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7 Soldiers

 
  

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Aertho
16:04 / 02.04.06
I think they'll go back in time... to escape the red god of Ys. And colonize Mars.

Anyone else?
 
 
Mug Chum
17:42 / 02.04.06
A friend of mine is reading the series not so closely and he thinks #1 will be all Sheeda and no 7S. Though I don't quite follow where he's getting at, it sounds interesting to imagine how that would go. I pictured instantly Promethea's last issue, only in teh darknyss (and more story-driven than Promethea's final issue was) as they go along connecting the entire series in one thread I'm not being able to imagine.
 
 
CameronStewart
17:46 / 05.04.06
Seven Soldiers (by Grant Morrison and "various") nominated for Best Limited Series at the Eisners, up against Smoke, Ocean, and Nat Turner.

I think we have a pretty good shot.
 
 
grant
17:50 / 05.04.06
You're the "a" in "various," Mr. Stewart.
 
 
Quimper
19:44 / 05.04.06
With all these 8C cameos going on...we're being spoiled as to who will die.

I'm guessing that it's the one who refuses to play the game. So get off the frikkin' board!!!
 
 
Mario
20:25 / 05.04.06
Unless it's a red herring. We know "One Soldier will die". We DON'T know if it'll be one of the 7 miniseries leads. I'm still thinking Grant may play a swerve, and make it Misty, or maybe Spyder.
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:41 / 05.04.06
Or Mind Bender Man, he probably believes he's most deserving of his own series considering his JLA background.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
21:08 / 05.04.06
who do you say, Quimper, Frank, Alix?

interesting to see 7S nominated; it's been a long while since I saw a work by Morrison remembred in any awards.
 
 
Panic
21:39 / 05.04.06
I'm unsure if anyone else has voiced this, but might Alix be the soldier who betrays them? By, y'know, not soldiering? Like she did with Greg's team?
 
 
Mario
21:52 / 05.04.06
Newsarama used my Crisis Counseling question. Finally, a clear answer:

Q: There've been contradictory statements about this... does Seven Soldiers take place before, during, or after Infinite Crisis? If after, before, during, or after 52?

DD: After careful consultation with Grant Morrison, I stand corrected and will now state for the record that SEVEN SOLDIERS takes place a week before INFINITE CRISIS starts.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:48 / 05.04.06
However George is factoring all this into 'Infinite Crisis,' it does seem quite a bit less elegant than what Alan Moore did with the Swamp Thing during that other crisis, all those years ago.

I'm almost prepared to bet all-comers a virtual fiver that 'Seven Soldiers' is going to finish in a fairly open-ended, vague and ultimately unsatisfactory manner, just like everything he's done since The Doom Patrol, really.

He needs to be sat down and told;

'George; a)No more breaking the 4th wall, you've done it already, man, on a number of occasions, b)no more expecting the reader to 'process metaphor' (because psychedlic drugs these days are, sadly or otherwise, rather out of fashion, c)no more believing your own hype, ie, hanging about in LA in screenplay option hell, it's finished better men than you - especially, you should stop having anything to do with that Robbie Williams, say, and d) mainly d) if you're ever going to be the guy that your fans love, again, you're going to spend more time suffering quietly in a darkened room, and less time hanging about with your glamorous wife.'

Of course though, he wouldn't listen.

I'm clearly reserving judgement until the denouement, but all the same, I can't see how he's going to pull this (often enjoyable) 30 issue shambles out the bag.

Has anyone got any thoughts as to how he'd manage?
 
 
Mario
23:52 / 05.04.06
Not worried about that, really. I've reached the stage in my comics-reading life where I'm willing to just enjoy the ride.
 
 
LDones
00:08 / 06.04.06
Truly George must acknowledge that his highest aspiration in life must be the adoration of comics fans, with whom he is so obviously desperately out of favor. Anything more or different is a sad shadow-travesty.

I have to say that's one of the ugliest posts I've read recently, Alex.
 
 
The Falcon
00:15 / 06.04.06
Calm down, L. It's hardly 'ugly'. Anyway - as far as I'm aware, George is enjoying pretty much the greatest popularity of his career as a comics writer right about now, no?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:42 / 06.04.06
I have to say that's one of the ugliest posts I've read recently

Well aesthetically perhaps (sorry if it was,) but surely not morally?
 
 
LDones
04:30 / 06.04.06
Autoimmune relapse. Sand in my vagina. Don't mind me.
 
 
Quimper
17:17 / 06.04.06
who do you say, Quimper, Frank, Alix?

I'm saying Alix. I'm not reading 8C, so this is second-hand info that mayhaps others can verify...we've seen Shilo, Frank, Zatanna and Klarion already with #7 supposedly bringing us cameos of SK and Guardian.

