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7 Soldiers

 
  

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CameronStewart
22:17 / 19.09.05
As I posted on the V, where those annotations were from:



>>>The headline from the front page of the Guardian - 'headless horror in haunted hospital' - a reference to the beheaded Galahad, perhaps?<<<

Nope. Grant didn't write this headline, I made it up on the spot as a silly "News of the World" style tabloid headline. No significance to the narrative.

>>>The date of Tyree Plantain's death is 9.13.03, as displayed on the CCTV recording. Is this significant?<<<

Not in the slightest. Random numbers I chose when doing the artwork.

>>>The 'Ghost Pirates' article appears to mention The Authority (although it is almost certainly a truncation of 'the authorities', but it remains a curious possibility).<<<

Absolutely not a reference to The Authority, simply the partly-obscured word "authorities."

>>>>Behind the stranded Guardian-Mobile is a Pumpkin Taxi - contrast to the 'Gypsy Taxi' in Zatanna and to the Pumpkin Taxi being joyridden by the Deviant Ones in Klarion. Is this a Cinderella reference? - In the DCU, New York is referred to as the "Cinderella city", with its two "ugly stepsisters", Metropolis and Gotham, grabbing all the attention.<<<

Grant explained the Cinderella City stuff to me and suggested the name Pumpkin Cabs for the taxi company. It was our colourist Moose Baumann who appropriately decided to colour them orange.

>>>The map of the secret tunnels looks more like the London tube map than the New York one... or more like a spider's web, perhaps.<<<

No significance other than me being a slightly crap cartographer.

>>>Perhaps Edward J. Lincoln of the Newsboy Army (#49 - 7x7) is another unsung hero?<<<

The name Edward J. Lincoln and his Newsboy Army membership number were both invented by me, and have no significance.

>>>>A skeleton in the House of Croatoan is holding a tattered red flag in the background of the pirates' fight, which is a possible link to Lancelot on the first page of Shining Knight #1.<<<

Nope, just a random detail I threw in.

>>>Do the grave markers at Jake's father in law's funeral have any significance? The names are [?Ge?]rrard, McLeod, Shannon, Murray, Bluth and Christine Taylor...<<<

The names Carraro, McLeod, Shannon, and Murray are the surnames of all the people with whom I share my studio (Kagan McLeod and Steve Murray are also caricatured in the comic). Bluth comes from Arrested Development, which I was watching at the time I drew that page, and the particular episode was guest starring Christine Taylor (Ben Stiller's wife).

Sorry to rain on the parade, I just found it amusing that so many random details I threw in are being studied for their significance...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:20 / 19.09.05
No these meanings are all real you were channelling teh supercontext
 
 
Triplets
22:25 / 19.09.05
Next week: Cameron tells orphaned children, "Santa doesn't exist, you shits".
 
 
CameronStewart
22:42 / 19.09.05
Well he doesn't.
 
 
Aertho
22:42 / 19.09.05
Trip: Was that an Arrested Development reference?

Cuz it sounded like one.
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
12:11 / 22.09.05
Had a thought this morning: since Ed admitted in Guardian #4 that he and El Mar manipulated Jake into becoming a superhero, does that qualify him (or El Mar, or both) to be one of the Seven Unknown Men? Either one certainly qualifies as a lesser-known DCU character (well, if El Mar was an eisting Newsboy adjunct). As a bonus, Ed even knows the location of the shack where the SUM where seen in Seven Soldiers #0.
 
 
Mario
14:19 / 22.09.05
Or did someone else tell them to manipulate Jake?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:43 / 26.09.05
The Seven Unknown Men are probably the original Seven Soldiers of Victory, cut free from history by the original Crisis, they've become like John a Dreams, able to walk outside the universe and slide back in whenever they want, to drown innocence and force the child into adolesence.

I like red wine.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:59 / 27.09.05
I like that idea.
 
