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Kirk Ultra
12:09 / 23.07.05
Apologies if any of this has been mentioned before in this thread already, i'm on a tiny island in tahitti using a dial up connection and my laptop is running on nothing but battery power so i haven't had time to go through and reread the rest of this thread.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:22 / 23.07.05
I also noticed that the Whip is biting herself and making herslef bleed on pages 9 and 10.

Don't think so... I think she's finding that a tooth has been knocked loose in her previous fight, and is bleeding from the mouth because of it. (Evidence: she's on the phone to her dentist's office in the last panel of page 11.)
 
 
The Falcon
17:48 / 23.07.05
Mmm-hmm, but yes, there are two Chustins walking about; one from the 12th or whatever century and the other from the 81st BC (as we saw in SK#3.)

This also answers such pointless fanboy queries as 'how come Shining Knight's sword was used in Identity Crisis?' (apparently it was, maybe by Deathstrike, can't remember.)
 
 
Essential Dazzler
10:03 / 24.07.05
Evidence: she's on the phone to her dentist's office in the last panel of page 11.

AAAHH! I never got that panel, I assumed a "CAP" was some kind of DCU superhero transport thingy, I got the tooth thing though, thanks to the EVEN MORE glaring evidence of the tooth in the glass of wine, on the same page
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
12:31 / 24.07.05
And *I* thought she was getting a new head for her costume! It all makes so much more sense now.
 
 
adamswish
17:15 / 26.07.05
you feel bad...

I thought she was ordering a contraceptive device!!!
 
 
Jack Fear
20:00 / 26.07.05
Well, sleeping with "I, Spyder" is her contribution to the complex intrateam dynamic...
 
 
Jack Fear
20:01 / 26.07.05
(An American like Shelley would call a uterine cap a "diaphragm," BTW.)
 
 
grant
21:44 / 26.07.05
Kirk Ultra -- have you added that stuff to the wiki?

Cuz it's goood.
 
 
Mario
11:59 / 27.07.05
A while back I spent a fair amount of time researching the history of the Harlequin (not the Invisibles one, the historical one).

I came across some wild associations.

Some French sources call the Wild Hunt "The family of Harlequin". One possible derivation is that Harlequin is actually "Herla Cynig", or King Herla, an ancient king of the Britons. King Herla was cursed to endlessly wandering on his horse, along with his knights, after spending time in the land of Faerie. (If he dismounts, he'll die, much like Ossian, the Irish hero.

But who was Herla? One of the titles of Odin (also a leader of the Wild Hunt) is believed to be "Herjan", which means "Lord of Warriors" (see the related "Einherjar", which literally translates as "those of one army", tho probably not "One Army Corps" )

I dug a bit further, and found that the root word "her-", also found in words like "hero" and "Herr", goes back through Greek Mythology ("Hera" is a female form) all the way to "Hr/Heru/Horus", the Egyptian god.

Of course, the wildest bit is that as a child god, he was given the name Harpocrates, and believed (incorrectly) to be the god of silence.

And in pantomime, Harlequin is a silent clown with magical powers. The greatest silent clown in the modern era?

Harpo Marx.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:11 / 27.07.05
this is weird because coincidentally, the word "Harlequin" has kept popping up for me in strange ways over the past months, so it's cool to see this research on the word. Thanx for the info --
 
 
advancedplastics
14:49 / 04.08.05
Re: Slaughter Swamp

Not sure if someone else has already brought this up (i dont think i've seen this before), but I just ran across an interesting piece of info. In Swamp Thing #70, during the Rick Veitch run, Constantine is running around trying to find out what's going on with the new earth elemental. He meets up with his friend Freddy, a geomancer. Here's some pieces of their conversation:


F: "Dig it, J.C.; To most people it is a mere lump of clay... To me it is the ultimate information medium."
...
C: "You expect the scientific community to buy your idea that dirt is intelligent?"
F: "Not Dirt, J.C.! Clay! Clay that is formed by piling billions and billions of tiny silicon plates, one atop another."
...
F: "Naturally each one of these microscopic silicon plates is already a computer chip! A perfect medium through which to transmit information."
...
C: "I'm looking for an area, somewhere between Metropolis and Gotham, that some Geomancer, schooled in the arcane arts, might call a Power Spot."
F: "Well J.C., the ancient wisdom can be vague at best. But as a university trained geologist I can tell you that one of the purest deposits of clay silicates in the world lies right... here."
C: "That's Slaughter Swamp, ennit?"
...
 
 
iamus
00:04 / 05.08.05
That could tie in with the Golem in Guardian, where Jake is told that clay is the missing link between organic and inorganic matter.
 
 
FinderWolf
12:24 / 05.08.05
oooh, nice connection Melu -- hadn't thought of that.
 
 
advancedplastics
14:10 / 05.08.05

yup yup - the golem connection is what i was getting at. hasn't GM himself made a similar point about clay, though? i seem to remember having read a comic that made a very similar point about clay/silicon/information/computation/etc...
apart from that, it does give some more [meta]logic to Slaughter Swamp as an 'in-between' place, and having life of its own.
 
 
Aertho
14:22 / 05.08.05
And the mention of clay's importance makes me wonder about GM's plans for post-sentient universe evolution of Wonder Woman.

Probably nothing, since she's magical in origin, but hopefully the nu-DCU will be integral.

I wonder how caly will figurre into the bigger picture. Frank's a Grundy, I tell ya!
 
