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7 Soldiers

 
  

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Optimistic
17:40 / 17.04.06
Well... he says he'll draw a couple of issues of Batman first so I'm not all that optimistic about seeing this for a while. That said, I imagine it'll be worth the wait and all will be forgiven once I've got the comic in my hands.

's just the wait wait waiting that disappoints me.


Though lets not forget this comic was only supposed to come out a week or two ago so it's not too late at the moment.

(Won't be saying THAT in a couple months! Still...)
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:45 / 17.04.06
Quoting LDones from over in the Frankenberry (I mean, Frankenstein) thread, in the interests of widening the scope, gyre-like, a little-bit-yes-maybe:

I suppose, with the constant presence of mother/father/son/daughter/top/bottom examinations in 7S, you could make the argument that all of the series is informed by sexual themes (and certainly they're present in each mini), but I feel it stronger in Frankenstein than in any of them, even Bulleteer.

Do we want to suss this out? Are our heroes secretly the Seven Sex Soldiers of the Sheeda Pornocalpse? What exactly are the sexual themes that LDones and others might pick out on reading Seven Soldiers?

Alix and The Bulleteer is Bullets are a Girl's Best Friend and super-porn industry.

Frankenstein is the flaccid, undead body horror, the sex-is-bad perversion of human spirit & the ultimate rejection by his "perfect woman" (literally created for him) because he's not her type, she's got sexier fish to fry...

Zatanna? Zee's the exhibitionist, she's the burlesque show of the gang. She can never quite manage the real thing - ultimate power is undercut by terrible romantic choices - but she can maintain and play with the illusion, all the shiny, see-through clothes. Zee fascinates me because she is flawed, simply, and she wraps herself up in guilt until she realizes she has to do something. As soon as she tries to bleed the sex over into real life from fantasy, thinks screw up. She needs her Achilles Heel.

Klarion, well, Limbo Town's all about what happens after the invasion of body horror sex, trying to maintain extremely rigid values in the face of sexual violence. Limbo Towners are "sinful" and must repent, but Klarion's the one to point out that he hasn't had "a chance to commit any sins." He rejects the self-abuse and doesn't cling to the "innocence of childhood," he goes out into the big bad world, he wants to grow up a learn all he can - but he rejects the callous rules of "grown-ups are bad." I really love Ezekiel, Klarion's step-dad, in this one; he encourages to grow up and change things (grow up but not accept the predestination of Limbo Town), but to still be mindful of the people's beliefs. Ezekiel encourages positive change in the community and accepts that if you want to do it without violence you have to wait.

Jake and the Manhattan Guardian crew have to deal with the sex secrets of the Newsboy Army of Nowhere Street, so I suppose the sexual theme there is closely linked to Klarion; recriminations and punishment after the fact, judgement and guilt.

But I'm not sure where to go with Mister Miracle or Shining Knight, yet? Thoughts?
 
 
FinderWolf
19:33 / 17.04.06
well, he does say "So I think they will have me do the first couple [of Batman issues]. AFTER THAT [emphasis mine] I still have to finish up Seven Soldiers."
 
 
BGK
20:12 / 17.04.06
Mr. Miracle was revealed early on as a ladies man, due to his popularity and charm. Preoccupation, however, with more complex issues has distracted him from the oversex. Poor guy.

At the end of the fourth volume, Yustin turns out to be a woman! This perhaps deals with repressed sexuality/sexual identity as a means of survival in the world...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:31 / 17.04.06
BGK: Mr. Miracle was revealed early on as a ladies man, due to his popularity and charm. Preoccupation, however, with more complex issues has distracted him from the oversex. Poor guy.

Is he? He seems to be in more of a monogamous relationship with Jonelle, although the girls are "lining up," according to ZZ at the beginning. ZZ doesn't even specifically mention the Female Furies until Shilo's in front of them, and it felt a bit like the "young virgin going to a prostitute for his first time" story that crops up (and seems to have happened to some famous-type book-learning writers), with ZZ trying to initiate Shilo into Dark Side's ways and Granny Goodness's "orphanage." Jonelle's around up until Bedlam seduces her (does anything ever come of that? I don't recall Shilo freeing her properly) and removes her capacity for real emotional intimacy in return for plastic stupidskin, which has an evil-sex angle to it as well. Shilo's fractured multi-flavoured lives are often predicated around a stable family-life as well. Maybe Shilo's about the simple family and monogamy? Sometimes as a trap (in the life-trap) and sometimes as a source of strength (Jonelle helping keep him together until she's transformed).

