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Big Brother: Revenge of the Sixth.

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Tryphena Absent

21:19 / 15.07.05

I grimaced until she was interviewed and then decided it was perfectly fair treatment of the boring, boring woman.

21:30 / 15.07.05

I actually felt a bit sorry for Vanessa tonight. It must have been horrifyingly scary to face a booing public with little warning. She did not have the usual build up all the other housmates EVAH have had in that they have a week to think about it, and given that she's clearly aware she was dull to watch, it must have felt fairly humiliating.

Also, the whole 'You eat too much' thing was pretty mortifying - whose definition is 'too much' (other than her Mum's), given that she's a lovely shape?

Ha, and true to form because it's about body shape, I am on the Makosi: 'Orlaith hate' side. I agree with Makosi that Orlaith's constant pressure to be aware of what you look like has made Vanessa paranoid, and although I totally support all the Vanessa hate reasons listed here I am not sure that Orlaith to stay in was a sensible public vote.

Vanessa was dull, vapid and a really sneaky uber-bitch but I care even less for Orlaith. She's everything uninteresting about people who use their body to make a living - at least Vanessa was catty and comedically stupid sometimes. Orlaith contributes nothing as far as I can see, other than advising everyone to exercise because telly puts on 10lbs don't you know, and won't we look thin when they see us in real life?

And if she sits on the end of the bed and 'puppy dogs' one more time whilst Team Diva sit in the bed I might actually have to turn BB off for the first time ever.

21:31 / 15.07.05

Crikey. Hell hath no fury like a woman bored.

21:32 / 15.07.05

That is to say, I'm kinda with Lula.

21:34 / 15.07.05

I grimaced while she was sobbing at the table - but, really, she was so thoroughly dull and was so completely divorced from Selfawaria that my meagre pool of sympathy quickly trickled away. Right at the beginning, there was copious Digital Spy grumbling about the fact that Vanetha was a friend of Marco ('Weeping Fagbangle') from last year's BB - implication being, he had somehow tutored her through the selection process.

Not sure I buy that, but it's difficult to see exactly why they did put her into the House. What did they expect her to do?

21:38 / 15.07.05

whose definition is 'too much' (other than her Mum's)

I think the "too much" came with a silent "because you ate the other housemates out of House and home, and that's all you did", rather than a silent "because you're fat".

21:38 / 15.07.05

I'd always thought she must have had a really good audition, but I never saw that tapes so don't know about that. Maybe they just wanted someone really bitchy and divisive, this year seems to be a lot more about making housemates hate each other whereas last year seemed to be about putting them through a nasty time, but together.

21:44 / 15.07.05

whose definition is 'too much'

The entire population of Africa?

21:51 / 15.07.05

I don't know. I think what she said about the 'big characters' thing was fairy self aware. It's all very well being the centre of attention in your little home group and if you have the feeling of being a wicked, funny, vital person because that's what your mates think then you would come across as cock-sure and able to hold your own in an interview. For people like Makosi, Science and Derek, arriving in the BB house must have been fairly easy because they truly are some of the worlds 'Woah!' people, but little old Vanessa thought she was something great and found out she was duller than Milton Keynes.

I admire her for at least seeing that.

And I don't buy the Marco story at all. Endemol are more savvy than that.

Vanessa's dullness and eating all the time issue also makes me go down the whole, 'insecure = eating' road, because food was obviously solace for her. Hence the devastation at being denied access to the luxury food and the inability to cope with that particular punishment.

21:52 / 15.07.05

While I see your point Smoothly, it seems like at least a couple of people in there (stand up Orlaith,) are actually too frightened of Makosi to have risked doing anything to incur her *coff* queenly displeasure.

Vanessa's probably forgotten all about it now though - was her apparently two-faced persona in the house just down to the fact that a lot of the time she couldn't really remember whose 'side' she was supposed to be on ?

22:04 / 15.07.05

The entire population of Africa?

Well yes, if you're willing to give such emotive terms to a fairly weak argument.

