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Alex's Grandma
04:49 / 17.02.08
Well, according to Mark Millar, over on Millarworld, one of the Fantastic Four is not what they appear to be.

But why am I even thinking about this?

Maybe I'm a skrull ... The old me so wanted to be like Hemmingway, or James Joyce, and the new me is just some sort of broken lunatic on the internet.
 
 
Janean Patience
20:41 / 21.02.08
My first thought, on seeing the double-page spread of Avengers fighting in Mighty Avengers #8, was sarcastic. "Oh great, just what I wanted to see. Big splash Avenger-fights-bad-guy action. Haven't seen anything like this for like two weeks."

Imagine my joy on turning to the next page. And the next.

Last week's instalment of Weekly Avengers was a return to form. It was a return to Alias, pretty much, and though Bendis's dialogue can be annoying - people just don't repeat themselves like that, those are false rhythms - he's good on character. Of the three times Ms Marvel has let Luke Cage go in 24 hours, this was the most convincing.

But this latest Mighty passed like nothing. A nice prelude, space-filling melee action and Tony Stark forgetting that Doom can use magic. Previous Marvel books, including Secret War, have made much of superhero incursions into Latveria and the diplomatic incidents they can cause. This one just goes at it without fear of looking stupid and consequently looks extremely stupid. The whole arc so far feels like a fill-in despite the supposed gravity of what's happened. Secret Invasion really, really needs to pay off.

Who's a Skrull? Going by the rules of commerce which require that popular characters remain essentially unchanged, it'll be the minor characters or more recent additions. Echo, Black Widow, Jessica Jones, The Sentry, Ronin. It depends whether the comics remain as dumb as they've been recently or return to being semi-smart.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
21:28 / 21.02.08
Again, you're missing out the positive parts here. For instance, when thirteenth century mystic Morgana Le Fey asks Dr. Doom if she 'fancies' him. Fancies. Because they're both twelve years old and he thinks she's well fit he does. It's because of character moments like this that Marvel is known as the House of Ideas!
Then there's the retro comics coloring effect on the last few pages. I know it probably gave a lot of people migraines, but if you relax your eyes you see a 3D picture of a sailboat.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:48 / 22.02.08
>> Imagine my joy on turning to the next page. And the next.

Yeah, this was really a bit much here. An excuse not to write 4-6 pages of dialogue...?

I vote Wonder Man being a Skrull. Just sayin'.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
18:05 / 23.02.08
"Oh great, just what I wanted to see. Big splash Avenger-fights-bad-guy action. Haven't seen anything like this for like two weeks."

It's that sort of thing that Mighty Avengers was made for.
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
13:47 / 25.02.08
I thought that was the sort of thing Nextwave was meant for...
 
 
Janean Patience
20:52 / 11.03.08
New issues of Mighty and New Avengers are out this week. And, as we've seen previously on this thread, I can't be trusted to read them alone. I appear to be suffering from some kind of perception problem, a crossed wire in the brain, that makes me critical of comics that are, by consensus opinion, awesome.

So I'd like to request Phex, my faithful guide through the nightmarish maze of mistakes that is my first reading of any Bendis Avengers comic, to stand behind me while I read them and offer on the spot commentary. For example, I might say "Jesus, another Bagley fight spread with all the dynamism of a mass grave," and he'll shout "Are you an idiot? This is widescreen storytelling!" Or I'll whinge pathetically "How many times have the Mighties let the new guys go now? Home taping laws are enforced more rigorously than the Registration Act," and he'll bellow "These are character moments! That dialogue is sizzlingly hot!"

That way, my moronically overcritical perceptions of these fine, fine comics won't creep into the thread and bring anyone else down. Just to check he's on form, I'm planning to say something like this about New Avengers:

Great. Echo. She's certainly a perfect fit for the team, not at all included just cause Bendis is mates with David Mack. No way is she a leftover from Kabuki.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
21:22 / 11.03.08
It's so fashionable to Echo-bash these days, but consider this:

Partial List of Fictional Characters Who, If Rendered Deaf, Could Not Lip-read Through Masks And Would Have to Look At Somebody To Read Their Lips Even If That Person Wasn't Wearing a Mask

Ulysses, Captain Ahab, Jay Gatsby, Oedipus, Ignatius Riley, Molly and Leopold Bloom, Othello, Sherlock Holmes, Sam Spade, Humbert Humbert, Tokubei, Yossarian, Scarlett O'Hara, Prospero, Anna Kerina, Holden Caulfield, Alice, Phillip Marlowe, Orlando, Superman, Stephen Dedalus, the Coyote, Achilles, King Arthur, Harry Potter, John Galt, Grendel, Victor Frankenstein, Job, Bugs Bunny, Madame Bovary, Ziggy Stardust.

