.

I don't know that he has any answers, or that he even pretends to, but Morrison's certainly doing a lot of commentary on black stereotypes in MM; though I think his portrayal of the emotional triumph of black, Jewish Shilo Norman is great, and mostly free of the baggage of stereotyped blackness.

The Darkseid-As-Marcellus Wallace thing bugged me until I got to the notion that it isn't exactly in Darkseid's interest to adopt a healthy image in the world to test/destroy Shilo.
 
 
Mario
00:27 / 18.03.06
There's another possibility, of course.

The New Gods take flesh suits relevant to the area they are incarnated in. Shilo, for whatever reason, is part of an African-American community, and the gods of Apokalips take forms that allow them to interact smoothly with that community. If it was Tokyo instead, they'd all be Asian.

Oh, and based on the names they used, Shilo & ZZ were aping New Orleans types, not English or Southern. And you are pretty stuck with B&W color imagery when playing chess (unless you prefer red & white )
 
 
LDones
00:38 / 18.03.06
Oh, I don't think anyone's discounting the simple fact they're trying to blend in to Shilo's environment. But the other thematic notions alongside thatt still apply.
 
 
Aertho
00:42 / 18.03.06
"Black", the colour, is not equal to the skin colour of those of African descent. This may go without saying, but it's a peeve of mine. Black and White chess peices doesn't translate to the Caucasion Persuasion up against African America. "Race" doesn't genetically exist, but culturally, it does. Light, or white(the colour), may equal correct in contexts, but does not equal skin tones with a decreased melanin count. Vice versa with "black" being dark and wrong. I just hate those arguments that position all that is connotatively evil with all that is described as Black. Again, it may go without saying...

But I don't think Morrison was using black vs white coloured items to convey his themes as commentary on race relations. If anything, it was another Dane challenge, wherein Shilo saw through the game in the end to make friends with his captor and fellow prisoner. (!)

Maybe it was a commentary on race relations...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
06:20 / 18.03.06
Thanks for the comments above.

Black", the colour, is not equal to the skin colour of those of African descent. This may go without saying, but it's a peeve of mine. Black and White chess peices doesn't translate to the Caucasion Persuasion up against African America. "Race" doesn't genetically exist, but culturally, it does. Light, or white(the colour), may equal correct in contexts, but does not equal skin tones with a decreased melanin count. Vice versa with "black" being dark and wrong. I just hate those arguments that position all that is connotatively evil with all that is described as Black.

I'm not sure if you're suggesting that anyone on here, or in the comic, was saying that. Black doesn't actually describe the skin color of many people, although it may come close in some cases, and the same is true of white. However, culturally the words do carry among their meanings connotations of "Caucasoid" and "Africoid" ethnicities (I hope these are acceptable terms: I just looked 'em up) and I think if you have an African-American superhero (a rare figure) involved in a chess game, in a comic that seems to invite a reading of symbolic levels, it's not unreasonable to think it might come into the comic's commentary on "race".

The idea of "black" often being aligned with bad stuff in our language and stories (black knight, black mark) is precisely what I was saying Mister Miracle might be problematising by having a white man disguised as a black man as the villain (dark side), and a black man seeking (apparently) his history as a black man* in order to free himself into the "light". But perhaps this does still leave those poles of dark=bad, light=good intact. They could have been challenged, ie. Shilo asking Metron what was up with the "dark side" being something he should avoid and flee from.
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*by which I mean that, as above, Shilo's history seemed shaped in some way by his ethnicity -- growing up in a black area, which reflected the social disadvantages that may be bound up with ethnicity in the US, and in most of those lives (real or false) surrounded by black friends and family.
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Inevitably, by being forced back to read MM #1-4, I do find it more interesting now.

I still maintain that it's an inconsistent series within Seven Soldiers, though. Perhaps that can be resolved with the next big issue. It comes across to me now like Kid Eternity -- an intriguing experiment whose intelligence was probably hampered by clumsy expression, and a self-contained GM exercise with a character rather than a successful part of a maxi-series.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:59 / 18.03.06
Bah, didn't like this one much, for most of the reasons Miss Wonderstar pointed out.

