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Professor Silly

14:02 / 05.09.06

I must have missed the various appearances in 52--anybody want to give me issue/page/panal locations? (Lord, I'm such a nerd!)

Our Lady Has Left the Building

17:26 / 06.09.06

It could be any or all of the Seven Soldiers because 7S happens a week before Infinite Crisis and they have Superboy punching the reality wall or whatever it is to explain every continuity error ever. So Grant could kill any of them and then they just say 'Superboy's magic punch brought them back'.

Henningjohnathan

20:19 / 13.09.06

Ha! That Superboy Prime sure is a troublemaker!

I have to admit that I generally liked ZATANNA, BULLETEER and MR. MIRACLE more than the other books (Franky, Witch Boy, Guardian, Knightina). It's not so much that I disliked the others, but these three had a much more inventive but accessible feeling for my tastes.

What I really enjoyed was the metaphysical reimagining of the NEW GODS (though I suppose that could all be seen as happening in an alternate baby universe or something). Darkseid was especially interesting. He's lately felt something like a rip-off of Thanos even though I think Thanos was Starlin's homage to Darkseid. However, Darkseid and his Anti-Life Equation in 7S was not only very imaginative, but seemed a much more fully realized version of the character.

Morrison once said something like he'd never want to get directly involved in politics because the only political/social system he knew that was created by painters, poets and philosophers was Nazism.

Hitler was a failed painter, and I can see Darkseid as a failed artist as well. It's as if he could have been God if he had only had the talent. Now he peddles his creation like some kind of narcissistic self-promoter who has to run down everything else to make his own work significant.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

20:54 / 13.09.06

Current release date for the last issue is my birthday, so hopefully that sticks, because that would kick ass.

Although I would rather have had it months ago.

Dan Fish - @Fish1k

21:22 / 18.09.06

SPOILERS (maybe)

ROBIN #157
Written by Adam Beechen
Art by Freddie E. Williams II
Cover by Patrick Gleason & Prentis Rollins
Guest-starring Klarion the Witch Boy from SEVEN SOLDIERS! The Boy Wonder battles to save the life of a stray cat...and the fate of the world just might hang in the balance.
On sale December 13 o 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US

02:00 / 19.09.06

have a birdie, Teek'l.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

04:22 / 19.09.06

You can almost hear the really weird Robin/Klarion slash fiction preparing itself to be born.

12:21 / 19.09.06

Has anyone else noticed this on the 52 site? Alix has a cameothat's edited out, with the message "Uh...no!" next to her. Could Alix be the one that bites it in a month's time? (and yes, I know we've seen that pencilled page from later in 52 with her in it, but it's not like it's the first time we've had conflicting info with this title, is it?)

Spyder Todd 2008

20:06 / 04.10.06

Zatanna guest stars in Detective #824. In case anyone was curious...

20:29 / 04.10.06

Weren't we supposed to have gotten SS#1 in September at one point? What's the latest word on when it's supposed to materialize?

20:31 / 04.10.06

Last report was October 25.

20:39 / 04.10.06

Oy. Well, I guess it's teaching me patience. Thanks.

Essential Dazzler

17:42 / 13.10.06

Seven pages of #1.

Thank god, now I've seen it I can let myself believe it'll actually happen.

17:45 / 13.10.06

TBH, I'm fucking appalled at the lateness of this book. It's totally absurd.

Essential Dazzler

17:56 / 13.10.06

At least we know exactly who's to blame and why this time. Everyone's held up their hands and apologised. Not that makes it any better mind you.

I (stupidly) wasn't anticipating any New Gods stuff in this one, and I'm a little dissapointed now. They confuse the hell out of me, and kinda ruin the "self contained thing" for me.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

18:06 / 13.10.06

My pants are tight in anticipation of this.

I clicked on the link for the preview pages, and couldn't bring myself to read them.

I want my first time with those pages to be special, dammit, not on some newsarama preview site.