Fictional Characters Who Are Deaf and Can Lip-Read Through Masks or Even When They're Not Looking At Somebody

Echo.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:35 / 12.03.08
>> New issues of Mighty and New Avengers are out this week.

I could be wrong, but I believe that only Mighty Avengers is new this week, right? New Avengers came out last week, I thought...? or maybe I missed one in the store...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:29 / 12.03.08
Fictional Characters Who Are Deaf and Can Lip-Read Through Masks or Even When They're Not Looking At Somebody

Ah, but you forget the obvious conclusion. Echo can hear, because Echo is a Skrull. All Skrulls are ninjas, all ninjas are Skrulls.

"But", I hear you complain,"Black Bolt was a Skrull, thus destroying your entire contention. Far from being a ninja, Black Bolt is the king of the Inhumans."

Yeah. Right. Let's think about this for a moment. Black Bolt. Wears black. Has a superpower. What is his superpower? His voice is powerful enough to destroy buildings. What is the practical upshot of this superpower? That he is very, very quiet.

NINJA!
 
 
Janean Patience
19:38 / 12.03.08
Fictional Characters Who Are Deaf and Can Lip-Read Through Masks or Even When They're Not Looking At Somebody: Echo.

You see? I totally wouldn't have realised how amazing Echo is, or what an asset to the group she's been by being left in Japan and killed. Some people - idiots - might say that a Hispanic Native American with no hearing may not be the ideal person to infiltrate a bunch of ninjas. Others might call it slightly insane to assume that Echo had decided to conceal her identity to the extent of wearing a padded bodysuit that would significantly affect her ability to fight but Phex knows the truth. Echo's better than Captain Ahab and Yossarian combined!

If the New Avengers are ninjas, does that make the Mighties pirates? Or other way around?
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
23:45 / 12.03.08
New Avengers have Iron Fist, Echo, and Hawkeye in a ninja suit. Also, Spidey was in his sexy black costume until recently.
Mighty Avengers have Sentry, with his long flowing locks, and Ares, who's loud and likes to party with an axe.

New Avengers=Ninjas
Mighty Avengers=Pirates
 
 
ThePirateKing
22:11 / 14.03.08
I just read through the last few issues of both titles. I know Bendis is trying to write them like they're written by two different people, but the last few issues of MIGHTY have been f**king piss poor. They read like they were written by a 12-year-old. I understand that the 'thought bubbles' are suppsoed to be ironic, but in reality they're just distracting and shit.

The whole virus thing was bloody pointless, and as other posters have said suddenly laying watse to Doom's castle and country and thus killing hundreds (???) of innocents in the process is bonkers. American forces would never launch some sudden rushed mad atack on another country killing thousands of innocents without thinking it through first would they. Oh hang on...
(It's still bollocks though.)
 
 
ThePirateKing
22:18 / 14.03.08
And why does Hank give Jan a new growth formula? It's cos he suspects that she's a skrull. It's a dud to test her. When she grows later she uses her skrull powers not the formula (which doesn't work.)
 
 
Janean Patience
10:35 / 15.03.08
Mighty Avengers #10; it's all about the dialogue.

IRON MAN: Let's not say or do anything to anyone that could alter the course of human history.

DOOM: Yes, I'd hate to do anything that would stop your eventual invasion of my country.

IRON MAN: Yeah? I'd hate to do anything that stopped you being such a loser. Loser.

DOOM: Is that your face? Or did someone steal a faceplate from a medieval horse?

IRON MAN: Hey Doom, now we're in the past you can go and fuck your mother!
 
 
ThePirateKing
20:10 / 15.03.08
I didn't realise issue #10 was out already.

* rushes to shop *
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:58 / 15.03.08
Both Avengers hardcovers are out this coming Wednesday, but I'm left wondering how many people (1) prefer the hardcover collections to the soft and (2) will buy the hardcovers for either Avengers book. I don't even mean to sound bitchy, either--Avengers just strikes me as being a set of softcover books, pulpy enough that they work better that way. I'd rather they skip right to the softcovers. I'd skip Mighty, though.
 
 
ThePirateKing
10:01 / 16.03.08
I won't be buying either.

The last Avengers trade I got was the Avengers Vs Defenders War which I remember collecting as a kid at 6p an issue.
 
 
Janean Patience
21:19 / 19.03.08
I was wondering if Mighty Avengers really annoyed me as much as I've been saying it does, so tonight I reread the first six issues. And yeah, kind of. That first storyline's really good in a widescreen Avengers way, even though it's basically one long fight sequence with recruitment flashbacks. Well-handled, though. Then I noticed that Bendis and Cho share a credit as storytellers, and perhaps that's because Cho contributes a great deal to the clarity and lucidity of the action sequences. They work - you know, most of the time, who's hitting who and where the other guys are and what beat's coming next - because they're well laid out and well thought out. The double-pagers usually have a framing sequence attached and the rhythms are right, if that doesn't sound stupid.