Just wondering, the other New Gods being still trapped, how many New Gods are there, discounting Metron. Seven perhaps? Are the Seven Mystery Men of Slaughter Swamp the other New Gods? What about the renegade Mystery Man? Orion?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:07 / 18.03.06
Is there a DCU location for the superjail where Shilo worked? Am I right in understanding it wasn't something that Morrison made up for this miniseries? I'm just wondering if there's a connection between this and the massive underground room in Klarion and Guardian.
 
 
Mario
17:01 / 18.03.06
The Slab was a pre-existing part of the DCU (and the setting for much of Last Laugh). Originally on an island off the NJ coast, it was forcibly relocated to the Antarctic as the result of the aforementioned crossover. It's not impossible that it was later moved back.

Not even close to the subways, tho (that would be a remarkably silly place to put a prison for super-villains, even for comics )
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:09 / 18.03.06
Well, they put Arkham Asylum outside Gotham, rather than somewhere remote like the surface of the sun or something.
 
 
X-Himy
21:49 / 18.03.06
I believe that they moved the Slab because some supervillain with magnetic powers was jokerized, and then because the magnetic pole of the world. Thus, moving him would fuck it all up.
 
 
Grady Hendrix
15:04 / 21.03.06
I don't know from hyper-sigils, and my responses to comics are more emotional than intellectual, so I'm hopelessly out of my depth in this thread, but I just read MISTER MIRACLE #4 and it made me really hate the SEVEN SOLDIERS miniseries.

As a kid, my grandmother had a bunch of old comic books for me and my cousins and there were two issues of MISTER MIRACLE in there. This was, I think, 70's MM and I loved it. Trippy and weird, which I didn't like, but that costume and those flying discs and all those gadgets were great and to a kid the idea of a hero whose talent was to escape resonated like the Liberty Bell struck with a piledriver: escape school, homework, chores, your hometown. It was heady stuff and while the comics didn't live up to it, it was enough to make me feel drunk on pulp every time I re-read those two issues, although what I was really doing was poring over individual panels rather than reading them front to back. I still couldn't tell you what they were about, but I remember everything that Mister Miracle promised to an 8 year old kid.

Later on when I picked up the JUSTICE LEAGUE with Mister Miracle I was bummed out by how little time he got. The art was wonderful but gradually the slapstick built up like layers of plaque and turned what had been a character who had been like an unlocked door into a hallucinatory new dimension into a sub-Marx Brothers clown. Nothing wrong with jokes, and I generally think there aren't enough of them in comics, but the line between an inspired joke and an uninspired joke is a thick one and impossible to cross with cut-rate material. All the things that made me happy about MM - his derring do, his choice to be married and "captured" by another person, his funk-tabulous costume - were there but it was like a Stepford Wife on the fritz: it looked right, but it was walking in circles and spurting smoke.

I had about zero interest in the new MM, especially when I saw the merry-go-round of artists and had previously discovered that he was going to be black. Usually I can't stand how black characters are handled in comics. Instead of being people they often wind up being little more than tokens. There are exceptions, but to me they prove the rule, and I decided I would stay away from Morrison's MM. Then I picked up issue 2 and was intrigued, issue 3 and was hooked, and issue 4 and was really moved.

Shilo Norman (that's his name, right? You can tell I'm not a careful reader) was absolutely normal and his MM personality was either a coping fantasy or an alternate dream life that reflected what was going on around him. As the series progressed I realized that this was a depiction of life as a prison that had to be escaped and as a guy struggling to make a living in New York, struggling to make a marriage work, struggling to get through the day at times I could really relate. The fact that Miracle was black actually added to the character rather than detracted from him in my eyes, giving him a more believable career as a live performance celebrity in a world where hip hop is king, and also carrying the unspoken implication of being descended from slaves who lived in bondage (I'm assuming the character is American). It was a neat touch and one that wasn't overplayed.

In the fourth issue I couldn't make sense of all of it, but the ideas were fresh and I got just enough of each of them to create an effect. I can't explain it, but I "got" the Life Trap. I "got" what was going on in an emotional way, but I'd probably make a hash of it if I tried to explain what I thought it all meant. Was it a cheat? Maybe as a study in plot construction and watertight writing, but emotionally the story made sense and I guess I'm willing to forgive excess, loose ends, and inconsistencies as long as the story moves me. And this moved me.

