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7 Soldiers: Mister Miracle

 
  

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A
22:57 / 15.09.05
You might say he's "rushin'" to the top of the comic book charts, daddy-o.
 
 
Aertho
22:40 / 16.09.05
All this Motherboxxx talking... something about Grant talking about externalized consciences, he was talking about Shining Knight, but the rationale holds true throughout.

Ystin = Vanguard
Jake = Ed Stargard / The Guardian
Zatanna = Misty
Klarion = Teekl
Shiloh = Motherboxxx

I was going to reverse it in the case of Zatanna and Misty, in that Zee talks so much and is so protective toward her... but Zee is just projecting her idealized "innocent" self onto Misty in the first place. Misty acts as Zee's conscience just being nearby.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
01:09 / 20.09.05
SEVEN SOLDIERS: MISTER MIRACLE #2
Written by Grant Morrison
Art by Billy Dallas Patton
Cover by Pasqual Ferry
The deadly snares of evil gods are closing around Shilo Norman, as one young man's troubled soul becomes the battleground of epic forces in Part 2 of Grant Morrison's psychedelic sci-fi adventure! Shilo Norman - a super-rich, super-famous, super escape artist - has become an unwitting pawn in the deadly Game of the Gods! As Metron, the Traveller and Death, The Black Racer, gamble for his very existence, Mister Miracle must somehow survive the "Drive-By Derby"! And even if he outwits the Man-Eating Cars of Apokolips, is he ready - are you ready? - for the soul-destroying terror known only as Dark Side?
On sale December 7 o 2 of 4 o 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US
 
 
A
15:36 / 20.09.05
 
 
Aertho
15:59 / 20.09.05
How'd Shiloh get magickal New God powers? I mean, his costume lights up and covers his lips. If he ain't magic, that's rilly uncomfortable.
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
16:38 / 20.09.05
I assume he has New God tech (well, we know he has, cause he has a Motherboxxx) and pretty much most of the New Gods powers are tech anyway, not magic.
 
 
The Falcon
20:43 / 20.09.05
Yeah, he was Scott Free's assistant and stuff. I'm sure he'd've got a loanae New Genesis tech.
 
 
FinderWolf
21:29 / 20.09.05
Aaah...the truth revealed on the change of artist here...

from a Newsrama article today on breaking Marvel news:

>> Pasqual Ferry was officially named as a Marvel exclusive, as well as being the artist on the upcoming Ultimate Iron Man II miniseries, as well as an upcoming Ultimate FF/X-Men two issue crossover.
 
 
FinderWolf
12:37 / 21.09.05
That logo is a bit ugly, though, no?
 
 
Aertho
12:43 / 21.09.05
Yeah, it's not my favorite. Mister Miracle the masthead looks snazzy cool - like "Motherboxxx", so I guess it makes sense.

My fave so far's been Zatanna. Would say Klarion, but ...too much.
 
 
Aertho
16:30 / 21.09.05
Got mine.

PESTILENCE

Seems Grants playing the New Gods as exactly that. Not so much alien sooperheroes with Biblical similarities as much as solid, contemporary archetype variants with lovely supersuits. Which is what I suppose they were always inteded to be, but... I don't like it when they go and join the JLA.

Seems Shiloh's in therapy, a bit like Zee, only without the performance anxiety.

Love how Metron's the Devil, Dark Side is Satan, and Black Racer is Despair/Death. Finally, a good distinction between Challenge, Evil, and The End. Most times writers mix all three and get a schizoid "Adversary". The ladies of Apokolips are lusty demons, as they always were. Why all this on Shiloh? Why not others like Scott or Orion?

The satire-celebrity stuff is thick and drips cliché. So there it is.
 
 
Mario
20:46 / 21.09.05
Why Shiloh? Because he's human. And humanity has the potential to do what the Gods failed to.

I'm wondering how Darkseid's victory ties into the whole Sheeda thing.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
20:46 / 21.09.05
I guess I was spoiled what with all the sheer interconnectedness of the last few installments, but I was pretty let down by this. Yes, I know, the first issues of all four previous serieses were exactly the same in terms of stand-alonedness, but, well, I guess I just wish he'd released all the number ones, then all the number twos, then all the, well you get the picture. After the high highs of poring over every last detail in the later issues of the first four serieses and figuring out how it all ties in, going back to another number one with so little to do with the overarching story was a bit of a let down to be honest. I suppose it's the nature of this kind of narrative beast. When it's all read together, I'll probably appreciate it more. Gotta give it another read, because, to be honest, my first SS reads are usually just reconnisance.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
23:44 / 21.09.05
I was initially let down that there weren't more obvious connections, but shortly thereafter was excited to know that we get to see how all of this ties into What Has Gone Before. I get the feeling that we might see a bit more of a high-end perspective on the whole situation in this book.