Is seeing Frank in 8C a vicious lie?

So, we have no Alix. And it got me thinking, reiterating what I said above, if a piece doesn't want to play, they get removed from the board.

Who's to say that we haven't seen the betrayer already in the form of Spyder?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
06:50 / 07.04.06
Maybe we missed Alix because she was cured of her superskin, and they snuck her in some panel along the way.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
10:26 / 07.04.06
If she didn't have smartskin, she wouldn't really be hanging around in the kinds of situation 8C tends to depict... it's all a little too dangerous for a human being.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
11:15 / 07.04.06
I'm saying, just like one of hundreds of people running from a building collapsing in a panel or something.
 
 
The Falcon
11:16 / 07.04.06
Maybe it was like a Ben Grimm 'cure'. I don't think so, tho'. To be honest, I think the traitor was already revealed (Boy Blue) and quite likely the death will be a non-death of sorts, either one of Spyder, Misty, Vigilante or MGM or - like - Frankenstein, dying and returning.
 
 
Mario
14:55 / 07.04.06
We have a possible Ystin sighting in 8C #6. In the Spectre summoning scene, we see Jim "Nightmaster" Rook taking the hand of a woman with short dark hair wearing chain mail. Not a very good likeness, but I can't think of any other candidates on short notice (looks a bit like Faith, tho)
 
 
Aertho
15:15 / 07.04.06
Can any ubergeniuses name all those magic users at Stonehenge?
 
 
Mario
15:50 / 07.04.06
Correction. My sources have indicated that the woman is Valda, the Iron Maiden, from the old Arak book.

Moved the list to the IC thread
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
21:44 / 07.04.06
not wanting to poke a[n] [un]dead corpse again, but Alex, it was ugly, Newsarama boards-ugly, man. it's always like that when teh Hategasm infects our posting fingers.

as far as I remember, SWAMP THING adressed the original Crisis in a peripheral way to not too different from what we've seen of 8C in 7S. in any case I think it would be too much to ask to adress a crossover inside another, given the fact 7S is a subset of its own.

Morrison got old, sure, and the writing changes - we all LUV DOOM PATROL, but hey. you could even say MISTER MIRACLE had a somewhat sloppy execution [maybe everything was affected by the dance of artists], and we're still to see the ending of this, but so far 7S beats the shit out of most mainstream superhero comics of late.

and steals their girlfriends.
 
 
Tom Coates
23:01 / 07.04.06
I do rather wish it hadn't taken so long though.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
12:32 / 08.04.06
Not to overdo the Swamp Thing thing, but the idea of parallel Crises was handled a little better there, surely - there were clear reasons, laid out in the text, as to why Batman, Superman, Kid Flash etc were unaware of the recent (bad) developments in the spirit world, whereas in Seven Soldiers it's yet to be made clear why an insane force from the future/past/faerie kingdom that's intent on destroying civilisation has somehow slipped under everyone's radar.

OK, arguably, the major DC big-hitters might have been morbidly preoccupied with all the other terrible things that have been happening lately, but wouldn't at least one of them have mentioned the Sheeda? Batman, for example, might have brokenly muttered something like 'Oh fuck' and then put them in his 'In' tray.

As it is George is going to have forty eight pages to a) tie up seven different, and it seems only vaguely connected character arcs, b)explain what all this was really about in the first place c)have the Seven Soldiers deal with it, d)then get Klarion etc to Stonehenge or wherever to join in the final battle for whatever it is on an earth that may not even exist any more and e)still look cool in the process.

Obviously, I've got no idea how he's going to pull this off, being a low worm speculating about this stuff on teh web, but have either GM or GJ thought about it all that much either?

I fear that I may have to start keeping GM's house under 24 hour surveillance, again, only this time, more with, er, feeling.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:56 / 08.04.06
Morrison got old, sure, and the writing changes - we all LUV DOOM PATROL, but hey. you could even say MISTER MIRACLE had a somewhat sloppy execution [maybe everything was affected by the dance of artists], and we're still to see the ending of this, but so far 7S beats the shit out of most mainstream superhero comics of late.

Actually, his old stuff like Doom Patrol and Animal Man kind of bores me silly in comparison to any and all work Post-Mentallo. I always try making my way through it but either the art is nigh-unlookatable (Animal Man) or it's just Woody-Allen's-Prose bizzarre (Doom Patrol, except for the last issue of course, which always makes me cry).

My stack of Grant, which always sits my bedside, starts with Flex and, as of this writing, ends with Bulleteer #4.