18:54 / 13.10.06

Quarter, it was not that much a delay, let's be honest. in the end I supose it came down to editorial offering Grant more than he could take at a given time, with 52 and whatnot hanging about.

maybe the series lost a bit of interest momentum, but those who read it until now will want to know how it all ties up. it's here and looks beautiful.

can't wait to see what these two are cooking up for a future project together.

and I crazy to think Moz has apparently used some of Kirby's concepts fot THE ETERNALS here?

19:07 / 13.10.06

Four months late? Not that long?

I have no idea why people think this kind of thing is okay. I'm not trying to say that delays are never justified, that would be ridiculous, but they are far too fucking common in the comic industry*. It's just so... so... unprofessional.

I know lots of people who work in other creative fields (TV, film, magazine and book publishing) and my experience of those industries is that deadlines are (generally) stuck to come hell or high water, even if that means working horrific hours for weeks and weeks on end.

Essential Dazzler

19:15 / 13.10.06

It was not that much a delay

A week short of 7 months, according to the release date printed in SS #0.

And remember, it wasn't even started, at least on the art side, (can anyone remeber when the script was confimed finished) until a good month or so after the original release date.

'nuff said

20:06 / 13.10.06

Okay, I get that Jack Kirby Was Fucking Awesome, I really do, but these Kirby pastiches everywhere I look are getting old. Frankly, no one does it better than he did so why make me look at fanarts just because fuckin Metron is in the panel? It took JH Williams like six years to draw this? Really?

Are Being Stolen By Bandits

20:29 / 13.10.06

Well, firstly, those pages aren't entirely Kirby-pastiche. Didn't you notice the reprise of one of the style Williams himself used in Seven Soldiers #0 for the first page, or the excellent mimicking of Simone Bianchi's Shining Knight artwork on the second? Surely a (rather good, to my eyes) take on Kirby's style for the New Gods-centric pages isn't an unreasonable artistic conceit? It's not as though the whole issue's going to be in that style (or so I'd imagine, anyway).

Secondly, as has been publicly acknowledged by all parties, the massive delay has had relatively little to do with Williams. Morrison has admitted that the first draft of the script wasn't even ready until over a month after the originally-scheduled release date for the issue, and there were re-writing shenanigans long after that point. Williams may not be the fastest artist working at the moment, but had he received the script in time, there's no reason to assume this issue wouldn't have shipped accordingly.

21:03 / 13.10.06

I have no idea what happened in those pages. And I love it.

21:22 / 13.10.06

I know lots of people who work in other creative fields (TV, film, magazine and book publishing) and my experience of those industries is that deadlines are (generally) stuck to come hell or high water, even if that means working horrific hours for weeks and weeks on end.

Yes, but this is comics. I don't see why a different medium and industry can't work differently if it wants to.

22:27 / 13.10.06

>>>Seven Soldiers #0 for the first page, or the excellent mimicking of Simone Bianchi's Shining Knight artwork on the second? <<<

Williams is an incredible mimic, and I'm looking forward to seeing his imitation of the various Seven Soldiers artists.

...Alright, I admit it, I'm looking forward to seeing his imitation of me.

23:24 / 13.10.06

is it 7 months late? jesus, where did my life go? no, seriously, it was Carnaval just the other day... not pissing on anybody here, it's just that time IS moving too fast.

sure, 7S# 1 has been a major scheduling fuck-up, both in editorial part for soliciting it before work had started, and in Morrison's for taking up more work than he could handle. and YES: the publisher must solicit the book when it's certain it will come out. but... so what? why play the blame game like it's OUR livelyhood on stake? the book is coming and it's not like we're talking about DAREDEVIL: FATHER.

are there any retailers here? of course we as readers want the joy of episodic storytelling and all the culture that revolvs around it. there's money involved. but we haven't compromised it upfront, have we?

I'm not saying fuck retailers. just that - as time passes, and not only talking about the slow but steady shift from monthlies to collections, the distribution paradigm is moving away from the rush of the magazine model and towards the much more relaxed book market model.

and sale charts have proven that, faithful followers that we are, usually the same core ammount of people will go after a series' ending. ok, usually LESS people, but still.

when it's out it's out and we'll buy it. simply as that. The Beat's Heidi McDonald had some words on the heated reactions after the CIVIL WAR delays and it's worth a read.

it's all well, brothers [and sister].

