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diz
08:25 / 18.08.05
While I agree, to be fair, that above quote from DiDio (or whomever) seems to suggest otherwise.

the quote seems from the twat who did the interview, putting words in DiDio's mouth between soundbites. sloppy writing and reporting false assumptions as self-evident facts.

no, but seriously, Zatanna referenced Identity Crisis and her current character arc in #3. that's very specific.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
11:57 / 18.08.05
i agree. just the sheer fact that she is in 7S, must mean it is set in the DCU. after all, she was quite recently involved in a major DCU event.

Good, I just wanted to be sure I hadn't missed some huge fact about this series.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:13 / 18.08.05
There is some question about the conflicting origins of Solomon Grundy - in 7S, he was killed by mob justice for being a suspected pedophile, but I've seen his origin depicted with him being murdered after being robbed, although you can probably handwave that away with hypertime.

It's -possible- that Cyrus Gold was killed so long ago that local legends about his death have been altered by rumour, but the versions of events seem a bit divergent. When, generally, was he supposed to have died? He'd been around for a while by the time he first fought Alan Scott, mm?

That and the multiplication of Sir Justin of the original Soldiers and Ystin (which is referenced in #0) are the bits that frustrate the equation, but Morrison's probably using hypertime even though nobody else is. The inclusion of the original Soldiers and Sir Justin very clearly in the image seems too specified and intentional.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:31 / 18.08.05
Now, apparently there was a folk rhyme about Solomon Grundy before he was ever used in DC Comics. But I've never heard of this folk rhyme. Anyone else ever hear of it? (it's the 'born on monday, died on tuesday, came back to life on Wed.,' thing...)
 
 
Mario
14:34 / 18.08.05
"Solomon Grundy,
Born on Monday,
Christened on Tuesday,
Married on Wednesday,
Took ill on Thursday,
Worse on Friday,
Died on Saturday,
Buried on Sunday:
This is the end
Of Solomon Grundy."
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
14:38 / 18.08.05
Actually, it's:
Solomon Grundy
Born on a Monday
Took him for a drink on Tuesday
We were making love by Wednesday
And on Thursday and Friday and Saturday
Died on Sunday
 
 
Aertho
14:47 / 18.08.05
Sounds charming. How'd he turn homicidal?
 
 
A fall of geckos
15:05 / 18.08.05
Apparently it's a riddle rhyme.

The riddle is how can someone live out all these events of their life, apparently in one week. The answer is that he does each of the actions on different days, in different years.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
16:17 / 18.08.05
Zatanna referenced Identity Crisis

"And worst of all I got caught"

Was Zatanna involved in the mindwiping thing?
 
 
Mario
16:24 / 18.08.05
She DID the mindwiping.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:43 / 18.08.05
Perhaps Fairweather's version is like the pub drinking song version...?

I wonder when this rhyme first showed up? It sounds like of late 1800s/early 1900s to me.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:52 / 18.08.05
That's very interesting, Finderwolf - upon what do you base that conjecture?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:15 / 18.08.05
Prolley cuz it's naughty.

Insofar as I just read Klarion 3, well. Raise your hand if you think that Mister Melmouth was the dirty bad boy that the rest of the Newsboy Army chucked down a deep hole for doing something bad?

So far we've had one of the Newsboys in each of the books; Kid Scarface in SK, "Ed" Stargard in Guardian, and Ali Ka-Zoom in Zee. I suspect that Klarion's been saddled with the evil betrayer.
 
 
Aertho
19:26 / 18.08.05
Sunuvabitch, Papers. Good call.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:14 / 18.08.05
Possibly., First time I think it was collected was in Mother Goose's Nursery Rhymes, which was indeed released in th emid-late 1800s. I think it's older than that, though. It may be a riddle, but it sounds also like a vegetative ritual.

