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7 Soldiers

 
  

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Essential Dazzler
00:10 / 19.03.06
As far as I'm aware, the official word is that it happens one week before 8C, so yes, all mention of 7S characters appearing in 8C should really be spoiler tagged.
 
 
The Falcon
10:38 / 19.03.06
See, I think there's some intersection. There's a sufficiently oblique ref in the latest Frank; 7S takes place over 7, 8, 9 days, and 8C has been over what? 2-3 so far? 'Week leading up' or 'week leading in'?
 
 
eeoam
22:16 / 27.03.06
In an interview, Pete Tomasi expressed his hopes that GM's 7S proposal will be published in all its glory. Does anyone know it stands a chance of being included in the final TPB?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
01:34 / 29.03.06
speaking of which, has anyone ever brought up a possible archetypal analogy between 7 SOLDIERS and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA? I was watching last night the 2nd part of the season 2 opener and thought "hey, that ancient arrow Starbuck's carrying, that's a spear never thrown". hmmm...

Starbuck - Bulleteer [or Zatanna]
Helo - Mr. Miracle
Roslin - Zatanna [or Bulleteer]
Apollo - Guardian
Gaius - Klarion
Boomer [or Tigh] - Frankenstein
Adama - Shining Knight

and Cylons - Sheeda, enemies from the Past, and also from the Future, harvesting on the Present as we've made them our way, then saving us from ourselves etc etc.

Morrison has written the basis material for that recent Galactica game. I wonder if his work on that informed the new TV series, vice versa, or if anything from this project has leaked into the 7S proposal.

or if I'm just a tired übber-nerd with nothing better to think about on a Tuesday night...
 
 
Aertho
02:05 / 29.03.06
I don't watch Battlestar, Hector. How about you fill me in on why you feel each character is an analogy for its corresponding character?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
08:50 / 29.03.06
Cass, if you haven't watched even the mini-series that led to the 1st season of this remake, I'd spoil a lot of stuff for you and others. if you're cool with it I'll post how I think the characters have analog functions/templates.

[thinking further about this, the game may probably not feature said characters but more generic ones, but still I think the comparison applies]
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:10 / 29.03.06
Did you start with the Gaius/Klarion comparison and work from there, by any chance? Apollo/Guardian is arguable as they're both often reluctant but grimly resolute fighters, but that's hardly a unique characteristic. The others seem to involve a lot of reaching or, in the case of Starbuck and Roslin, simplistic gender-based reaching...
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
09:36 / 29.03.06
From eeoam's link:

...story beats that played out refreshingly unexpectedly...

...a project this size necessitated a schedule to hang on the wall...


And this guy is an editor? No wonder comics have such a bad rep.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
18:24 / 29.03.06
no, G, all of it has to do with how the characters work in their context. I'd say Roslin is more of a Bulleteer than Starbuck. it may be my running nose but now the whole idea seems a bit silly. anyway, here's it is:

[ok, BATTLESTAR GALACTICA SPOILERS from all seasons BELOW]





Sheeda - the Cylons, a race of androids created by humans from a far galaxy. they have rebelled, learned how to evolve, reproduce, plant human-like versions of themselves into a [heavily influenced by religious myth and technology] society scattered through a string of planets. which they nuke years after having lost the war to the humans. only a small fleet of ships survive, taking some 50.000 surviving humans to mythical Earth while constantly dodging Cylon attacks, who've now won the war.

Helo - a pilot that stays hopeless in the desolated Cylon-occupied planet of Caprica after leaving his seat in the ship for a civilian. until he finds pilot Boomer [supposed to be a Cylon] behind and both try to live in that post-nuclear reality. - Mr. Miracle

Boomer - there are two Boomers, both believed to be Cylons: one in Caprica with Helo, the other onboard Galactica; where she serves as a pilot and constantly fights her programming to sabotage every mission, never coming to terms with the fact that she may not be fully human - Frankenstein

Apollo - son of Commander Adama, the best fighter pilot along with Starbuck, a reluctant hero struggling with his position, the memory of his long-lost brother and torn between following Adama or president Roslin towards what's best for that small society, but always saving the day - Guardian

Adama - Commander of Galactica, a war hero from a past when the cylons were defeated that tries with difficulty to lead the fleet to a safe shelter in this day when the Cylon technology is way better than the human; while dealing with Roslin's plans for a democratic society that he doesn't see fit in this military situation - Shining Knight