23:58 / 13.10.06

Yes, but this is comics. I don't see why a different medium and industry can't work differently if it wants to.

But Boboss is making a comparison not to one particular industry but several under the banner of "creative" and saying why comics have allowed themselves to fall into this pretty piss poor lapse of deadline ethic.

Arguing back, though, it's not like comics is the only industry with people

Reasons? Well, the fact that the industry is dominated by the output of two companies could be one. They know they can probably treat the fanbase poorly, wherelse are they going to go for spandexfight? It's not like they're going to be pushed out of slots #1 and #2 for delays on certain titles.

Branching off from this: the size of the audience could be important. Right now comics have a max readership of what? 90,000 people? And that's for core titles like Batman or X-Men. That's piss drop in a puddle compared to things like Eastenders or Big Brother. Bigger audience = bigger number of complaints generated = bigger kick up the arse to get deadlines met.

01:06 / 14.10.06

Max audience is actually about 300k for Civil War right now, Trips; this is easily as big as I can remember it being in seven or so years.

Are Being Stolen By Bandits

01:07 / 14.10.06

>>>...Alright, I admit it, I'm looking forward to seeing his imitation of me.<<<

As am I, not least because I genuinely can't envisage precisely what it'll look like (aside from brilliant, obviously). I agree that he's a superb mimic (his total mastery of a massive range of styles is one of the many reasons Williams is among my favourite artists currently working in US comics), but, as in the Shining Knight page in that preview, there's always a strong hint of his own distinctive style behind the imitation, or indeed behind all the various styles he employs (it's why I felt Seven Soldiers #0, despite the stunning array of different techniques employed, was such a beautiful, visually-coherent comic). I'll be extremely interested to see how his technique meshes with the tone of your own, very different (also superb) work on Manhattan Guardian.

Cowboy Scientist

03:41 / 14.10.06

Aye. I loved his Moebius-doing-Blueberry riff on #0.

The Natural Way

10:10 / 14.10.06

I am so fucking looking forward to this. It looks bloody great.

miss wonderstarr

16:39 / 14.10.06

I'd forgotten all about this comic! Not sure if that's a good thing (it's a pleasant surprise now) or bad (I don't remember any of the details of the previous issues).

17:27 / 14.10.06

Triplet's, thanks for manking my point for me in your first sentence. I was careful to compare comics to host of other industries in order to try and sidestep the "yes, but all industries are different" comeback. I know they're different, but for some reason deadlines are met in all the others.

Oh, and comics, they not like books, they're 22 pages long, and are usually serialised. A 22 page long comicbook every however months just isn't satisfying.

It's shit for arseholes and, like I said earlier, why on Earth anyone would want to stick up for this kind of thing is totally beyond me. Are we so bloody precious about the poor beleagured worrld of popular comicbooks that we're not allowed to make perfectly reasonable complaints now?

If lateness wasn't such a common issue I wouldn't give a shit. A few books a year I could handle - in fact, I probably wouldn't care - but it's not a few books, it's bloody loads of books and I suspect in many cases it could be avoided. But, of course that wont happen because, like Trips says, the fans have few options and are dedicated and will put up with this shit.

I count myself amongst those fans. I wish I didn't.

Boo me.

18:07 / 14.10.06

Sorry, terribly off-topic.

00:08 / 15.10.06

It's people like you who are killing comics, Boboss. Everyone? Don't speak to him. If we don't speak about Boboss he'll just go away.

14:26 / 15.10.06

Oh, I like the neokirbyesque artwork! "Marvel" at my new desktop.

And just last week, I again overheard the typical 7S conversation:

- Uhm, why did I never get that last issue?
- Nobody got it yet. It´s supposed to be published soon...

But when it does find its way into my sweaty little hands, I´ll have to reread the entire run again first.

Which way would be better: read the issues in the chronological order or one miniseries after the other?

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