 
FinderWolf
21:03 / 15.08.05
more detailed solicits than we've seen before for these:

>> SEVEN SOLDIERS: THE BULLETEER #1
Written by Grant Morrison, art and cover by Yanick Paquette and Michael Bair.

The Seven Soldiers saga continues in a four-issue mini-series. Obsessed with the idea of becoming a famous super-hero and preserving his beautiful wife's youth, Professor Lance Harrower invents Smartskin -- a steel-hard living fiber which bonds with skin collagen. When his experiments go awry, Harrower is suffocated under a coating of steel skin. His wife Alix survives the horrific accident only to find herself an outcast and a freak. Now jobless, alone, and encased in super-hard, living metal, she is a truly reluctant super-human.

What happens when you get powers and abilities beyond those of mortal men but don't want them? Find out in "Ballistic: How the Bulleteer Began."
32 pg., $2.99, on sale Nov. 2.

SEVEN SOLDIERS: FRANKENSTEIN #1

Written by Grant Morrison, art and cover by Doug Mahnke.
A bizarre butterfly store opens its doors in a small American town. Pretty, popular teenagers are mysteriously transformed into self-loathing, awkward nerds. A boy with the power to see human thoughts becomes the unwitting vessel of an ancient curse, and deep beneath the sunny sidewalks, something stirs and wakes and opens ancient eyes.

Witness the triumphant return to the DCU of one of fiction's most enduring characters as Grant Morrison and Doug Mahnke introduce a steam-powered, gun-totin', Milton-quotin' Frankenstein monster you'll never forget! Meet time's executioner as he hunts down the impossible menaces that threaten humanity from beyond reality.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:49 / 16.08.05
Reference: The older link regarding Grant's widespread consultation with DCU

"And again, to be clear, Morrison’s upcoming projects will be clearly set in the DCU, rather than the universe in which his ongoing Seven Soldiers miniseries are set..."

Hang ON. Did I miss something? Is Seven Soldiers NOT set in the DCU?
 
 
Essential Dazzler
21:31 / 16.08.05
I've heard a few arguments for this series taking place after "Infintie Crisis", during the "year after" period. I still prefer to see 7s as out of continuity
 
 
Mario
21:35 / 16.08.05
That would be a definite "Maybe"

Certainly, Zatanna #3 implies it is.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:02 / 17.08.05
I'm not sure I really care if it's in continuity or off in a pocket dimension, but I'm fairly sure I won't be reading much of the grimngrittyverse Post-IC.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:05 / 17.08.05
Meanwhile, looking forward to Bulleteer and Frankie. What's Mahnke known for, anyway? The name's familiar, but I'm drawing a blank.
 
 
Aertho
00:42 / 17.08.05
He did the Justice League Elite book, it looks like.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
01:18 / 17.08.05
i kind of like Mahnke's style when restrains himself... sometimes his layouts go a bit overboard and become a mess...but i've been enjoying his work with Joe Kelly on JLA and JLA Elite.
 
 
CameronStewart
01:30 / 17.08.05
Mahnke also drew the original series of The Mask:

 
 
FinderWolf
13:29 / 17.08.05
Mahnke also drew the regular JLA for a while, when Joe Kelly was writing it.

I think Seven Soldiers is in the DCU but won't reference the mainstream DCU much -- however, post-IC when some of Grant's concepts get used and become new character/series, I bet it will be referenced more in the regular DCU.
 
 
Are Being Stolen By Bandits
16:53 / 17.08.05
Mahnke's also currently pencilling Batman - competently but unspectacularly, in my view. His work on the Batman: The Man Who Laughs one-shot, written by Ed Brubaker and published earlier this year, was really rather good, though.
 
 
diz
20:56 / 17.08.05
Hang ON. Did I miss something? Is Seven Soldiers NOT set in the DCU?

no, it's definitely set in the mainstream DCU. many fans just don't seem to understand that.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
21:26 / 17.08.05
Morrison seems to bring out the best in some artists. I would bet that his work on Frankenstein will far outstrip his current work. I haven't seen "The Man Who Laughs," though.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
21:26 / 17.08.05
While I agree, to be fair, that above quote from DiDio (or whomever) seems to suggest otherwise. And unfortunately rabid fanboys are more likely to believe that potentially misinformed quote than the mountain of overwhelming evidence against their stance.
 
 
Math is for suckers!
21:28 / 17.08.05
Mahnke also pencilled Major Bummer.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:56 / 17.08.05
I wonder if any of the other Soldiers will have magical animals or assistants? Ystin has Vanguard, Klarion has darling Teekl, and Zatanna has Misty. Also, Cassandra Craft had that weird Egyptian cat; totemic power or fusion between two people on individual bases might be part of the overarching theme - you know, they each have to bond with someone or something, in order to bond to each other? Ali mentioned the richest dog in the world was with the original Newsboy Army. Jake Jordan's got Ed.

Also, Ali talking about sending a bad boy down a deep hole, in Z3? Maybe that was a hole leading down to Limbo Town? I think it was supposed to be inside his Cabinet, but who knows where the cabinet leads to. Other than Narnia.
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
00:18 / 18.08.05
totemic power or fusion between two people on individual bases might be part of the overarching theme

Or... maybe all stories usually have secondary characters, and these secondary characters help out the main character.
 
 
Aertho
00:26 / 18.08.05
Oooh! Burn!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:03 / 18.08.05
Well, duh, but there is an unusually high number of characters with familiars...
 
  

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