Roslin - a former Minister of Education, she was named President as nobody survived in the highest positions to take the reponsibility, making her a fish out of water in that environment where only staying alive is what matters. although she faces a terminal illness, her prophetical hallucinations are believed to lead the way to Earth [or Kobol, the place of the Gods, where humans may keep a secret that only the Cylons know] - Bulleteer

Gaius - a world-wide renowned Cylon expert, was infected with the traits of a beautiful Cylon he dated who works as his twisted dark conscience force from beyond, leading him to willingly sabotaging some missions for personal benefit, which has to do the birth of a hybrid race of humans and Cylons - Klarion

Starbuck - a great but impulsive pilot, has done a lot of mistakes in the past [one of which led to the death of her boyfriend, Apollo's brother] Starbuck feels the weight of having to take the next step to help everybody, culminating in following Roslin's orders to travel back to Caprica and bring the Spear of Apollo, a mythical arrow that will fit in the puzzle for the way to redemption. - Zatanna


hope it made sense. I feel all nerdy and need a hot shower.
 
 
eeoam
13:50 / 31.03.06
Wouldn't Coby Bell (from the Tv show Third Watch) make a great Manhattan Guardian?
 
 
Aertho
14:05 / 31.03.06


Mmm. Too pretty. Whozat other guy Cameron suggested?

Are going to do this then?
Official Casting for Seven Soldiers now OPEN.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:23 / 31.03.06
My guy was Roger Cross from 24.
 
 
Aertho
14:40 / 31.03.06
Kind of obvious, but I think it might work.



Zatanna?
 
 
Malio
15:14 / 31.03.06
If you could find him as a boy. Or indeed find him at all...



Klarion.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
19:53 / 31.03.06
I started the following on the Bulleteer thread, but realised it has more relevance to this one: hope it's OK to transfer these comments over.

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miss wonderstarr
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With this and Frankenstein, which I also saved up for today, I've been wondering whether I'm expecting too much from Seven Soldiers. I enjoyed both while I was reading them, as a kind of candy hit, but they really don't integrate much into an overall story arc, do they? They're great in terms of adopting a different tone for each book, and rounding out new, intriguing, appealing characters (and secondary casts), and exploring different styles (gothic sci-fi, superhero porn) but they don't add up to a chapter in Seven Soldiers Vs Sheeda, in the same way as a chapter of 8C advances that narrative, or even a chapter in One Million worked as part of a larger story.

These feel more like trial runs for ongoing characters, mini-shots (they do feel like shots, in the down-in-one, little glass of buzz, alcoholic sense... in a good way) and experimental showcases, than tiles in a grand design.

Maybe this is a more general issue, that should even dare its own thread?


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Cassandra
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General in what way? Flesh out more of what you're thinking.

As far as the implication that MM, B, and Frank aren't as integrated... I figure it's that these three are more subtly integrated. And not even -cuz Frank's fighting Sheeda forces in two of his three thus far, and Bulleteer's spun tightly around issue zero. Miracle is, I'm sure, the most separate... but keep going Miss W.

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miss wonderstarr
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"General in what way? Flesh out more of what you're thinking."

General because I also felt it about Mister Miracle #4... like, oh is that it, it's over and there was maybe one off-hand reference to the Sheeda? I expected Seven Soldiers to be a quite tightly interlocking series where characters maybe appear in each others' stories (as would happen in a conventional crossover) or at least (which seems the basic minimum) all involve the title character engaging with the Sheeda on their own front.

The proposal and premise for 7S was all about the Sheeda as a plague enemy that had ravaged human civilisation since ancient Egypt -- the Archons, the Lloigor, the Schiriron, an ultimate threat with the capacity and malice to wipe us out as a species. You would think this might touch on the life of even a second-string superhero. You would think that over four issues, this threat might be hinted at.

I realise that the trials and struggles undertaken by Mister Miracle, Alix Harrower and Frankenstein have connections to the overall plot -- sometimes links that require detection, but they're rarely totally detached from the rest of 7S.

But having read 3 issue #4s in a week, I find myself a little disappointed that they didn't click into a greater sense of narrative clockwork... that they didn't conclude with a satisfying fit into the larger story. That each of them ends with a promise that the title character will battle the Sheeda, but barely any of them know the Sheeda spineriders from Adam Ant.