I suppose some people might concur that a western girl who eats more than 4 biscuits a day is eating too much and that 'the entire population of Africa' would agree, but personally I wouldn't choose that route as a supposition or a valid reason for debate myself.

I'd be more inclined to examine the reason why someone who appears to be so average managed to get on Big Brother, and I might start to think about the issues I have already outlined, in that in her own circle Vanessa obviously thought she was something special, and therefore it must have been a horrible shock to find herself in a house with people she couldn't 'compete' with.

Hence the big eat.

22:20 / 15.07.05

Fairysnuff I'll admit my reponse was spurious and reading through your arguments of food/sleep* for comfort agree that's a very probable cause behind Vanessa morphing into the gold standard of couch potatism and I'd be interested to know how much Vanessa has lost/gained during her stay.

How long after her Hello! appearence before she disappears forever back to Dullsfuck, Northampton?

*not for a minute buying her ankle was the cause of all that lolling around

22:32 / 15.07.05

And I don't buy the Marco story at all. Endemol are more savvy than that.

Ah, but in his DigitalSpy column he's metioned her name in passing all of twice and strangely enough managed to forget all about her when he was providing his "first impressions" of, supposedly, all the housemates.

What I don't buy is Vanessa crying. That was crocodile tear-tastic. Whenever she'd become 'upset' on previous occasions, she made a big show of sobbing onto the nearest shoulder, then emerged from it with completely dry eyes, make up perfectly intact. See also: tonight's first show, on discovering the truth behind BB's evictions lie. A scream, head buried in Makosi's arms, only to reappear looking as if nothing had happened. I didn't buy any of tonight's performance as honest emotion - check the huge grin on her face when the doors finally opened, after Science had managed to end her and Makosi's performance on the stairs.

Creepy. Empty inside, like a leftover character from a Japanese ghost story.

Horrible, horrible indications that Derek's going to win. And what's worse is that I have absolutely no idea which of these knobbers I'd prefer to win it - it seems a shame that one of them has to, really.

22:37 / 15.07.05

Like Olulabelle, I felt quite a pang for Vanessa during the face-stuffing montages and questioning. People can be funny about food. I bet that hurt more than anything else. I also think that whole evening genuinely devastating for her.

Know what you're saying, Alex, but Makosi's stock must have been in freefall following the results of the public vote, and I'd have thought the bigger picture would come into play. Kemal might have had other reasons for sticking to his guns (although he could have got around it - he only nominated in an attempt to wrong-foot BB by doing the opposite of what he would be expected to do, no?), but he came off at least a little more noble than the rest for resisting the landslide Anthony had set into relentless motion. Votes were merely tokens at that point; he knew that, the audience knew that, Makosi knew that.

23:08 / 15.07.05

Yeah, interesting that started with Anthony - Ok, alphabetical order and so on, but equally, the producers must have known he wasn't all that likely to vote for Makosi, having fathered her child that timw. Similarly, Craig was always going to be following his lead.

23:25 / 15.07.05

I'm sorry but I just can't go with the Marco tutelage angle.

The people who work for Endemol are the cream of the reality TV crop, they're absolutely not going to fall for potential contestants who have been 'tutored' on how to get picked for the programme; thousands of people apply and Endemol producers entire working reason for being is to pick the best 12/13 contestants for the show.

They've watched hours and hours more footage every year than we have (just) and they know the sort of people who would apply inside out.

I'd be very, very suprised if they could be 'played' like that, I think it unlikely in the extreme that they would pick someone who has obviously been spoon fed the details of how to get on Big Brother, and specifically by an ex-contestant writing publically. If Marco doesn't mention Vanessa maybe that's precisely because she was so dull, or maybe he's bigging his part up.

I mean, who is Marco anyway?

Someone remind me...

23:42 / 15.07.05

I think it was actually confirmed that Marco and Vanetha knew each other. I don't buy the 'tutoring through the interviews' angle, though, because it seems to me that one would need a lot more than tutoring to make it to the final selection.