 
Aertho
14:24 / 27.09.05
Well, that's two.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
15:39 / 27.09.05
hmmm, don't think so, some of the original ones are still around as active heroes.

maybe it's a gathering of the several entities that brought them together or fought them through the ages.
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
20:28 / 29.09.05
I don't think anyone has mentioned this - and if someone did and I didn't notice, well... sorry.

Anyway, I was watching Samurai 7 yesterday, which is this anime series sorta based on Akira Kurosawa's Seven Samurai.

Now, I haven't seen that movie, but from what I know is about this village that gets pillaged by bandits every once in a while, and the villagers get tired of that crap and hire seven samurai to beat bandits. Now, change village for Earth, samurai for superheroes and bandits for faeries from the land of the vampire sun and there you go. I suppose it also works with The Magnificent Seven version.

Not all that particularly interesting - yeah, I know - but I thought I would share anyway.
 
 
Aertho
20:37 / 29.09.05
Perhaps the next question would be for those who've not seen either film:

How do the Seven defeat the bandits? What happens?
 
 
Jack Fear
21:23 / 29.09.05
See also The Magnificent Seven and a slew of other films, including A Bug's Life.
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
21:26 / 29.09.05
Can't say about Bug's Life, but the Magnificent Seven was based directly on Akira Kurosawa's Seven Samurai.

Were there seven insects in Bug's Life?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
22:21 / 29.09.05
Seven Samurai was, in turn, based on the science fiction classic Battle Beyond The Stars.
 
 
Mark Parsons
23:40 / 29.09.05
...in the BizarroeUniverse, maybe SEVEN SAMURAI (1954) is based on 1980's BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS, but where I live Corman follows Kurosawa. Unless the TTT is at work undermining our reality...
 
 
The Natural Way
10:49 / 30.09.05
How do they defeat the bandits? They do a lot of waiting. They make access difficult. Defend the weak points. And a few of them snuff it. Basic strategies. Nothing special.

Absolutely no-one achieves the realisation that they're a 5D squid rotating in n-space.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:10 / 30.09.05
....in the BizarroeUniverse, maybe SEVEN SAMURAI (1954) is based on 1980's BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS...

In the Bizarro Universe, maybe you recognize an obvious joke when you see one, genius.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:15 / 30.09.05
Chad: How do the Seven defeat the bandits? What happens?

You could always just watch the movie, you know.

In fact, you should anyway, if you don't want to be marked as an ignorant yahoo all your life.

I'm just sayin'.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:28 / 30.09.05
Anyway, wedding-shame is right. The two main tactics are:

a) Divide and conquer—draw the bandits into heavily-defended kill-boxes in a series of skirmishes, and

b) Allow the peasants to defend themselves—train them in the use of basic arms (which, remember, was taboo in the time period in which the film is set), and let them do much of the dirty work under the command of the samurai (or the gunslingers, in the case of The Magnificent Seven, which really is almost a scene-by-scene remake).

What's really important is the tone, which is somber overall, almost elegiac. Major themes: the disruptive power of violence—the peasants are forever transormed by discovering their own capacity for violence: it upsets what their assumptions about the natural order of things.

And in each film, there's a young would-be warrior who is so disillusioned by his first taste of battle that he lays down his weapons and joins the farmers.

Also the loneliness and ultimate futility of a warrior's life. You know that none of these guys, even the ones who survive the big battle, are going to die in their beds. Best summed up at the end of The Magnificent Seven, when Steve McQueen says, "Well, we won," and Yul Brynner replies, "Only the farmers won. We lost. We always lose."

What any of this has to do with Seven Soldiers, I don't know. But that last point seems significant in light of the fact that the "...of Victory" seems to have gone missing.
 
 
Aertho
11:46 / 30.09.05
You could always just watch the movie, you know.

Hm. You do realize I was attempting to draw out discourse regarding the storylines of Seven Soldiers and Seven Samurai? Examine the plot parallels, if there were any. We've seen Seven Soldieers already draw from other forms of literature, and reference dozens of "sevens". I'm sure Morrison would have seen Seven Samurai; the Sheeda = bandits is obvious enough. As I've not seen the movie — yet — I was hoping others would fill in the blanks for the purposes of the forum.