Maybe I'm just fearful (not too strong a word maybe, after buying 16 issues of first-wave, 11 of second, and one double-size special) that Seven Soldiers 2 can't pull it off, can't wrap it up and give a satisfying end to this story, given that the second-wave mini-series have had such little connection with the big battle.

I really want to finish 7S with a feeling of wondrous satisfaction, that Morrison performed the conjuring trick and tied the strands within a final issue. I just worry that he hasn't left himself enough ribbon.


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Cassandra
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Hmmm... well consider Guardian. The only Sheeda there were in flashback, and then en masse at the very very end, as Jake went out to take it to the streets. Talk about wanting/needing more.

But I understand what you mean. I still have hope though.
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
20:14 / 31.03.06
One thing that I keep thinking about is that in the run-up to Seven Soldiers, we kept being told that it was "a new kind of storytelling." I thought that was hype at the time, but maybe this disconnection you're talking about is the literal manifestation of the marketing hype: Seven Soldiers is the first mega-crossover where the actual crossing-over is in some cases microscopic and the overarching structure can only be seen from certain angles.

But yeah, maybe it's premature to be trying to work this out when we still have a bookend issue coming to tie things up and deliver some payoffs.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:23 / 31.03.06
Yeah, that's the generous way of looking at it. It'd be a shame if the "new kind of storytelling" was "largely-independent four-part minis to launch possible new GM characters, with a few references to Infinite Crisis dropped in at the last minute. Oh yeah and the Sheeda are going to kill us all and these guys are Earth's last hope... find out in 13 months after you've bought £30 of comics."
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:25 / 31.03.06
Wonderstarr: But having read 3 issue #4s in a week, I find myself a little disappointed that they didn't click into a greater sense of narrative clockwork... that they didn't conclude with a satisfying fit into the larger story. That each of them ends with a promise that the title character will battle the Sheeda, but barely any of them know the Sheeda spineriders from Adam Ant.

I'm thinking, in terms of Alix & Bulleteer, her function in the narrative and in her mini is as the "spear not thrown," right? Her absence from the Sheeda plot (and vice versa) is one of those important absences, potent absences. Hence Spyder gunning for her and the Vigilante showing up in the end. Her series is all about grief and this fruitless (emotion-wise) search for Sally Sonic, with bits of Sheeda and Seven Soldiers creeping in, Helligan pointing out that she should have been there at Miracle Mesa, that she should be more integrated into the story but she ran off in the other direction. I think that's actually important to the story, because her absence continues to make her a threat to the Sheeda - they're used to fighting Seven Soldiers who stand together, united in purpose. Disparate threads who don't even necessarily want to be involved, ofen nowhere near each other - that's a new tactic for them.

& remember ... mention the Faery Folk and they tend to show up. So Alix remaining (mostly) in the dark, Sheeda-wise, protects her for the final battle.

For me, Mister Miracle is where it breaks down, because we don't get any idea how Dark Side and the Evil Gods or the New Gods actually relate to the Sheeda or the overarching plot. Bulleteer's all about avoiding the Sheeda outright, being kept in the dark about them. Frankenstein is the "old way" of dealing with the Sheeda, blood and misery. Shilo's the one that we're given no threads.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:25 / 31.03.06
Revisiting post 1, page 1:

A devastating global threat is on its way — one never imagined nor prepared for. It consumes entire civilizations and leaves behind only ruins. It razed Camelot and bombed the Rama kingdoms back to dirt. It strip-mines and enslaves whole cultures. Its hunger is unstoppable; its origins, unspeakable. Now this devouring empire of cruelty-without-limits has set its sights on the treasures of the 21st century.

Like a plague of locusts, the terrifying Sheeda are returning to harvest the Earth. All that stands between our world and these destroyers are the mysterious "Seven Soldiers" of legend. Seven men and women with extraordinary abilities and big problems must lay their lives on the line for the future of humankind. Seven reluctant champions must arise and somehow work together to save the world...without ever meeting one another. How? Where? Who? There's only one way to find out.


I don't think this awe-inspiring horror, and the scale of the threat the Sheeda are meant to pose, have really been evident in most of the 7S books.

Off the top of my head -- 7S #0, Guardian #4, Shining Knight #1 and at a push Bulleteer #3 are the only episodes I remember where the Sheeda even approach this kind of terrifying presence as all-consuming conquerors of humankind.