And then I got to that last page: "A Soldier will die! Will it be Mister Miracle?" screeched the hucksters at DC. There was something tacky about the way this comic that I liked so much was forced into a shoe that didn't quite fit, and something almost offensive about the way a comic celebrating life ends with a blaring sales pitch aimed at the basest instincts of comics fans, the ultimate devalued event in comics: someone will die! Shocking! Death is easy in comics, and interests me about as much as Spider-Man's new costume. It's easy to ignore this in most places, but to have a shrieking editor standing on the last page of this particular comic, slavering over the death of a fictional character and hoping to appeal to the lustmord of the readers was one of the tackiest things I've ever seen in a comic book (I skipped most comics in the 90's and have never read anything by a lot of the Image guys, so maybe my reference point for tacky is lacking).

Great comic, and I wish it hadn't needed an event to make the sales, because I don't think it particularly fit the event. Will people study this comic in years to come? Will it live for the ages in trade paperback? Don't know and don't care. But what I do know is that if I'd found this in a pile of musty, wrinkled old comics back when I was 8 I wouldn't have understood what was going on, but I would have understood what it was saying: you have to escape the life trap. And I like to think that I would have been just as fascinated then as I am now.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:28 / 21.03.06
Grady: And then I got to that last page: "A Soldier will die! Will it be Mister Miracle?" screeched the hucksters at DC. There was something tacky about the way this comic that I liked so much was forced into a shoe that didn't quite fit, and something almost offensive about the way a comic celebrating life ends with a blaring sales pitch aimed at the basest instincts of comics fans, the ultimate devalued event in comics: someone will die! Shocking! Death is easy in comics, and interests me about as much as Spider-Man's new costume.

Intriguing that you thought that, considering the cover of this particular comic has an image of Shilo's tombstone and his empty, useless mask on the cover. But, yeah, death is an empty threat: the ultimate trap for the ultimate escape artist. Seven Soldiers is a love song for the sixties and seventies (particularly, oddly, at Marvel), when Stan Lee's hucksterism was a key selling point and that's mirrored in the "Will it be ______" ending of each of the books.

Death is commodified but merely another obstacle or aspect of life (Zatanna's met her dead father and gained knowledge; Shilo "died" and woke up in a Mother Coffin to escape the life trap; Franky's built out of dead body parts; Klarion can tell you the exact hour and nature of your death as a party trick), and the huckster voice is there to ask: have we done our job? Do you care if _____ lives or dies? Have we made you care enough about hir? It's shameless but it harkens back to another time (along with all the other nostalgia). The death in Seven Soldiers is telegraphed and foregrounded as an initiation rite and an act of some importance which undermines an actual attempt at shock value (each book ends with the question, and these are all c-list characters initially that could be on the chopping block).
 
 
Grady Hendrix
16:54 / 21.03.06
I guess to me the cover was so well done ("Free at Last" was particularly loaded and great) that I thought it was more symbolic than literal.

Your argument is a fair one, and on reflection I think you're right and I can appreciate that with my higher brain. But the instinctual part of my bowl of grey porridge that was emotionally connected to this story when I read it felt really jarred by the sudden insertion of irony and self referentiality in a story that had otherwise been so sincere. It felt a little like a "Psych!" moment. You know, "I'll teach you to take this comic book seriously by making wee wee on your silly sentiments."
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:35 / 21.03.06
Think about it like this: equal parts sincerity and irony in life. I dare you to go read the Zatanna sequence and not feel the same way about her finding her dad as Shilo in Mister Miracle. One thing I enjoy about the Seven Soldiers is the multiple emotions/layers/modes, and irony can work beautifully with sincerity.
 
 
Robert B
18:39 / 24.03.06
Just read issue 4. I'm probably in the minority but I think this is one of my favorite Seven Soldier books. Guardian and Bulleteer are great super-hero books and both deserve a monthly but something about Mr. Miracle really captured me. I mean, it was almost like Morrison was channeling Kirby and then successfully re-invented the New Gods. It was Kirby cosmic wierdness made modern. I seriously hope that Grant's comments in recent interviews alluding to New Gods seeing some action translate into him doing more stuff with them.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
12:12 / 28.03.06
"Hey, feel free to drop your paper in whichever thread you feel's appropriate - Zatanna?"