Sheesh.
 
 
Aertho
11:48 / 30.09.05
Oh. Alright then. Thanks, Jack.
 
 
Are Being Stolen By Bandits
16:02 / 30.09.05
Amazon Listing for Seven Soldiers Vol. I

Hmm...if this is legit, it would suggest that the whole thing's going to be collected into two trades, the first containing #0 plus the first 4 miniseries, the second (presumably) compiling the remaining miniseries, and the final bookend issue. It's a sensible enough way of doing it, but I still reckon that anyone reading this for the first time in trade will have missed out on a lot of the pleasure of the series. A lot of the fun so far has stemmed from spotting the links, both subtle and obvious, between different titles as each new issue has come out, after all. There wouldn't really have been any easy way round that problem, though - I wonder if the book will reproduce the issues in publication order, or character-by-character? I'd suspect the latter, but either would be interesting...

Still, good to see that it's getting a prompt trade release. Hopefully the second volume will follow pretty soon after the series wraps up.
 
 
LDones
16:46 / 30.09.05
Interesting. Now to wonder if they'll print each series whole in order, or each issue as they were released. It'd be a drastically different reading experience getting the whole of Shining Knight before getting a chance to read any of Guardian or Zatanna.

Wonder if they'd hold up as well like that.
 
 
Mark Parsons
19:26 / 30.09.05
"In the Bizarro Universe, maybe you recognize an obvious joke when you see one, genius."

Jokes are usually funny in some way, NewsaramaBoy...
 
 
Jack Fear
21:59 / 30.09.05
"NewsaramaBoy"? Dude, you wouldn't know funny if it bit you on the ass.

Face it: you got PwnZored. Somebody made with the haha, and you took the bait.

You know what? It happens. It's happened to me, even.

It stings a little at first, kinda like taking one in the nuts—but you've gotta just be a man and walk it off. Yelling at the ref won't make it hurt any less.

So buck up, big guy. You'll get over it. We're all pulling for you.
 
 
Mario
22:48 / 30.09.05
Bit surprised at that...I was expecting them to include JLA Classified #1-3
 
 
Mark Parsons
01:03 / 01.10.05
" Dude, you wouldn't know funny if it bit you on the ass."

Beg to differ, but different strokes, etc.

But I still think your joke sucks, or is at very least flat, oh schoolmarmish barometer of netiquette.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
02:05 / 01.10.05
Hey, anyone notice that this thread in which Furioso and Jack debate whether a joke is funny has the exact same name as a Grant Morrison comic? Coincidence?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
02:47 / 01.10.05
are they after the Irony Die? the 7S hypersygil must be working already.

wait... what's that noise? a... subway car?

SHIIIT!
 
 
Mark Parsons
15:58 / 01.10.05
Thank you Phex, for helping me to be a less Off-Topic Barbelithean.

Saw something on Newsarama wherein DiDio confirms that 7S is taking place in the IC DCU. Or at least Zatana is...
 
 
Aertho
16:14 / 01.10.05
Waitaminit. Isn't all of DCU now IC-related?
 
 
Triplets
18:53 / 01.10.05
Lady: Seven Unknown Men are probably the original Seven Soldiers of Victory, cut free from history by the original Crisis

Hec: hmmm, don't think so, some of the original ones are still around as active heroes.


Yeh, their post-Crisis existences are, but their pre-Crisis selves are still unmade. Ghosts that never lived. So Lady's idea still stands.

Which ties into the John-a-Dreams/Ragged Robin/Jean Grey meme that dying or unexisting can put you outside the universe (where you enevitably have to save it etc and so on).
 
 
Mark Parsons
21:46 / 01.10.05
"Waitaminit. Isn't all of DCU now IC-related?"

I recall some speculation that 7S was not quite a part of the DCU, or at very least that it ouwld be unaffected by other titles and to some extent continuity.
 
  

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