Is everyone goood on the history of Solomon Grundy?
 
 
diz
20:32 / 18.08.05
this series is frustrating the beejeezus out of me, not through any fault of its own. i'm moving around a lot, and i'm not hauling my comics around with me, so i've basically been buying each individual issue without being able to read the back issues for reference. it's very hard to keep track of things.
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:39 / 18.08.05
Solomon Grundy
    In 1894, the wealthy Cyrus Gold was attacked by a man named Jem, who wanted Gold's money. Jem's girlfriend Rachel Rykel, was a prostitute Gold had once bought services from, and the two had tried to blackmail Gold about it. When Gold refused to pay her, Jem severely injured him, took his money, and left the body to die in the murky heart of Gotham City's Slaughter Swamp. In the moment before sinking under the mud, Cyrus Gold cursed his murderers and swore to God, he would somehow be revenged.

    Over the next fifty years, Gold's skeleton lay at the swamp's bottom, accumulating decaying leaves, rotting wood, and other debris, and gradually formed into a gigantic creature that somehow imitated a strange form of pseudo-life. It has been speculated that this creature was destined to become an Earth Elemental, but that the process failed because one of the important ingredients of it was missing: fire.

    In 1944, this creature rose from the swamp, with tremendous strength and some dormant memories that for example allowed him to speak English, but not knowing what he was, and not remembering Cyrus Gold or his fate.

    ventually, Grundy and his allies were found by Green Lantern Alan Scott and his pal Doiby Dickles. They took care of the hobos, but Solomon Grundy's strength proved too much for even the combined might of them and the Gotham City Police. Grundy's body consisted mainly of wood, and was thus immune to Green Lantern's power ring, whose weakness was wooden materials.


More at the above link
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:49 / 18.08.05
Ah! James O Halliwell collected it in 1842...
 
 
FinderWolf
13:41 / 19.08.05
and lest we forget, also from Mr. Tricks' above link:

>> Solomon Grundy is one of the few supervillains to be besung in a pop song [in "Superman's Song"]. In the lyrics of the Crash Test Dummies: "Superman never made any money, for saving the world from Solomon Grundy."

I love that song.
 
 
Bed Head
13:59 / 19.08.05
The ‘first collected by James O Halliwell’ thing - So says wikipedia, for what that’s worth. But! the wikipedia page *also* features a delightfully barmy theory that has the name ‘Solomon Grundy’ deriving from an American mispronunciation of the name of a French salad. Now, there’s something that should have been squeezed into the DC origin story somehow. Earth elemental, indeed. I’d rather like to see an Earth 2 salad elemental-type Grundy sometime. With salad-based powers.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
14:16 / 19.08.05
What, with his heroic sidekick, Coleslaw Boy? I'd love to read that. Just as GL discovers his power have no effect on balsamic dressing...!
 
 
Aertho
15:15 / 19.08.05
Who? Kyle?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:56 / 19.08.05
Alan Scott.

The Salamongundy thing strikes me as a bit bollocks, really.
 
 
advancedplastics
17:03 / 19.08.05
It's interesting that the Solomon Grundy rhyme goes through the 7 days of the week.

Here's something unrelated to the Grundy thread, but connects to QwewQ/nebuloh, and also to Flex Mentallo:

Michio Kaku's got a new book out, called "Parallel Worlds", which discusses multiverses; a few months ago, BBC interviewed him. the interesting part is his discussion of devising an escape plan/exit strategy in the event of a universe-threatening scenario (like a big freeze/crunch).

Kaku imagines that in order to escape such an event, we could give birth to a new, baby universe (by 'boiling' spacetime) and travel into it along a sort of umbilical cord. sounds very much to me like the ideas that GM uses with Flex and QwEwQ, among others.

Sorry if this post is a little out of place; i wanted to get that out there before it got lost in my head...
 
 
diz
19:22 / 19.08.05
The Salamongundy thing strikes me as a bit bollocks, really.

but he was in Starman! and on Justice League Unlimited!
 
 
FinderWolf
21:19 / 19.08.05
what I like about how they use him the JLU animated series is that they basically make him DC's version of the Hulk.
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
01:01 / 20.08.05
Actually, Grundy has been very Hulk-like even before Hulk.
 
 
Bed Head
13:11 / 20.08.05
The Salamongundy thing strikes me as a bit bollocks, really.