There is little sense that the characters have had to "arise", let alone "work together" against this enemy so far. They've all gone through an important cycle in their own lives, so in a broader sense I'd accept that they do "arise", but I think it's also fair to say that the blurb above suggests a more specific taking up of arms against the Sheeda.



In an ambitious new storytelling venture, writer Grant Morrison and a group of top artists combine their talents to redefine the super-hero concept for a new century. Entertainers, losers, victims, exiles, wannabes...the stars of SEVEN SOLDIERS are a long way from anyone's ideal of a traditional costumed hero. But they just may be our only chance of survival.


I'd credit the series with success as far as this paragraph goes. Perhaps that's what it's done best -- effectively and swiftly create new niches of superheroism, based around subgenres and unexpected archetypes, and gift us with glimpses into some extraordinary (memorable, complicated, often quite loveable) people's lives.


Who lives? Who dies? Who washes the dishes? Who betrays humankind to its once and future Enemy? Get the answers to these questions and many more


Weeell... I don't know if we'll find out about the dishes, but the three key questions are still waiting to be answered, with I think 29 books down, and only one to go. And it's not as if we have any real idea who should live or die, or turn traitor. There's no obvious clue to any of those answers. I tend to feel there should be, by now; there should be some seed of betrayal in there, somewhere, surely?




The SEVEN SOLDIERS saga comprises seven 4-issue miniseries and two bookend Specials — all which may be read independently but combine to tell a colossal 30-part tale of death, betrayal, failure, joy, loss, romance, triumph and redemption. As a new generation of super-heroes grapples with a harsher, weirder world, Morrison combines dazzling super-hero action and serial fiction with horror, mystery, epic fantasy and gothic pulp to carve out a new corner in the DCU.


Again, to be fair I'd give the series an ovation for its achievements on these terms.


With a gigantic, interweaving cast of characters—many drawn from DC's incomparable history and reimagined by Morrison and his collaborators—Including vampire knights, crippled ex-super-heroes, subway pirates, puritan death machines, liquid nitrogen-blooded assassins, deathless Mafia dons, wounded gods, angry fiancées and talking winged horses, the universe of the Seven Soldiers is rich in wonder, drama and hardcore action.

This groundbreaking mega-series begins with a 38-page complete adventure, SEVEN SOLDIERS #0, that introduces readers to their twilight world and establishes plotlines that will reverberate throughout the entire megaseries.


Hmm. Well, those plotlines have directly touched on the episodes that heavily featured the Sheeda (I mentioned those I could remember, above) and on the Guardian flashback episodes (again, #4) and the Bulleteer report on the last seven soldiers (again, #3), but I'm not sure how much those plotlines reverberate through Klarion, Mister Miracle or Frankenstein (#1-3).

I'm not being too picky, I hope. I think Morrison has built some great characters and casts, and has really scored in creating subgeneric worlds for each title, with a different voice, tone and style for each. Each title is like an immersion in a vivid, detailed story-sphere.

But whether they interlock and overlap as much as (I think) was offered at the start... I'm not yet convinced.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:38 / 31.03.06
Wonderstarr: I don't think this awe-inspiring horror, and the scale of the threat the Sheeda are meant to pose, have really been evident in most of the 7S books.

It's a bit of an overhype. I think part of the problem is that it's easy to forget there's actually three sides to this coin: The Seven Unknown Men and their Seven Soldiers; Gloriana Tenebrae and the Sheeda; and Melmoth, renounced king of Faerie, exiled in the past to walk the long millenia home. And the Sheeda themselves have been particularly absent for the majority of the second wave. Frankenstein might not grasp that Melmoth isn't actually with the Sheeda anymore.

But whether they interlock and overlap as much as (I think) was offered at the start... I'm not yet convinced.

I think that part is actually successful ... I think the hyper might have just suggested that the overlap would be more concrete. In that way it is a new comic book storytelling conceit ... the crossover which isn't a crossover. Well, not that new, more like the first mega-crossover of its kind. Team-ups that don't happen have, ah, happened before. They overlap in unexpected and microscopic ways, as has been said -- you don't always see that, for example, the Sheeda warrior glimpsed in a jar in Cassandra Craft's shoppe is probably the spine-rider that rode Mo Colley when he was hanging with the Newsboy Army. It's a small connection that isn't readily apparent, but it does remind us that the "invisible mystery strings" (Ali Ka-Zoom said it) really are running between things. And maybe Shilo is all about escaping those invisible mystery strings...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:39 / 31.03.06
Helligan pointing out that she should have been there at Miracle Mesa, that she should be more integrated into the story but she ran off in the other direction. I think that's actually important to the story, because her absence continues to make her a threat to the Sheeda - they're used to fighting Seven Soldiers who stand together, united in purpose. Disparate threads who don't even necessarily want to be involved, ofen nowhere near each other - that's a new tactic for them.


