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Jack Denfeld
05:33 / 06.05.06
I've been here since August 2001, and as far as raisins, I'll give ya 2 scoops!


ps please don't edit you post or I'll look very silly
 
 
Tom Coates
10:21 / 06.05.06
Wow this is a tricky one. And worth explaining a little, I think.

Bulleteer
Klarion
Shining Knight
Frankenstein
Zatanna
Mister Miracle
Guardian

I should start off by saying that as far as I'm concerned the top five of those are pretty much among the best things I've read this last year, so really it's about being spoiled for choice rather than being a guardian hater. I know loads of people aren't liking Bulleteer much, but for me there was something wonderful about the immersed in continuity stuff and the conventions and things that really appealled to hte fanboy in me, along with the whole recognition and exploration of hot superhero fantasies and dumb porno stuff. Very cool, I though.

In terms of characters, Klarion is awesome and I wish he was real and I wish I was him. Loved the plot in shining knight - the reveal totally WHOA'd me, and Frankenstein is really there because the last episode blew me away. Zatanna is a character I adore, and she was very sympathetically written, and I loved the ideas and the art, but was a little unconvinced by the stuff that actually happened, you know? I don't really get off on the Promethea / magical Alan Moorish approach to writing and being all abstract and lyrical, and - although the hand on the page thing was amazing and I totally touched it too to help her out - that was the coolest bit of a pretty puzzling set of events.

W/R/T Mister Miracle, I honestly think if they'd kept with the artist from the first episode that it might have been one of my favourites - but I found much of it quite difficult to read and identify with and that series was a lot about spectacle and shine and show-biz and I just wasn't feeling it. More specifically, I think I was desperate for some more obvious connection to the main narrative (or at least some connection to the main narrative) and I didn't get it, and that, frankly, pissed me off a bit. Guardian - I loved the Newsboy legion stuff and TOTALLY adored the ethnorobot episode - but I just didn't like him very much. All well written, all interesting. Seven Soldiers rocks like a bastard. Desperate for #1
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:57 / 06.05.06
Tom: In terms of characters, Klarion is awesome and I wish he was real and I wish I was him.

STRONG TRUTH, or somesuch.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
15:08 / 08.05.06
Geez, now I have to explain my reasonings on Barbelith? Stupid elitist Barberoyality demanding logical, well reasoned responses. Ruzzalfussalrableannoyscreamscream.

Hookay. My reasonings go as follows:
Zatanna is at the top of my list, because Zatanna is somewhere in my top five favorite DC characters of all time. Seriously. It borders on obsession. She doesn’t beat out Batman, but occasionally she does edge out Matter-Eater Lad. Depends what mood I’m in. So, Zatanna is always going to have a major edge over everyone else. Her mini was excellently written, with dramatic, amusing, and totally awesome parts all mixed together. Plus, the art is lovely.

Klarion is another favorite, I admit, though nowhere near as popular with me as Zatanna. I suppose I feel a bit of a connection with Klarion (which is the point, of course) the trouble-making youngster who goes against his parents wishes and ultimately saves the day. Plus, Teekl. Teekl rules.

Shining Knight and Frankenstein are a toss up. They form a bizarre debate within my head. The best I can describe it is that it’s evolved into a debate of which I love more: my love of intelligent stories based on Arthurian legend, or my love of Steven Segal movies. Each has their own individual merits, but I’m having trouble distinguishing them to the point of choosing which I like more. It makes sense in my head, really. So, I pick both for third place.

Guardian was extremely enjoyable. I love things like the Subway Pirates and issue 3’s robotic map of the planet was awesome and pointed at the same time. But my favorite character in this mini was easy, because I fell in love with her the moment I saw her: Chop Suzy. And I think that’s why this isn’t higher up on my list, because I instantly wanted her to be a character we’d see again sometime, and of course, she was doomed from the start.

Bulleteer was fun, but I think that due to the nature of being almost last in the run, the serious had to spend more time on dealing with the over all plot of the 7 Soliders serious than the earlier minis. Which is fine, I totally dig all the craziness of the real plot. But a lot of people on the board seem to have fallen in love with Alix’s character, and I just didn’t, I guess. It was fun. Just not Zatanna fun, for me at least.

And I did enjoy Mister Miracle, for the most part. For me, two things really distracted me from it. The first being that, well, I wanted crazy adventures with Barda and Scott on Apokolips. And once I realized I wasn’t going to get that, that was fine, I really liked what Grant ended up doing with them instead, even if I didn’t expect it. But also, I think the resolution in issue 4 was done too quickly. I think it would have gone better if the reality compressing had started in issue 3. But that’s just me.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:21 / 08.05.06
Guardian
Klarion
Shining Knight
Frankenstein

Zatanna
Bulleteer
Mister Miracle

The first four are really on more or less the same level, there were things that were wrong with them but on the whole they were pretty good.