Sadly (well, not really sadly), I've already sold electronic publication rights, but I'll throw up a link when it becomes available. It was pretty much a Zatanna/Promethea lovefest. And I'll be back with more content soon-ish... I've been buried in work since I got home last week.

I think there's some really interesting things going on with race in this discussion, though.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:34 / 23.04.06
>> And Dina Bell is from Last Laugh.

That lame Joker crossover, you mean?? Wow, Morrison (or one of the editors) actually saw fit to use a character from that storyline?

*chuckles at "Alan Moore-akles" line*
 
 
FinderWolf
01:36 / 23.04.06
So Scott Free is really Mister Miracle II, if Thaddeus Brown is MM I? Making our Shilo no. III of course...I guess Thaddeus taught Scott Free or something, perhaps in original Kirby-created issues...? Off to Google...
 
 
This Sunday
02:38 / 23.04.06
Mister Miracle the First is in the very first issue of 'Mister Miracle' (oh, how appropriate!), wherein he passes on his stage name to Scott Free. And also Oberon, and presumably, the place our Christ the Escaper lives.

What's weird is how long it took to get Barda around. It's hard for me to consider MM by himself, or just him and Oberon. And was there ever a Big Bardalike in this mini? I can't remember and can't get to the issues.
 
 
Mario
02:38 / 23.04.06
Not really. Scott met Thaddeus in Mister Miracle #1 (he was watching while Thaddeus and Oberon rehearsed an escape). When TB was later killed by a mob boss, Scott used his costume (and some tricks from Apokalips) in order to bring his killer to justice. Oberon convinced him to take the mantle (as an escape artist... the hero stuff was basically a sideline )
 
 
Mario
19:04 / 04.05.06
So I'm thinking about Shilo. There was only a brief cameo of him in 8C #5, and he was the only Soldier not to show up in #7. And the only real reason we identified the Mister Miracle in #5 as Shilo in the first place was the glowy costume lines.

So the hint seems to be that yes, Shilo will be the one to die. Which is unfortunate, in a way, since he and Zatanna are the only pre-existing Soldiers in the series. But I'm thinking it might not be that simple.

The key question is the one from Mister Miracle #4, which is "what is the REAL Shilo's life?" Is it Shilo Norman, famous magician? Or Shilo Norman, Slab warden? The ending of the issue doesn't really say, since it ends without tying into the overall plot.

I'm starting to wonder if there may be an appearance by Scott Free after all. What if the Shilo Norman we're seeing in the mini (except for the Slab scenes) isn't Shilo as avatar of Scott Free, but Scott Free as Shilo Norman?

What if Scott built a shell personality (a la Mister Six/Brian Malcolm) to escape from the forces of Darkseid, using Shilo as a model? And the death in SS #1 is the death of that persona (see Invisibles v1 #24).

There's some textual support for this idea, because the last time the Anti-Life Equation was used in a comic was in the Simonson ORION series... and the only person who was immune to it then was Scott Free (because he already HAD the Equation)
 
 
smurph
04:58 / 05.05.06
Interesting theory. The coversation between Aurakles and Shilo in MM#4 led me to think Shilo (Scott?) might be the one to die. Aurakles says "Made Vast... And Heavy... Broken in the torture chambers of the Sheeda at Summer's End..." and "Thou hast learned to run also... from THY responsibility to the cosmos... Thou Art Lost, As I am. Only set me free and break this chain." and "Wilt Thou Give thy life that Aurakles might save us all? Wilt thou give they life for me?"

This lead me to imagine a scene in SS #1 where Mister Miracle stages a rescue mission to Summers End to free Aurakles from the Sheeda. Possibly re-uniting Aurakles with the sword from Shining Knight. Possibly dying in the process.

Of course, another part of me wonders how worried we should be about a soldier dying in a series that also contains a cauldron that brings the dead back to life...
 
 
Triplets
06:10 / 05.05.06
Lazarus Pit in a can!

I wonder if it means Shilo's old/mundane/fake life will be the one to go, to die, so that he might return to New Genesis...
 
 
Mario
10:42 / 05.05.06
Do you mean Shilo, or Scott-as-Shilo? Because I don't think Shilo has ever BEEN to New Genesis, for more than a brief issue, anyway.
 
  

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