Yeah, I hope that becomes meaningful in the conclusion, because it would make a lot of sense and justify a great deal about the failure to integrate and overlap... the fact is (according to this theory) that the Sheeda would have wiped out your conventional hero crossover, where they all meet up, gather their forces, visit each other's cities, appear on each other's front covers, put in guest cameos and pose for group-shot splash-pages.

The Sheeda (again, if it works the neat way you're saying) will lose because this is a departure from conventional superhero mega-narratives. It's not playing to rules they recognise. It's not a team they recognise. Because these guys aren't even in a genre they recognise (?) -- they're not superheroes, they're a monster, a page-girl, a subterranean teen, a cop, a hip-hop celeb, a second-string magician, a wannabe who doesn't wannabe any more. Mostly they're oblivious to the Sheeda threat until the last page, or even beyond the last page. They have their own problems. They're from gothic horror, gossip mags, journalism, counterculture magick, time-travel legend, fairy-tale -- not mainstream superhero comics.

Maybe the Sheeda are vulnerable to them because they're not a team, they're not a narrative, they're not costumed and caped wonders. They're not the known enemy. They're not readable. They're not coherent.

So... and yes, I hope this is true, because it's the only great way out that I can see right now... the seven soldiers will win because of what seem to be the "flaws" in the series, which are in fact their one hope and unique strength. Their gaps, their lack of linearity, their hybridity, their lack of integration.

Which suggests that the Sheeda are traditional "readers" of culture and history, used to simple, straightforward generic codes and conventions, and linear, traditional-realist narratives. I wonder if that holds any weight.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:10 / 31.03.06
Wonderstarr: the Sheeda would have wiped out your conventional hero crossover, where they all meet up, gather their forces, visit each other's cities, appear on each other's front covers, put in guest cameos and pose for group-shot splash-pages.

I absolutely love this description, and the faint suggestion that the JLA spend a lot of time posing for photographs.

a wannabe who doesn't wannabe any more.

Alix intrigues me because she's cursed/blessed/granted super-powers, but instead of actually going out and saving people, she ends up as a bodyguard. In-story this is because she needs the money, but I like that while she is clearly the one closest to the superhero straightforward genre, she still fails to integrate into it.

Which suggests that the Sheeda are traditional "readers" of culture and history, used to simple, straightforward generic codes and conventions, and linear, traditional-realist narratives. I wonder if that holds any weight.

I think this how I'm leaning, in my reading of Seven Soldiers. I've got no idea if GM will be able to actually pull this all together and give us this with #1, but we can certainly hope. The Sheeda are the neo-retro-Silver-Ageists (Morrison, I think, includes himself in this group, certainly), pillaging the super-hero comics of before to produce "new" ones today. However, they harrow what isn't needed, and this mirrors the common failing of ignoring other genres (Shining Knight might simply be about the fact that Prince Valiant wouldn't do well in today's market) while pillaging.
 
 
Mario
22:55 / 31.03.06
Something just occurred to me.

If Alix was part of Greg's 7... wouldn't that imply that there's a DIFFERENT 7th soldier in this batch? It was a backup plan, after all.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:02 / 31.03.06
Well, either the Unknown Men are forcing Alix to be #7 (with a bullet), or it's...Misty.
 
 
Aertho
23:13 / 31.03.06
My thoughts exactly.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
06:53 / 01.04.06
The Sheeda are the neo-retro-Silver-Ageists (Morrison, I think, includes himself in this group, certainly), pillaging the super-hero comics of before to produce "new" ones today. However, they harrow what isn't needed, and this mirrors the common failing of ignoring other genres (Shining Knight might simply be about the fact that Prince Valiant wouldn't do well in today's market) while pillaging.

I don't... quite follow.

Firstly, you're saying Morrison as a neo-retro-SilverAgeist, identifies with the Sheeda?