And I love Grant's treatment of the New Gods here... they come off more as GODS than Thor-esque Godlike Superbeings.
 
 
Aertho
23:48 / 21.09.05
Anybody else REALLY disappointed with the art?
 
 
LDones
00:17 / 22.09.05
Die for Darkseid, that takes me back.

7S is really pure Vitamin-D Morrison concentrate, lots of his themes laid bare in plain language.

There's on ongoing theme in all of these books so far about the struggle between fantastic ideas of fairytales/religion/destiny/magic/myth and the notion of ultimate material fallibility, blood and mud and meat leaving heat, as Neh-Buh-Loh says.

Life is fated, by grand design of warring gods, or just a roll of the die with no meaning beyond our own minds. I'd say these things are very much in keeping with the themes of'growing up' we've seen thus far (the challening and breaking down of illusions as circumstance compromises you, or creating new, more elaborate illusions to clothe yourself and your life in in the face of extreme stress), and will likely present a more macro view of the 7S series and its ideas.

Eager to see Morrison's latest grand thematic take on the New Gods and Darkseid/Dark Side.


Couple of things)

Weird transitions at a couple spots. What is that glowing orb that Gaylord holds in front of Shiloh's face for a few panels? What is the psychiatrist eating that dribbles down his face that looks like a Duracell battery - just an oddly rendered cherry-filled candybar or is that blood?

What city are they in? Is that the LexCorp tower?

There must have been some script changes midway through #1. I recall old interviews/solicitations mentioning a vision from a comic book hitting old Shiloh, and that beautiful, big splash page had its art changed from this.


(Larger version available here (Please don't spread the link around outside this forum))

Like the cute throwaway about escaping from the second dimension.


Reserving any opinion on the replacement artist until I've seen his stuff in the book, but after this I'll definitely miss Ferry's work. Very interesting.
 
 
LDones
00:24 / 22.09.05
Sorry about the width, mods, I thought I'd sized it right.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
02:33 / 22.09.05
benjamin: yes. agree wholeheartedly. same feeling i had reading it. it seemed really...separated.

chad: definitely. the art was really...spotty, and I felt like it it kept changing styles every page or so.

overall, I wasn't as impressed with this issue as I have been with every single other 7S issue. there was just something off about it...
 
 
Mark Parsons
02:41 / 22.09.05
Thought Ferry's glowing art perfectly suited Shiloh/MM/New Gods. Loved the apparent impending cnxn between Sheeda and Dark Side (?). After so many culminations with the other series, I welcomed the first-gear change of pace. Another slow burn step into 7S. I wonder if the new artist/colorist will try and preserve Ferry's incandescent palette?

Does anybody recall ever seeing/hearing a mother box speak before? Is this a first?
 
 
Aertho
03:23 / 22.09.05
I DID like the coloring. Loose blotchy swaths of hue with computer texturizers overlaid made for a very appropriate read. Almost thought Shiloh was stoned throughout the issue. Maybe he was.

But while the coloring was great, i felt the art was WAY too loose. I'd seen better art by Ferry in that one off for Tom Strong. TOM STRONG! Not that it's a bad thing, but this is Seven Soldiers, Pascal! Tighten it up. Anybody that caught Ferry's work in that old Warlock series knows what I'm talking about.

I felt let down as well. This issue was not All That.
 
 
Mark Parsons
05:38 / 22.09.05
"Anybody that caught Ferry's work in that old Warlock series knows what I'm talking about."

What, that one written by Greg Pak?
 
 
A
06:10 / 22.09.05
So the Black Wheelchair Racer is one of the the Seven Unknown Men?
 
 
The Falcon
12:20 / 22.09.05
Humm, maybe...

Don't really agree about the pacing 'n' placement, Ben. I expected this to be fresh and slightly unbound, given it's a #1, and given that MG#4 wrapped up the major plot point of the Newsboys at the midway stage (pt.15 of 30.)

Frankly it's a pretty exciting prospect for me to have the New Gods chucked in, well - anywhere, given they're my fave-o Kirby kreations. I think this compares favourably with the two prior revisions done, on Klarion and Guardian, and I've actually read the original in this case, which you'd think'd diminish it somewhat.

