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08:45 / 01.04.06

Which I feel is encouraging

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

12:39 / 01.04.06

I agree.

13:23 / 03.04.06

I wasn't aware of that. That IS good news. So maybe this material I've deemed "retconning" this season is really just the other producers casting out the detritus Abrams foisted on them (and us viewers) last season -- ie Claire's prophecy (Abrams has a hard-on for prophecies, it seems), etc?

19:02 / 06.04.06

So, for some reason I forgot a new epidode aired last night (must have gotten used to the weeks and weeks of not having to remember to watch). I've read the ABC.com synopsis but anyone want to give me some more details on what happened? Doesn't look like it'll rerun anytime soon. Thanks in advance.

20:02 / 06.04.06

According to the preview, next week's will also be new.

This week's episode was Hurley-centric, and again undermined season 1. Previously Hurley's weight did not define his character, but last night we learned not only was it the cause of his going to a mental hospital (he apparently caused a boat to sink, which resulted in the deaths of two people), but also that Hurley used to befriend an imaginary guy who liked to say "dude" a lot and who would provoke Hurley to eat, all of the time. Basically, it made Hurley's pre-lottery life look even worse than his post-lottery life...something which did not seem apparent in the previous Hurley flashbacks, which made it look like, once Hurley won the lottery, his life had never been so bad. In fact, judging from last night's episode, Hurley's post-lottery life was paradise in comparison.

The Henry Gale subplot was woefully underdeveloped. We found that the real Henry Gale had recorded his final thoughts in pen on a (I think) 20 dollar bill, a letter to someone named Jennifer. This Sayid read to Gale before pulling a gun on him and demanding to know who he is. All we got is that "the bearded guy" is "no one," according to Gale, who really seemed to fear for his life, if he was returned to the Others. He also told Locke that he didn't enter the numbers in the computer, last week -- instead, the clock counted down, some lights went off, hieroglyphics appeared, and the number sequence started over.

Ripping off one of the later Buffy episodes, Hurley imaginary friend (who appeared to him on the island) nearly convinced Hurley that he was dreaming everything on the island; all he needed to do was jump off a cliff, and he'd wake in the real world. Libby prevented this. After she kissed him, in the final moments we flashed back to the insane asylum, and there Libby was, a nutso herself, accepting her meds while an equally-insane Hurley sat nearby, his back to her.

So the question remains...did they two meet in the asylum? Are the producers implying that both she and Hurley are dreaming the island together? Doubtful -- way too "Dallas" --ish, with Bobby appearing in the shower.

20:25 / 06.04.06

Great! Thanks buttergun! I had a feeling abot Hurley and Libby as both being at the same clinic but not both being patients. Looks like Libby is the compulsive liar of the tailies that was hinted at then. Sounds like an interesting episode but not enough to download.

21:01 / 06.04.06

No problem. I forgot one thing, though. Sawyer got one of his best lines ever. Having gotten a bunch of food from the mysterious materials drop, last week, Sawyer joked to Kate that he could open his own chain of mini-marts. Then he smirked up at her and said: "Hey, do you think Sayid needs a job?"

Fucking classic -- as funny as when he used to call Michael and Jin "Han and Chewie."

21:05 / 06.04.06

Oh yeah...Sawyer was in nicknaming mode last night (something which eventually lead Hurley to attack him). In the beginning of the ep, the survivors were tearing through the food boxes from the drop. Sawyer kept trying to get everyone to back off...no doubt so he could take most of it himself.

Charlie started yelling that someone should take over the process and overlook overthing. "Who could we trust?" Sawyer snapped at him. "You, babynapper?"

He also called Hurley "Deep dish," "mutton chops," and then, once Hurley told him he was seeing his imaginary friend from the psych ward, fooled him by saying "You mean that guy standing right there?" Just screwing with him, but Hurley blitzed out and jumped on Sawyer, pounding on him.

23:35 / 06.04.06

Those last few posts made me laugh. Han and Chewie is classic and I had forgotten about it. Makes me remember why Sawyer is one of my favorite characters. Thanks for the posts. You vicarously channeled the humor quite nicely.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

13:29 / 07.04.06

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with buttergun on this one. I thought it was a really solid character-driven episode, completely in line Hurley last season as well. And not only because Hurley broke a deck with his girth and not a boat.

His resistance to being called a nutjob has always been there, as has speculation as to why he was in an insane asylum (at least among viewers). He might not have been overt about his weight, but I can't imagine it not being on his mind. I think they did a great job at showing what his thought process is, especially in the last scene between him and the doctor. I love seeing them give Jorge Garcia something to really chew on (and not lick off the jungle floor) as he always delivers. (His delivery to Danielle of "I WANT SOME FHHHRIGGIN' ANSWERS!" was easily the acting highlight of S1.)