Secondly, you're saying the Sheeda pillage (appropriate and re-use, in this context?) Silver Age mythos, harrowing (= "ignoring", in your metaphor?) certain genres. But harrowing doesn't really mean "ignoring" to me, and I didn't get the sense that the Sheeda make tactical runs on our culture, taking certain iconography and myths for their own uses. More that they ravage and destroy the lot.

Thirdly, the team we've seen the Sheeda successfully decimate was a Dark Age team, a post-modern ragtag of "mature readers" superheroes (culturally savvy, sexy, amoral) -- a late 80s/1990s batch. I'd expect their story in #0 followed, basically, the conventions of superhero comics from that period. So, according to my little theory, this is something the Sheeda can read, understand and conquer. (They did the same with the knights of Arthurian legend, another traditional, established, easily-identifiable hero group, working within another kind of narrative -- ballad? I don't know) that they can understand and chew up. These two groups, po-mo superhero and Arthurian knights, were both within two easily-targetted genres, with conventions a Sheeda/reader can easily learn and, in doing so, read/understand/conquer. Reading is an act of MASTERY. Over text, story and characters. We as readers know what character types the last seven soldiers were; we've seen all that before, in countless comics of the last decade. Their movements and behaviour are more predictable.

I've suggested that these new seven will win because (more obviously) they're not a hero group, and (more interestingly) they're not in a coherent narrative.
They're not part of an easily-readable, satisfying, interlocking mega-series and story-arc. So the reason it frustrates me (for instance, and perhaps others) as a superhero story is exactly the reason the soldiers will have an advantage over the Sheeda -- they resist classification, they're from miscellaneous largely-forgotten or ignored genres, their story is frustratingly hard to master and view as an overall arc.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
07:27 / 01.04.06
So, yeah, what I was working towards there is this interesting conclusion:

The reader is the Sheeda.
 
 
LDones
10:38 / 01.04.06
The Sheeda are humanity unable to cope with tragedy.

They're comic readers and writers strip-mining the past of any and all meaning in a desperate, destructive bid to prolong the halcyon-day pleasure of their 'present'.

They're old children who won't grow up and accept that their lives must end and they must be replaced.
 
 
Mario
11:18 / 01.04.06
The reader is the Sheeda.

That almost rhymes....

I'm personally not convinced that there will be a clear metafictional aspect to the Sheeda. Sometimes, a marauding race from the far future is just a marauding race from the far future.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
12:38 / 01.04.06
I'm not convinced that it will be made clear, but I would think it might be part of Morrison's intention. I also think it's probably the cleverest thing I'll say all weekend.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:22 / 01.04.06
Mm. This being a Grant Morrison story, I think it's more likely that the Reader is, in fact, the missing Seventh Soldier. In SS#1 we'll all be invited to clap hands if we believe in faeries, and we'll bring the Sheeda back into the light.
 
 
Mug Chum
23:54 / 01.04.06
I got to agree with Wonderstarr and Jack Fear. Sheeda's characteristcs always were pretty close to the reader's imaginary of nowadays and his own function to the story and creation and "harrowing".
(and I personally believe includes "from the future" bit as well)
 
 
Optimistic
15:28 / 02.04.06
I think it's time for some folks around these parts to start having tantrums! Browsing DCs website reveals Frankenstein number 4 has been pushed back to April 26th, with SS number 1 all the way in the far flung future of May 17th.


Shame it's not finishing this week, huh?
 
 
Aertho
15:36 / 02.04.06
Damn Damn Damn. Ah well. I think wonderstarr and IMS and Mario and others can spin a few things to talk about in the meantime. No tantrums here.

So race relations? Meta-commentary on comics industry? Meta-commentary on contemporary respect for history? Is Sheeda the Anti-Phoenix? Is Neb-U-loh the Anti-Harlequinade? Are the Soldiers heroes meant to be misunderstood by the "general" audience? And where does Morrison go from here?
 
 
Mario
16:01 / 02.04.06
I blame Ryan "drank the Marvel water" Sook.

Anyway, I'm not sure WHAT to expect in SS #1, except that I seriously doubt it'll be a fight. Oh, blood will be shed (as well as various fluids that replace blood) and there may very well be a death, but the day won't be won by force.

My gut instinct is that, instead of being defeated, the Sheeda will be redeemed. That seems to be Grant's major theme, these days.
 
  

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