Chad: I think Zatanna's is the only font I approve of. MG's is not objectionable, but the rest are either dull (SK) or overwrought.
 
 
The Falcon
12:23 / 22.09.05
For anyone with a notion of NG lore, too - psychotherapist = Desaad, p'raps?
 
 
Aertho
12:59 / 22.09.05
Hmm. I dunno. Does DeSaad bleed from the mouth?

furioso:



I think it's cause Ferry worked alone, and didn't have an inker.
 
 
Aertho
13:08 / 22.09.05
So the Black Wheelchair Racer is one of the the Seven Unknown Men?

Is that a joke?

The "Wheelchair Racer" is Walker.

Clever pun, that.
 
 
Mario
14:18 / 22.09.05
Not so sure about that one...Willie Walker was a quadriplegic (while this one can move his arms), and this version of the Racer looked white. However, there's evidence that the Racer has more than one host, so it's not a major problem.
 
 
Mark Parsons
16:04 / 22.09.05
Thanks Chad. I had no idea Ferry had been around "so long." I tried that Warlock series (and Machien Man and Deathlok), but it never caught my interest.

I'm curious as to why Ferry was unable to get farther than issue 1 and the cover to issue 2. I know he did Adam Strange, but still...

Rreplacing an artist a few weeks prior to debuting a title seem to be cutting things a bit thin. Anybody have any info?
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:55 / 22.09.05
As mentioned above it seems ferry jumped (or was pushed) off after closing an exclusive with Marvel.

I read the Boxxx line as part of the sound distortion effect that was happening while MM approached the mini black hole. Later on he's saying Muuuuuuuuuuuutttttttttteeeeeeeerrrrrrr Buuxxxxxxxxxxx or something to that effect.

I did enjoy how the New Gods have adopted new forms (fiction suits) to make their appearance here on Earth.

I agree that the interior art seemed a bit rushed or Loose, I suppose there was a heavy reliance on the CGI.

Seems as though S.T.A.R. labs have stumbled accross BOOM TUBE technology.... at least the very first steps towards it.

I wonder how much the dialogue, in this issue, reflected the style of dialogue Kirby himself was reputed to use on his New Gods series, as mentioned by Solitaire to the Rose
    "The scripting is up for a LOT of debate...I have heard some people who knew Kirby say that his characters spoke like that because HE spoke like that, others have called it "word jazz", and some people have said the scripting is painful."
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
17:00 / 22.09.05
Pascal - who's been around for a long while - is now exclusive do Marvel, but apparently didn't tell DC before hand.
 
 
Shrug
20:49 / 23.09.05
I know nothing about The New Gods so I'll beg your forgiveness now.

Motherboxx: Ping Ping Ping or as I was saying Shilo. I worry so much about you.... and now it's finally happening. Like I knew it had to...

That void in your soul is to be filled but you will have to be so strong to bear it... you never knew what I was but I was your best friend. Shilo, even when your alone and far from home....


There was an old tv series on the BBC where a God was changed into a mortal child (or something only an enviroment like dank eighties/nineties Britain would train him successfully enough to defeat his Voldermort analogue) his mother sent his brothers and sisters there too (still retaining their full God-status and as adults) to guide him surreptiously along the way to triumph as his powers re-emerged with new found terrestrial survival traits and moral stamina intact.
Not a battle for his soul exactly an obstacle course? It would be a bit luvly to see the Sheeda as training on the way to something that was really teh cosmic scary.

The title New Godz along with the broken chains in Klarion "there was a god here once, but he's long long gone. He escaped and left us on her. Only his dreadful chains remain" makes me think that MM is chronologically concurrent with Zatanna 1 or possibly extremely previous as if he was always Shilo and always escaping those chains back in primordial history. Although I have just noticed that the Klarion scene is a skewed aerial view of the antechamber in Guardian 2.

Reminiscent of the Iron Man suit too.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
23:00 / 23.09.05
Mr. Tricks: Not just the New Gods, but Granny Goodness has gone and changed colors (or can she do that anyway, I'm not up on the whole outer-space DCU)
As for S.T.A.R Labs boom tube tech, one of the early Superman and Batman comics has Luthor, then President, using a boom-tube to fire a missile at a Kryptonite meteor, so I guess there is Boom-tube stuff on Earth and S.T.A.R seems the most likely candidate to have it.