(Although now that I sit back and remember it, Cliff is a masterpiece of a character. Damn. I'm going to have go reread those and take my previous admonition back. But I just can't get past the Truog on Animal Man.)
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
18:02 / 08.04.06
yeah, Tom, I also wish 7S hadn't lasted this long; it's bee nwhat, almost 4-6 months? but then it'd have to be mostly written before #0 was even out, ALL-STAR SUPES and all in the way.

I always saw 7S as a mini-crossover in the likes of BLOODLINES [small threat barely mentioned in other titles, some new titles generated after that], only not that crappy.

Yots, in a strong way I think Morrison's writing - how he deals with the flood of ideas in the narrative and merges intent with form - got *better* post DOOM PATROL. I mean, FLEX MENTALO, INVISIBLES, THE FILTH, SEAGUY/WE3. could have retired after those.
 
 
raggedman
11:46 / 09.04.06
from papers 'For me, Mister Miracle is where it breaks down, because we don't get any idea how Dark Side and the Evil Gods or the New Gods actually relate to the Sheeda or the overarching plot. Bulleteer's all about avoiding the Sheeda outright, being kept in the dark about them. Frankenstein is the "old way" of dealing with the Sheeda, blood and misery. Shilo's the one that we're given no threads.'

I've been thinking about this and I reckon Shilo's actions could be crucial to the whole resolve.
The seven have to come by roads unseen/unknown (?) and combat the threat by not knowing/helping each other
Shilo has spent the seven days in the event horizon, where as Metron says 'even he cannot see us'. Now if 'he' cannot see us the chances are Glorianna and the Sheeda can't see him either so can get no inkling of his soldier status.
I don't think Shilo is going to face the Sheeda directly, I think he's going to pursue his own agenda freeing the gods (and by extension 'all of us') but that this mission will have a knock on effect (second front?) that is crucial to the dice falling the right way.

(incidentally I loved MM4 and have been using the 'escape together' line and visualisations of darkside to help escape my prisonaddiction to ciggarettes.
and S7 hasn't panned out as I thought it would-so hasn't 'lived up to my expectation' but i've enjoyed every second of it and can't wait to sit down and read the whole through, dealing with it as it is not how i want it to be each month. I was originally only going to buy klarion, zee, mm, didn't like the look of guardian, shining night etc
How wrong I was)
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:10 / 10.04.06
I've certainly felt a slackening of my interest in the second half of this series, Mister Miracle seems to have no connection except for possibly this God somehow locked away in one of Mister Miracle's other lives, Bulleteer lapsing into self-indulgent satire of comics conventions (probably funnier to those of us who go to these things), Frankenstein's okay but, it's freaking Frankenstein! So I'm glad it's Seven Soldiers and not ten or twelve, and it does seem a lot to wrap up in a satisfactory manner, especially as the Soldiers shouldn't meet.
 
 
Malio
15:54 / 17.04.06
Judging by JH Williams' comments here it doesn't look like we'll be seeing SS#1 for a while...
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
16:07 / 17.04.06
It's at the bottom. To wit:

NRAMA: Finally, how many issues are you on for?

JHWIII: I'm not sure how many issues I will be doing. I think they are having me do the first couple. From what I understand DC wants to rotate artists because of the single issue story method. So I think they will have me do the first couple. After that I still have to finish up Seven Soldiers. This has turned into a juggernaut of a task. The script is still being worked on and has been expanded in page count from what I’ve been told. After it has been scripted it will definitely take some serious time to finish that due to what is going to be required from the art side of things. I know it is already late and it is going to be even later. But I think when all is said and done it will have been worth the wait. So anyway, when I’ve finished that I will probably be back on Detective. All the while I’ll also be preparing for a very big project to follow and that is all I can say about that.

Babelfish Translation, Interview/Reaction: OUCH.
 
 
Sniv
17:05 / 17.04.06
Honestly, I'm more than a little disappointed at Morrison and DC after reading that. How could Morrison have pitched this massive complex story without a clear ending in mind? It seems to be the opposite of what the series is about. Surely, the ending would have to be known in advance, as that's the payoff, the endcap that ties everything together and explains what you've been reading about and wraps it all up. For the story to have been in the works for 2+ years and no ending plotted out... well, it's a bit confusing, and more than a tad disheartening as a reader.

Unless, of course, the page count has been bumped to 96 or something, then I'm okay with it, as there's are reason. But for JHW3 not to have even started work on it yet... we're not going to be seeing this until the end of the year, will we? Angry face.
 
 
Sniv
17:07 / 17.04.06
I see from a more careful reading that JHW3 said he's still got to finish SS 1, so it may well be started. Sorry for the confusion. Bit happier.
 
  

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