Well, yeah, but it’s a very wikipedia kind of bollocks. It’s kinda folk.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:41 / 22.08.05
Meludreen said (inna Klarion thread): I think Klarion 3 works perfectly in the remit of 7 Soldiers. Part of the function of these books aside from telling the one big story between them all is in renovating the characters and concepts for future use. Because of this, an integral part of each mini has to be used for properly establishing a feel for each character and what their books are there to say. This issue of Klarion is doing exactly that.

Moved this over here because I think it significant for all four series so far. I think, while I can get behind that as the intention of 7S, I think in the end it almost begs another issue for each mini just to give a bit more space so that the "overarching" elements don't conflict too terribly with the "character bible" aspect. Things happen much too quickly in, say, Zatanna for their own good, and while realistically you could say that Zee conjuring Gwydion has nothing to do with the Sheeda threat, because of the space contained in the series it has to be connected - if we were given another issue or two, you could get away with that being unrelated, or a red herring.

Guardian does a better job of that, we've so far had one adventure intimately connected to the Sheeda (the foundation stone and the subway pirates) and the Century Hollow trip that seems to have nothing to do with anything - I liked it, but I think it means we need a whole other issue added to the mini to balance it out properly. We only get one more issue to prepare Jake for 7S-1.

Klarion and Shining Knight, so far, do the best job of furthering the plot, but seem to do it for the other books - the Erdel Gate, the Puritan kiddie-snatchers, the Horigal bit, and Gloriana Tenebrae - it feels like it's too badly balanced in favour of the Sheeda plot without sufficiently mapping out their own, independent territory. Those books are the "mystery string" holding it all together, the one Ali Ka-Zoom talks about in Z3. For Knight it works, because Ystin gets his "Rogue's Gallery," and at the same time it connects to the other books, even in spite of the muddy artwork. Klarion seems to fill in background details for the other titles, but lacks a forward thrust - yes, he's going back down to save Limbo Town, but has he been out in the open world of Blue Rafters long enough for that return to be as significant?
 
 
LDones
22:09 / 22.08.05
I would argue that it is significant by virtue of his being morally compelled to return to a world he despises mere days after discovering a bright, new, blue, exciting one. He doesn't even get to enjoy it before having to go back.

But perhaps the rest of this is best said in the Klarion thread.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
14:44 / 29.08.05
Noticed what may be a chromatic theme, in both Shining Knight and Klarion:

In SK 1, Gloriana Tenebrae declares that 'the colours of this age are red and bleeding gold'; in SK 3, Ne-Bu-Loh recovers the cauldron from Don Vincenzo's mansion on the corner of Orange Drive and Sunset Boulevard.

In KtWB 3, Goldenboy reveals that Team Red exist to mine 'the gold in the red place.'

Unsure as to its relevance, but thought I'd mention it.
 
 
Jack Fear
19:03 / 30.08.05
This just in:

Pascual Ferry was to have drawn the Mister Miracle series, part of Grant Morrison's "Seven Soldiers" arcing series. Well, he's only doing the first issue, with Bill Dallas Patton taking over the remaining three issues, with Michael Bair inking and Dave Macaig on colours.

From Billy Dallas Patton's website:

"AUGUST 17 - Bdp has agreed to take on a major project, finishing up a mini-series for DC Comics. Details are sketchy, though, and no planned announcements can be made until solicitations are released. Just know that miracles DO happen."

See what he did there? Clever clever.
 
 
The Falcon
19:07 / 30.08.05
Nff. That's almost Larroca bad stuff there.

Oh dear. I like Pascal.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:24 / 30.08.05
But 'miracles' for WHO, Billy Dallas Patton...?

Ah well...I really like Ferry's art, maybe Bair's might nice inks can clean this Patton guy's stuff up a bit. What could have taken Ferry off this...?
 
 
Shrug
22:46 / 30.08.05
Just updated the wiki with this link to this piece regarding Thomas the Rhymer which was partially quoted in 7 Soldiers 0.
Apologies if this has already been discussed.
Thomas the Rhymer
 
  

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