At the end of the fourth volume, Yustin turns out to be a woman! This perhaps deals with repressed sexuality/sexual identity as a means of survival in the world...

I suppose, although I tend to agree with the assessment of hir as being a girl engaging in a "Boy's Own Adventure" routine, rather than an out-right gender-shifting routine, and I'm not sure how that hooks into any sexy themes (versus gender themes, I dunno, connected but not) present in Shining Knight. Repressed sexual identity does work quite well with the other themes in the overarching series - repression and recrimination are big - but Ystin is almost more about sublimating sexual needs in favour of the Quest and the Mission.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:28 / 20.04.06
Wasn't sure were it should go... but we've got a Bulleteer sighting on the Cover art for Infinite Crisis #7
 
 
The Falcon
21:44 / 20.04.06
Hmm, that's not a bad bit of dadcore rockout either. That's all seven in the thing, innit?
 
 
Sniv
21:46 / 20.04.06
Crikey that's a poor cover. So busy and un-memorable. There's our Alix at the top though, in the smart-skin, as they say. So then a Solider must die!! Who will it be?
 
 
Aertho
21:49 / 20.04.06
Is she flying? I want my girl to fly. She'd smile more if she could fly.
 
 
Mario
22:11 / 20.04.06
We're still missing Guardian & Shining Knight (although rumors place Ystin in #7).

I'm pretty sure, at this point, that we'll see all 7.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
01:18 / 21.04.06
Seems like more of a leap.

Looks like every elaborate drawing I made of every superhero and villain I could think of in elementary school. But with better draftsmanship.

Which is to say, in a word: AWESOME.

That Lee one looks a bit of a mess though. I'm sure colored it'll look a bit more impressive. Wall of green and all that.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
03:21 / 21.04.06
where was Klarion seen in 8C?

hm, guess it'll be Frank then. unless you count Mister Miracle already dying a thousand deaths.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
04:28 / 21.04.06
Frank's already been in it, or at least hamfisted in there by the colorist, as there's no detail in the shot, but the colored blobs are distinctly his.
 
 
The Falcon
10:44 / 21.04.06
Yeah, sharing a panel with Mister Miracle. Klarion was in #6, Finder. He even had some dialogue at the big magiqckyll meeting.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
11:32 / 21.04.06
the teenager in me loves that 8C #7 cover. is that by Perez?

take a look at that helmet behind Mary Marvel. would that be Guardian's? and is the guy being choked above Green Arrow... Aztek?
 
 
FinderWolf
02:01 / 23.04.06
Weird to see Jim Lee do such a Perez-style cover (meaning a cover with 1,000,000 characters all crammed into it...and I'm not talking about the cover linked here, but the alternate cover for IC #7).

For issue 7, it seems that Lee & Perez both did 'tons of characters crammed into one shot' covers, whereas for the rest of the series Perez handled the million characters and Lee did the money shots (except for issue 5, where Perez did Ye Olde Supes punching our beloved regular Supes).
 
 
FinderWolf
02:02 / 23.04.06
sorry, I realize that post is sort of more IC-related than 7 Soliders...mods, put it where you wish.
 
 
Malio
09:59 / 23.04.06
DC now have SS#1 scheduled for 21st June but I have my doubts...
 
 
Mario
19:10 / 26.04.06
We're 6 for 7. Guardian is in the Villains United Special. If, as rumored, Shining Knight is in 8C #7, then all seven of the core Soldiers will have survived.
 
 
Aertho
19:35 / 26.04.06
Except that Frank is a differently active body, and Shiloh's died numerous times while in Omega.

I don't think "the death" is going to be something FINAL.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
02:19 / 27.04.06
ohhhhhh Ben-ja-min......?

Now that all of the mini's have wrapped, do you have any ideas on how to complete your last chronology. I'm having a devil of a time figuring it out, and yours seemed very well thought out.
 
 
This Sunday
03:58 / 27.04.06
Death is never 'final,' in comics. Or, some would argue - and I would concur - anywhere else.