Marco's last year's 'Weeping Fagbangle', the disrespectful dancer, lipgloss bitch, etc., etc.

Disappointing to see how quickly (according to Digital Spy's updates) Makosi got together with Orlaith to bitch about Kemal's voting for Vanessa to stay. I'd hoped Makosi might have a little more nous than that. At this rate, the House is gonna be one big batchelor party soon enough.

23:47 / 15.07.05

Also, I just don't know if tutoring would be that useful (let alone from Marco). I wouldn't have thought contestants have any better idea of why they were chosen than anyone else.

If anyone was given a head-start in the selection it was Maxwell, wasn't it? He was one of the guinnea pigs used in the dry run for BB5.

23:53 / 15.07.05

Pardon? Guinea pigs BB5 dry run?

00:00 / 16.07.05

Yeah, they do a dress rehearsal every year. I believe Maxwell did last year's BB (and I think this year's The Farm).

00:03 / 16.07.05

Yeah. Here, at the bottom.

00:07 / 16.07.05

Well. blimey.

I am astounded.

Serves me right for thinking it was all above board and contestants were picked on the basis of their interview.

If there are dry runs for the shows, what the FUCKING HELL was Vanessa doing in one?

I take it all back.

Tryphena Absent

00:09 / 16.07.05

I'd be more inclined to examine the reason why someone who appears to be so average managed to get on Big Brother

I assume her audition group was just a bad one.

00:19 / 16.07.05

Olulabelle - It's a job, innit. There's always going to be some level of nepotism.
This is partly why I think talk of moles is so ridiculous. They're all in Endemol's employ; they're all moles.

I don't think there's necessarily much of a mystery as to how Vanessa made it in. She might have been great in interview, but not so good in the job. That happens in recruitment, doesn't it.

01:22 / 16.07.05

Well that's what I think - no big conspiracy. Just that she sold her corner well and then turned out to be rubbish.

I'm more interested in her reaction to being rubbish rather than the fact that she was rubbish.

13:54 / 16.07.05

I like the whole Makosi baby thing...

People remember where their child was conceived and name them in memory thereof...
"What am I going to call MY baby? Big Brother Jackuzi?"

I've decided what Moloko's baby should be named and the judges decision is final and no correspondence wil be entered in to...

George.
As in Orwell.

tea and biscuits

14:01 / 16.07.05

I'd have thought that once it got to the point where Vanessa votes had reached a majority (Ie. after halfway round the table), the decent thing to do would have been to vote Makosi

Wasn't the extra!extra twist that the three who did nominate didn't get their votes counted?

As for Vanessa and crocodile tears, I'm not sure about the other nights but you could see her makeup smeared all round her face and especially the eyes when she was talking to Davina in the studio.

14:17 / 16.07.05

Horrible, horrible indications that Derek's going to win. And what's worse is that I have absolutely no idea which of these knobbers I'd prefer to win it - it seems a shame that one of them has to, really.

I read yesterday -no way when I was looking for the BB nominations results on my phone, by the way, that didn't happen -that it's Anthony, then Science, then Derek. I think that even Eugene is ahead of the girls, which is quite a turnaround from when everyone thought Makosi would win.

About the Makosi baby thing -has she actually done her pregnancy test yet? I've been missing BB lots of late, so I'm not that up to date on it...

Regrettable Juvenilia

14:46 / 16.07.05

I feel very conflicted about Makosi's changing fortunes (ie, public popularity). On the one hand, I think since she led the charge against Team Swastika and stomped them into the ground, her victorious campaigns have gone to her head and she's started acting badly - worst of all being her treatment of Kemal. But it seems that a lot of the new animosity towards her is based on "how dare the strumpet indulge her sinful lusts!", an attitude that repulses me almost as much as, well, Craig does.

16:58 / 16.07.05

Wasn't the extra!extra twist that the three who did nominate didn't get their votes counted?