Zatanna is a little lower, mainly because of the last issue, where Zatanna gets turned into her dark side by her evil father, who then decides that it's in her nature to transform herself back to her good self. Obviously. Otherwise, great.

Bulleteer. Too much laughing at fanboys. And I'm not being precious here. There's making jokes at people who don't have a sense of humour and there's making jokes about a subset of fans that will just seem as self-indulgent and too often this falls into that. I mean, I've never even wanted to go to a comics convention. Issues 2 & 4 are the only good issues.

Mister Miracle. Mister Miracle's other lives in issue 4 are the only time any of the characters show any danger of being believable. The rest of the time they are one dimensional cyphers rather than people. There's pretty much no link to the Seven Soldiers arc and when Darkseid is just a big black gangster rather than the DC universe's embodiment of evil, the character loses something. And then the series ends and Shilo wakes up and it was all a dream...
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
19:52 / 08.05.06
my list - i hate making those, but i've been a total sucker for 7S - is similar to Flowers' and goes as follows:

GUARDIAN
KLARION
ZATANNA
FRANKENSTEIN
MISTER MIRACLE
SHINING KNIGHT
BULLETEER
 
 
This Sunday
20:08 / 08.05.06
In a very rough order of goodness:


1.)Shining Knight - Pure and muddy!
Beautiful high-concept muddied up by all sorts of interesting complications, like the drag, the Camelot not-historical, and the Mob. And, y'know, a winged horse. Which are excellent.
Ystin's my hero. Lovely and angsty and pure and honest, stabbing people and playing moody, confused marvel boi, to the hilt. Yay!

2.)Zatanna - !no gnikcuf thgiR
For me, this was the very straight info-dump series, but it's written so around the context... it's the hermenuetic disguised as purely proairetic bursts of self-help, magick, and assistants.

3.)Klarion - Dickensian Goth Puritan Cuteness
Nice and fast and filled with the right mix of seedy suspiciousness and wide-eyed wonder and awe. Definitely, of them all, the ready-made, low-scale pop artefact, like that band that's just great playing at the bar downtown, but weird to see have a disc on a major label. Highschool art project with good production values.

4.)Bulleteer - Bang, baby, bang!
Weaponised T&A. Direct explication of "a bullet in the right place is no substitute for the real thing" and a decent analysis of many of the problems with superheroine comics, and super-comics in general.

5.)Mister Miracle - Superjesus Escape Mission is Go!
The torture scene was meaner than almost anything else in all these series, and the eventual not-dying will be made totally absolutely marvelous if MM buys it in the final 7S installment.

6.)Guardian - I've got a helmet!
It fuels my childrape machine-lover alien futurelording ravager theories, which I appreciate. The art was very cool, the conceits all worked, and if it had ended a little more solid, it'd definitely rank higher.


7.)Frankenstein - Smash! Eloquently and dead.
Leaving this at the bottom of the list, causes an appearance of displeasure, which there isn't. The horror, the sudden change of set and the general tone of fucking shit up is pretty entertaining. The Bride's fun. I dunno why it doesn't work for me more.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:06 / 09.05.06
I would challenge anyone, whether humble 'Lither or established comics writer, to write a better final two or three pages than the ones we got for Guardian #4. You want solid? How's about "We're taking it to the STREETS"?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
13:14 / 09.05.06
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
13:48 / 09.05.06
Flyboy: I would challenge anyone, whether humble 'Lither or established comics writer, to write a better final two or three pages than the ones we got for Guardian #4. You want solid? How's about "We're taking it to the STREETS"?

Well, for one thing, I would have had Lena "Guardian Girl" do something besides attend to Baby Brain silently and then brandish a gun while we all realize that in four issues, she is only just now being named. That made it read a bit awkward to me. "You...yes, you, unnamed background character with one line of dialogue...yes...YOU must be a Soldier! Oh, wait, did you know that a soldier is going to die? I mean, sure, technically I'm more likely to die because I'm a headliner - heh - but we've already seen that I survive."
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:04 / 09.05.06
What is this obsession people have with finding surrogate soldiers to take the place of one of the Seven and die? One of the characters who has had a miniseries is going to die, people. They may not stay dead, but they will die.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:26 / 09.05.06
Well, theory is that Morrison'll harken back to Wing taking the nebula-bullet up in Tibet for the original Seven Soldiers of Victory. He was the eighth soldier, barely, because Crimson Avenger was a big jerk and wouldn't let him join. It seems like the kind of misdirect that Morrison might play, especially because it his historical/symbolic precedence.
 
 
Mario
15:19 / 09.05.06
The fact that the first half of Frankie #4 takes place at Wing's tomb is suggestive.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:54 / 09.05.06
Yes, I found it most sexual.
 