And how does this whole thing read to those of you who didn't read the JLA precursor? Presuming there are such people reading this. Are some bits, like Nebuloh, just unexpected, or is anyone getting the feeling they're actually missing something they're already supposed to know, and not an upcoming reveal?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
11:42 / 27.04.06
To be perfectly honest, Keith, Mister Miracle pretty much spoiled me on the whole enterprise and I threw the remaining four issues not in that timeline randomly among the last three or four comics in the pile. Frank #4 is definitely at the bottom, though.
 
 
Aertho
03:23 / 28.04.06
B 1
Z 1
F 1
JLAC 1
JLAC 2
JLAC 3
7S 0
Z 2
TMG 1
TMG 2
MM 1
MM 2
K 1
K 2
SK 1
SK 2
SK 3
SK 4
B 2
Z 3
TMG 3
TMG 4
B 3
B 4
K 3
K 4
F 2
MM 3
Z 4
F 3
MM 4
F 4
7S 1

How's this timeline?
 
 
Mario
11:41 / 28.04.06
Are we sure that JLA:C happened before 7S#0? In another thread, I've been working on a timeline for Ne-Bu-Loh, and it seems like he wasn't summoned until then.
 
 
LDones
12:16 / 28.04.06
The JLA:C arc had to happen when John Stewart was the JLA's Green Lantern and Aquaman had a water hand and had recently shaved.

So sometime between the whole Mageddon business and... Identity Crisis, I guess.

It's awhile before 7S, at least.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
13:45 / 28.04.06
seems like Z#1 should happen right before 7S#1, no? Gimmix is leaving from the group therapy session for her the 7S#1 events, right?
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
22:22 / 28.04.06
"How could Morrison have pitched this massive complex story without a clear ending in mind?"

I think the problem is that the script is (according to a recent Morrison comment) over a hundred pages long and needs to be trimmed and re-worked.
 
 
LDones
22:26 / 28.04.06
He's also openly said there's little chance he'll tie everything up, he just wants to make it worth the ride. Like the best 0 and 1 issues of a series that there'll never be a number 2 of.
 
 
The Falcon
23:25 / 28.04.06
Right, here's my chronology of the week. I was a tedious child, and loved making lists, so I've got a day-to-day. There's some wriggle room for the likes of Z4, but this is basically it.

8,000 BC
SK1 - brief two page end on Day 1.

T minus a few days
JLA:C #1-3. Mario - Nehbs make some reference to his people showing up again, unseen, like shady bastards to Superman whilst they're scrapping, so I take this to refer to the SS saga.

T minus a few less days
B1

T minus even fewer day(s), probably one
Z1

Day 0
SS0

Day 1
F1 - I like this as preliminaries; Uglyhead basically explains as much.
G1
K1
G2
K2
Z2 - implementing 'sun rises in the East' rule here
MM1
SK2 - both these occur over two days, which for sanity's sake I'm proscribing as days 1-2. It does mean Shilo visits his shrink every day, but he can afford it.

Day 2
MM2
SK3
SK4 - five hours elapse from the initial Sheeda attack in SK2

Day 3
K3
MM3
B2 - has to be one day after SK3; Helligan going to the wedding.

Day 4
K4
Z3 - Vanguard informs Zee that Ali saw Ystin 'two nights hence'.


Day 5
F2
B3 - Assuming Vincenzo's body to have been found a day after the event of his death.
B4

Day 6
F3

Day 7
G3
G4
Z4
MM4
F4
And presumably, SS1.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:30 / 28.04.06
Uh, wouldn't SS1 occur on the eighth day? Favours the Sheeda, surely.
 
 
The Falcon
00:10 / 29.04.06
It might, but will they not lose? I think they will.
 
 
The Falcon
00:28 / 29.04.06
Anyway, Omega is a gameboard, right? And Croatoan's dice, innit?

I forget what stage we'd reached on the seven treasures.
 
 
Aertho
01:31 / 29.04.06
Sword, Dice, "Book", Cauldron, maybe a gameboard, maybe a crown, last one is still up in the air.
 
 
The Falcon
12:56 / 29.04.06
Hum. I'm thinking Neh-Buh-loh's halberd or Alix as a spear?

Some tinkering still needed on that timeline...
 
  

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