That was supposed to be the premise, I think - or even that the three who nominated wouldn't be allowed to take part in the "which of the two gets kicked out" vote - but, in the event, the rules changed. That's been happening increasingly over the six series of BB, but irritatingly so in this one. It seems like there've been almost no 'standard' nomination weeks, and at times it's felt overloaded with gimmickry. Changing the rules on the hoof also tends to fuel the various conspiracy theories around Endemol's supposedly pre-planned narrative and winner (On Digital Spy, Th* Ch*s*n *n* is this year's g*m*pl*n).

I'm not really sure I buy the theory that Vanessa's cakehole-stuffing was a stress-based response to finding herself dull. Given the wackaday "I love sugar, me - especially pink sugar" wackiness in her audition interview, I suspect she's always tended to consume hearty amounts of carbohydrates, and her eating pattern in the House was a continuation of rather than a deviation from the norm. She's an extremely basic entity, really: she eats, excretes, respires, moves (occasionally), grows, is (marginally) sensitive to environment and can probably reproduce. That's how we know she's alive.

18:12 / 16.07.05

But it seems that a lot of the new animosity towards her is based on "how dare the strumpet indulge her sinful lusts!", an attitude that repulses me...

Ahh, but Burchill's got your number, Flybs. In today's Times, the Helium Manatee pens a bite-sized chunk of predictable Controv-U-Like:

It’s true — the white working-class is the only group that may now be abused and maligned with impunity. Regard Big Brother. White girl takes top off, has sex with boy: filthy slag. Black girl takes top off, has sex with boy: strong woman. Rude white kids: bullies. Rude ethnic kids: divine divas, darling. Let’s hear it for inverted racism!

02:43 / 17.07.05

I'm not sure that the animostiy towards Makosi is at all because of her lustful ways Flyboy.

Her knowing camera glances and g*m*t*pl*n have at least made exciting television and at most made her the most watchable housemate this series.
Having not read the numerous (I'm sure) tabloid responses the sheer unpalatableness of Kosi's attitude towards the supposed Fabulous One has been the turnaround factor.

08:13 / 17.07.05

Well, I missed the last two weeks of Big B, 'cos I was in E. Africa.

(Don't worry, they're not all starving. The lady traffic police for one are positively porcine.)

I have a hard time imagining why Vanessa exists, let alone was on my TV screen. Bit surprised at Science' trumping of Max in their face-off, too. Did Max act a huffy cunt after his Eva Braun left teh house or something? Otherwise, I feel something is afoot, like that time when Jade beat Adele, despite being the subject of an entire nation's withering contempt prior. I ain't forget that one, Endemol. (I mean I prefer the boy who loved science, but I really can't see it. He's second fave now, on the bookie update incidentally, Ant at 2/1 and him at 11/4, well ahead of the field.)

10:45 / 17.07.05

The bookies have been all over the place this year, with almost every housemate being favourite to win for 15 minutes at a time.

Vanetha in the News of the World saying there was a racial divide in the House (no shit), and a "BB insider" claiming there's been systematic censorship of many of the more iffy race-related comments, on both live streaming and the highlights show. Endemol, naturally, denies this, but it tallies with the impression that Craig's "are you patriotic" conversations (which shade into send-'em-backism) are being witheld - presumably for his own protection.

I'm not sure how I feel about this. It seems a trifle unfair to air the 'milder' racist comments, and thus allow those doing the commenting (Max, Saskia) to earn the ire of the Great British Public, while censoring dodgier stuff and therefore protecting housemates who may be even nastier racists.

Hmmm.

14:00 / 17.07.05

yeah.
worrying indeed.
i'm not even sure i'm convinced by the argment that they have a duty to protect craig if he is being a racist.
he was as aware of the implications of being in the house as much as anyone could make him, and he knows he's on camera.
if he is saying stuff that is really dodgy he knows he's doing so on camera, and is maybe even doing it for the cameras.

let him hang himself, i reckon.
if, of course, he is being racist.
which i think he prolly is.

if a racist little goon and he becomes largely hated for proving it in public then that seems fair enough.

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