 
Sniv
16:30 / 09.05.06
Or is it more that Frankie #4 takes place at Wing's tomb is suggested? I can't find anywhere in that issue (apart from the un-named, undetailed tomb, obviously) that says it's Wing's tomb. Although, that would be a cool little nod in the direction of history. Is that tomb featured in the original SS story?
 
 
Mario
17:01 / 09.05.06
It's not stated, but the logic is like this:

It's a tomb, in Tibet. It looks EXACTLY like the Tomb of the Unknowns in Washington DC.

After the original Seven Soldiers defeated the Nebula Man, in Tibet, the monks buried Wing in a tomb marked "To the Unknown Soldier of Victory".

It works for me.
 
 
_Boboss
17:16 / 09.05.06
I would challenge anyone, whether humble 'Lither or established comics writer, to write a better final two or three pages than the ones we got for Guardian #4. You want solid? How's about "We're taking it to the STREETS"?

not only that, but the two pages where they're in the swamp /face up to the terrible time tailor. just fucking ace comics, full of verve and rhythm, not to mention a truly shiversome evocation of horror, told with crispest cutesy-nasty pics. not only was that the best shero comics moment i can remember in basically ever, but i think i can stretch it out to say that it goes a large way to recontextualising the previous issues enough to pwn almost entirely any claim that the other issues or guardian were below par(which they just weren't - the slauhgter on the tube, the guy who gets so mullered through the first issue that he just explodes at the start of the second, the guy breaking his neck at the last jump from the train, and even the reviled third issue, with the newsboy basejumpers, the stammer and the 'slam! i'm leaving you! bosh! carla come back!' crosscutting, and

sorry, i think i maybe had a point at the start there before the gushing happened, and if so it's this - guardian at the top of the list motherfuckers.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
18:11 / 09.05.06
And yes, as rumored, Ystin does something nasty to the Riddler.

Because I'm not going to read it for awhile, and Wikipedia is being unhelpful, I'm curious. What exactly does Ystin do to Riddler that's uncomfortable?
 
 
The Falcon
18:13 / 09.05.06
Er, kicks him in the face or something. Not really very exciting.
 
 
Aertho
18:14 / 09.05.06
Ze hits the Riddler in the head. I think with a club, I'd be more worried if it were something more extreme, like hir sword.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
19:00 / 09.05.06
Oh, ok. The way Mario described it I thought maybe she cut off his hand or slept with him or something.
 
 
Spaniel
19:51 / 09.05.06
Grant Morrison, please write a Guardian ongoing series.

Love Bobossx
 
 
Sniv
20:01 / 09.05.06
Grant Morrison, please finish Seven Soldiers #1 first.

Johnx
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
20:12 / 09.05.06
Jack, more please. =D

love, H.
 
 
Mario
20:19 / 09.05.06
To be precise, Ystin maces him. With a real mace.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
23:52 / 09.05.06
pertinent specifically to MISTER MIRACLE, and to 7S and all things Morrison in general:

BBC: Universe 'child of previous one'
By Sarah Cruddas

A joint UK-US team has put forward an alternative theory of cosmic evolution.

It proposes that the Universe undergoes cycles of "Big Bangs" and "Big Crunches", meaning our Universe is merely a "child of the previous one".

It challenges the conventional view of the cosmos, which observations show to be 12-14 billion years old.

The new ideas, reported in the journal Science, may explain why the expansion of the Universe is accelerating, the researchers say.

A "dark matter" parallel universe may exist


 
 
Mario
00:21 / 10.05.06
Which way to the Outer Church?
 
 
This Sunday
00:24 / 10.05.06
Grant Morrison: Please have Ystin sleep with the Riddler in 'Seven Soldiers' #1.
 
 
Professor Silly
08:28 / 10.05.06
Riddler does seem the submissive type....
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
12:19 / 10.05.06
It proposes that the Universe undergoes cycles of "Big Bangs" and "Big Crunches", meaning our Universe is merely a "child of the previous one".

sweet. I wonder if Galen made it through to our universe this last time.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
14:06 / 10.05.06
But how will we combat him without an Ultimate Nullifier?
 
 
Mario
14:32 / 10.05.06
Hostess Fruit Pies?
 
 
matthew.
15:15 / 10.05.06
Congrats to grant and "Squinky" (or whatever) for managing to make it into a Salon article found here about the state of the comic book industry. The Salon article pushes GM's 7S and directs the reader to this page on Barbelith's FAQ.
 
 
Aertho
19:17 / 10.05.06
They got the vmeme sequencing wrong and my name's attributed to something I don't agree with. What should I do? Whozaguy in charge of the FAQ, that I might speak to about revisions?
 
 
Essential Dazzler
19:57 / 10.05.06
Just create an account and you're in charge.
 
  

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