So yeah, worth a download at least.

P. Horus Rhacoid

14:21 / 07.04.06

Honestly it's worth a download for the Hurley/Sawyer battle alone, which takes place in a tarp. Sawyer repeatedly trying to claw his way out along the sand, and getting pulled back in each time, is priceless. As is Jin's reaction, looking on in the background.

er... could we also possibly find a different word for people in mental institutions than 'nutso'? Just sayin'.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

18:38 / 07.04.06

Just for the record, and I feel ridiculous even having to point this out, I wouldn't call any non-fictional person in a mental hospital a "nutjob". Figured that ought to go without saying, but, here we are.

23:12 / 07.04.06

Ah but the people in the movies aren't real, you see. The people in the movies have implausible mental illnesses that somehow make them all have to make some elaborate leap of faith that might kill them if they're wrong/right. People in real life have real diseases. People in movies can be called nutso because their illnesses are so unconvincing.

Except in Jacob's Ladder. Which is way better.

P. Horus Rhacoid

00:41 / 08.04.06

/rot

Y&B- my objection was more to buttergun when ze said we flashed back to the insane asylum, and there Libby was, a nutso herself, accepting her meds while an equally-insane Hurley sat nearby. The implication in that, as far as I can tell, is that all patients in mental institutions = TOTALLY CRAZY which is bullshit. (I read in your use of 'nutjob' a recognition that it was perjorative, btw, so it didn't really jump out at me. Didn't think you were calling him one, either.)

I do know somebody, though not well, who has been institutionalized several times in the past. I don't know the specifics of why he was institutionalized, but I do know that he is anything but crazy; he just has something which he can't deal with, I guess. The point being, lumping everyone who is in a psych ward together as 'nutso' or something similar denies the specifics of their condition while simultaneously dehumanizing them.

I actually don't particularly like the word 'insane' either, although that might be because it brings to mind cartoon villains with grandiose plans to take over the world, speaking gloating monologues to captured heroes. It might just be too loaded a word, I'm not sure. Same thing with 'insane asylum,' it seems... archaic.

Hope that makes sense. I'm really not sure if it does, I'm hellaciously tired right now.

/end rot

P. Horus Rhacoid

00:43 / 08.04.06

Oh yeah, and buttergun, hope that didn't seem confrontational, I'm not trying to have a go at you. It just rubbed me the wrong way I guess.

15:44 / 08.04.06

I agree with Ben, I thought it was pretty solid. Also, I didn't think the Henry Gale subplot was under-developed so much as sidelined. There was some plot development there, and what there was was efficient enough, but the meat's obviously being left for another week.

23:06 / 08.04.06

A couple of pages back there appears to speculation on whether someone other than Jin (specifically Michael) is the father of Sun's baby. Stop me if I'm wrong, but where in any of the previous episodes has it ever been even vaguely suggested that Sun slept with Michael?

P. Horus Rhacoid

01:41 / 09.04.06

Weeeell... not really explicitely, but Michael was probably closer to her than he was to any other woman on the island, back in the first season. If memory serves, the source of much of the animosity between Jin and Michael back then was that Jin suspected that something was going on between Michael and Sun. My first thought when it was revealed Jin couldn't have kids was definitely Michael.

Like I say though my memory's hazy.

02:33 / 09.04.06

They could also theoretically retcon it in, with a flashback.

But it's a real stretch, and I highly doubt that's where they're going with it.

05:17 / 09.04.06

In Sun's flashback, I thought there was a moment when she and the guy who was teaching her English kind of looked at each other, and were standing -- almost leaning -- close. I felt this was a hint that she may have had an affair with this guy, and also adding to her reluctance to tell Jin about her pregnancy.

P. Horus Rhacoid

06:11 / 09.04.06

They definitely played that up, I'm pretty sure I know exactly the shot you're talking about (it was at the end of a scene, wide shot, with them at the window, right?). How long have they been on the island at this point? Would a pregnancy which began right before Sun left Korea conceivably go unnoticed until now?

Also, I agree with Cameron that it seems farfetched, given what we know of Sun; plus, given that telling Jin about this was a sort of tell-all moment for her (in that she also told him he couldn't have kids which was presumably a blow for him) a virgin (not really sure what to call it, since she's obviously not) birth doesn't seem like the most convincing explanation. It's almost too ridiculous not to be true- why would she possibly believe that she would convince him, if she is in fact lying?

If she's had an affair with somebody on the island, though, Michael's definitely the top candidate.