The story's not so good, though. I can miss plot points when I read serially, but there's no explanation of where Ultron comes from, no explanation of how the Moleman's kingdom gets wrecked on the way, no explanation of why a robot that usually likes to manufacture its own bodies in a very particular style instead takes over someone else's and decides to be a nude lady. Even in the Silver Age there'd be a panel or two of exposition. This is distraction writing: forget that! There's a big explosion over here! I suspect that the dinosaurs and the hot nude robot were included for Cho, who likes to draw both. It might be easier to overlook if the very next storyline didn't continue to pull threats out of its arse at a dizzying rate.

There is still good character work. Ms Marvel doubted the worth of arresting Cage and the rest of the fugitive Avengers from the start, making it credible that she lets them go all those times and setting her up to make some big decisions in Secret Invasion I'm guessing. Ares comes through. The Hank Pym and Tigra sequence is painful, though perhaps it's meant to be. The Sentry... is there a point to the Sentry? Does he have any value, from the standpoint of the characters or from a reader's perspective? Is bringing down a helicarrier now the single most predictable thing any writer can do?

In whatever the latest solicitations were, Bendis is writing six comics a month. Probably that's too many, because it seems to me that unless there's an artist willing to do a lot of heavy lifting this title staggers and falls.
 
 
ThePirateKing
22:44 / 19.03.08
I remember how little time it took me to read each of those issues. They're really light on words and plot. Nothing really to 'em.
 
 
Janean Patience
18:03 / 20.03.08
Oh, and apparently the Echo issue of NA isn't out because David Mack's cover swipe was so obvious it was legally actionable. So he's drawing a new one.
 
 
FinderWolf
02:49 / 21.03.08
really!??! Wow. If that's true, that's a dramatic turn of events - last time Marvel got threatened/almost sued over a cover swipe was the infamous Amy Grant drawn by Butch Guide cover of Dr. Strange's new series in the 90s...
 
 
ThePirateKing
17:59 / 23.03.08
I haven't seen the 'new' cover - what's it a swipe of?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:31 / 23.03.08
Aren't swipes sort of traditional? Or is this verging on Greg Land "awkwardly photo-realistic?"
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
19:12 / 24.03.08

The Cover in Question.
 
 
Triplets
19:49 / 24.03.08
Well, 1. it's a shit cover anyway, 2. ghost wolverine, 3. her hand looks like it's pasted on from a completely different person, 4. and I suppose it actually is, 5. ghost wolverine!, 6. it's also a direct lift from somewhere else.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:01 / 25.03.08
That's such an ugly cover design! And, yeah, I can see why the swipe would bother. This isn't exactly Quasar pulling the Vanity Fair pregnant Demi pose.
 
 
Janean Patience
09:41 / 27.03.08
Credit where it's due and that, and discounting the rush of endorphins for passing my driving test on the eight time, I thought New Avengers 39 was really good. Good Wolverine, good Echo, good Hawkeye, and some Skrull action that's properly foreboding. Possibly gives more credibility to my theory that the artists are doing the storytelling work, because I've always liked Mack's visual grammar and I loved it here, but hey. Never mind. I hear Mighty sucks bad this week.
 
 
Quimper
16:52 / 27.03.08
Nice new never-before-seen powers, Jessica Drew. Hmmmmm.
 
 
Triplets
22:17 / 27.03.08
Do we think Jessica's real name is Susan? Susan K. Rull?
 
 
Quimper
22:33 / 27.03.08
If she were a barbarian movie starring kevin sorbo, she'd be skrull the conquerer.
 
 
slagar
15:55 / 28.03.08
The real question is if a shape shifting Skrull imitating Jessica Drew gets breast implants, as seen in one issue of New Avengers, are those breast implant permanent?
 
 
FinderWolf
18:03 / 28.03.08
ah, but in all seriousness, the switch probably happened after she was 'redone' and retrained by SHIELD... at least, that's my guess.
 
 
Janean Patience
17:36 / 30.03.08
That page of Doom thinking in Mighty 11. Genius. Down at the Manga Khan School of Melodrama they still talk about the good Doctor's lecture in the Exposition course: "Why I've Captured The Heroes And Allowed Them To Wake Up."

Spider-Woman - is Bendis going to do the unexpected and have all his favourite 70s characters be Skrulls? And given the deus ex machina count in recent Avengers is through the roof, and that Secret Invasion seems to have echoes of the Kree/Skrull War which itself ended with a deus ex machina, can we predict what the ending to this next crossover is? Or do crossovers just encourage lousy writing in advance because there's always another big fix coming?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:32 / 30.03.08
I feel bad about asking this, JP, but I have to anyway; you're not John Byrne, are you?

If you are, might I take this opportunity to say that you're not as good as you used to be?
 
  

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