And the art? I liked it, it was just the right side of nineties Photoshop wankery (Didn't even notice a lens flare filter- bonus!) and it made up for any insufficiencies in the pencilling.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:24 / 23.09.05
Phex: Gods traditionally - at least in the Greco-Roman vein - can change shape at will, and perhaps this is simply Morrison using the New Gods as more God-Like than usual; Granny changing colour doesn't seem that out of step with the idea, even if we haven't seen evidence before. It makes Granny Goodness into more of a trickster figure, which I kind of like. Especially interesting if the psychotherapist turns out to be DeSaad.

Question: the ping-ping-ping to dialogue; is this the first time that Shilo "understands" Mother Box in full, as a full on rapport, or is this just Morrison opening it up for us to hear? I got the sense that this was a new thing, and I had to wonder historically how much Shilo was told by Scott about the New Gods, their technology, et al.

What WAS that shining globe his manager had?

And is Scott Free retired? If this is in fact the main DCU, I wonder where he's at, and why he's not in contact with Shilo anymore. And whatever happened to Thaddeus Brown, I think, the first Mister Miracle, who trained Scott?
 
 
Aertho
00:35 / 24.09.05
Have we considered ther possibility that Scott is Shiloh? I can't even fully put down what I'm thinking...

First: All these books are incredibly thematically different. Storytelling laws that govern how Jake moves in his book don't apply to Ystin or Klarion... So Shiloh's got his own set of rules, and if Meludreen was here, he'd say it'd be religiouz.

So ZZ or Gaylord or whatever certainly resembles Oberon, who served Scott. The Granny Goodness Pimp might just be a lady pimp. The Black Racer might only be a wheelchair guy. Shiloh might actually be tapping into their archetypical forms...

Fuck. Ok. So I'm thinking the DCU's like the Matrix. And these New Gods are present in everything, and can peek through/use people in the DCU to accomplish tasks. The New Gods would be like Agent Smiths, who drop down from the architecture of the Matrix to engage rogue elements... you get the picture. The lady pimp, the whores, the wheelchair guy, the and ZZ are DCU people, but also fictionsuits for higher order entities. Higher order is important... And Shiloh's a DCU person who's a fictionsuit for a New God whose whole existence is to free himself of the Mundane.

Okay, so in SK we dabbled with the idea that Ystin isn't from the past at all, but a higher order plane where things are more dense, more thematic, and more "true". Enveloping universes, like matryoshka dolls. Empire of evil of Summer's End versus Empire of good Camelot Earth surrounds the superhero Clark versus supervillain LexEarth surrounds the simple and similar-to-ours Qwewq Earth. Now we've seen time travel here and universes existing within others, and that travel between them is prevalent - the JLA travel to Qwewq Earth. The TTT brings the Sheeda to the DCU Earth. But the notion of New Gods is another level that we hadn't considered.

What if New Gods are indigenous to a higher order universe that surrounds the universe that the Sheeda are indigenous to? The New Gods resemble superheroes when they drop down fully into the DCU, because that's the level they'd be on = the superhero Earth. In Qwewq, they might manifest as athletes or politicians or celebrities. In Camelot, perhaps as fantastic elemental dragons? Who knows?

Now... I know that's shitting all over established Kirby fun, but Grant is tying the DCU together, and giving old concepts renewed viability. Marvel's Thor looks stupid aand so do most New God supersuits...

So, is Shiloh a DCU-levcel human being imbued with the fictionsuit of the Scott Free SuperConsciousness, projected down from New Genesis/Apokolips? I'll only get a yeah, prolly from this... aarrgh.

I think the psychiatrist is probably Highfather. the psych's rectangular glasses are his biggest character clue. That and his odd choice of leopard print shirt.
 
 
Mario
00:36 / 24.09.05
RE: Luthor's Boom Tube. He actually got it from a treaty with Darkseid.

"Question: the ping-ping-ping to dialogue; is this the first time that Shilo "understands" Mother Box in full, as a full on rapport, or is this just Morrison opening it up for us to hear? I got the sense that this was a new thing, and I had to wonder historically how much Shilo was told by Scott about the New Gods, their technology, et al."

During Mister Miracle v2, Shilo's Mother Box spoke with the voice of Paula Abdul (by his choice). However, I suspect the speech is related to the fact that Shilo was inside the event horizon.

As for the Gods changing...there is actual printed evidence that the bodies we see are not their true forms. So Grant can play the "flesh suit" card, if he likes.
 
  

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