07:29 / 09.04.06

I'd just like to say that the beginning of this week's episode, when Hurley's act of defiance and empowerment involved him destroying the food that could feed the other people stranded on the island really bugged the shit out of me. I don't know if the writers intended me to think that Hurley was a stupid selfish fuck at that moment, but I sure did.

I was convinced that Libby was an Other, but I guess that's shot to hell now.

13:39 / 09.04.06

While it does seem to me that Sun had an affair with her English teacher (and I think that any hints of an affair between Michael and Sun were paranoia as seen by Jin), we must not forget the magic (nanotech) healing properties of the Island (see Locke's legs). Perhaps Jin's potency issues got fixed.

What exactly is Rose's sickness/disability?

17:13 / 09.04.06

Weren't the survivors doing alright foodwise whether they had Hurley's stash or not? (Or not). So...

1. Libby's not a native.

2. That weird little downcast look she gave walking away from the cliff: I reckon she thinks Hurley might be having a relapse. That's a big reminder of her previous mental issues and/or she's afraid Hurley could very well go back to being SantaRosaHurley. "Of course you can change (if you stop talking to your Davination)".

17:14 / 09.04.06

And another vote for Jin's Magic Coinpurse.

17:56 / 09.04.06

>>>Weren't the survivors doing alright foodwise whether they had Hurley's stash or not? (Or not)<<<

Well as far as they knew at that point, the food supply is obviously not infinite, and they've been stuck on that island for, what, a couple of months, with no end in sight, so it's a bit idiotic to assume you could just waste food like that.

Although now they have a fresh supply from the parachute drop, so it doesn't matter.

20:19 / 09.04.06

Hurley and Libby are hardly the most rational people out there, and I don't think we can apply regular common-sense logic to their actions. You can say they were stupid and selfish, but that implies they are deviating from a certain point of common sense and decency that is clearly beyond their pathologies. They are both deeply troubled individuals with a loose grip on reality, and the Island is challenging them, perhaps at the expense of their fellow castaways. I think that is very significant, not a plot mistake. Hurley's lack of consideration for feeding his friends says lots about his troubled mental state and inner turmoil. And though we have yet to see the depths of Libby's madness, we know for sure now that she's not playing with a full deck either, and whatever she is hiding seems to be protected by "helping" Hugo, even if that means hurting others.

20:38 / 09.04.06

But it wasn't played as an irrational decision made by two disturbed individuals - it was presented as a triumphant conquer-your-demons-take-control-of-your-destiny moment, clearly intended to be a joyous act - the fat guy proves that HE has control over FOOD, food doesn't control him!

It's not significant at all, I just thought it was a stupid script moment.

21:03 / 09.04.06

Are you kidding? The entire episode was dedicated to Hurley's irrationality!!! And from HIS perspective, ditching the food WAS a triumph. Plus, it erased the fear of what people might think or do if they found out about his secret stash, something that was clearly bothering him. Furthermore, this show CONSTANTLY and consistently has it's characters putting others in jeopardy/hiding/hoarding/depriving them of possible necessities because of their own personal demons & desires (remember Locke's quest and what it did to Boone, Charlie and his heroine, friggin' Sawyer on a daily basis, etc.and so on). Most of these characters tend to be much more concerned with themselves than they are one another, and this episode showed that good ol' Hurley is no different.

21:37 / 09.04.06

But it wasn't played as an irrational decision made by two disturbed individuals - it was presented as a triumphant conquer-your-demons-take-control-of-your-destiny moment, clearly intended to be a joyous act - the fat guy proves that HE has control over FOOD, food doesn't control him!

It's not significant at all, I just thought it was a stupid script moment.

22:41 / 09.04.06

lol! Cam, you're hilarious.

Maybe I'm not being clear. Consider this: Hurley is irrational (to say the least). This episode is from his POV. His actions will make complete sense to him, but will of course appear irrational, stupid, selfish, or whatever to any "normal"/objective viewer. Why are you hung up on his actions being presented as a triumph? Can you not accept that from HIS POV they certainly were? He's not concerned with the well-being of the collective when he's ditching the food - he's concerned with HIS OWN well-being. And Libby enabling his behaviour automatically hints at her own questionable mental state, and connects extremely well with the final reveal.

03:25 / 13.04.06

Yay Rose!

06:09 / 13.04.06

I liked that episode - the reveal at the end of how Rose knew she was healed was class.

I guess Harold Perrineau finished shooting his movie. :P

12:52 / 13.04.06

I remember a few months back, word was Darren Aronofsky (sp?) was going to guest-direct an episode. Is that still going to happen?

Keith, like a scientist

21:11 / 13.04.06

no, he bowed out recently.

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