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illmatic
09:05 / 17.05.06
And actually get his identity right as well. You have him confused with another author, which makes he wonder how seriously we should take any of your statements.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:12 / 17.05.06
I interpreted that as "I can't see him becoming a physicist, for example," although it's not terribly clear really.
 
 
illmatic
09:23 / 17.05.06
He's confusing him with Pete Carroll.

Thus far - another person who wants to blurt their ill-formed opinions all over the net rather than actually DO any magic.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
09:43 / 17.05.06
PS: Never diss Mr Hine. He'll climb in through your window at night and fuck you up.

Which reminds me, Gypsy, you've still got my copy of Half-Life ain't'cha? In the words of the divine Charles Gray: "I shall not return. But something will. Something will come...."
 
 
illmatic
09:56 / 17.05.06
... and you've got my minidiscs/comics/DVDs/other stuff/cat. When is your book How I borrowed the Gypsy Lantern's: The siddhi of accumulating possessions coming out?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
10:27 / 17.05.06
I will conquer all of you, one possession at a time. First it's your copy of half life, then it's your jack staff comics, then I'll take your jah shaka soundclash minidisc, then your microwave oven, your sofa, your home, your loved ones, your free will, your dignity, your mind, your spirit and your breakfast cereal. I'm playing a long game and I'm very, very patient.
 
 
Quantum
10:49 / 17.05.06
Haha, my plan to subvert GL's defences by presenting him with gifts is proceeding apace. One day, you'll look around, and realise everything you 'Own' is mine and covered in magical symbols to fuck you up.
Just in case you turn to the darque, y'know.
 
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
12:32 / 17.05.06
Oh, well, i'v said it: i'm a fascist, well, "another person who wants to blurt their ill-formed opinions all over the net rather than actually DO any magic". Yes, that's me.

When i was saying The Godness of the Gods without rational thinking in between" i was referring to soem comments both two made in the postmodern magick thread.

About what i consider a "shamanic path". YEs, i know, shaman is a term who has not sense in modern world and all these things. I suppose i'm refering to a most entheogenic approach (with plants).

I said "far-fecthed" not in depective sense. "far fecthed" from consensuos reality, of course.

Well, the thing it mades me think that a "shamanic" approach is more immersive, is that when you look into chaos magick literature, it's full of explanations. But when you go on psychedelic literature, is full of experiences. Experiences made empirism, and empirism mades science. That's what i'm telling.

Abou yoga/Qigong all thes things. Since i have practiced kungfu and qigong is when i'm having that kind of experiencies. I have a pal who does kungfu too and for three times he saw a dead millitar following me. He did never practiced magic(k) conciously, butm the thing is that, when she draws a women repetdly, few months later he finds that woman (he's a comic book artist). That's why i think all of these thing of magic(k) has to be more with intention that with ritual (or the physiology of the ritual, as well: now we have, by example, all that new ciencies of sonocytology and things like that)

Sorry of saying i don't want to do so many rituals and so many books. Yes. I'm working hard. I do my excercices on qigong and all that shit. The thing is that, and that's apersonal oppinion, if we want to understand magic in our present days, i think we would look into a lot of different disciplines, and try to syntetize that with magic(k)/shamanism/transpersonal/wathever. So i was saying that i want to read the good books on magic, the no redudant. That's what i wanted to say. I think Pinchbeck is doing fine things.

The thing is that i'm not interested in calling a deity. I'm more interested in see what deities are over there, or what deitier approaches to me, or wathever,i don't know.

One day after going kungfu i saw an entitie on my bed who was telling me: it is going to be an invasion. Some of us want the earth to evolve. Others did'n want to. I'm crazy?

Sorry guys, yes, i'm full of prejudices, i know.
 
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
13:54 / 17.05.06
And yes, i confused Hine with Carroll. Sorry. Why i can't see him like a Physic? Oh, well, maybe today i got up with nazi drives, sorry.
 
 
Quantum
14:18 / 17.05.06
maybe today i got up with nazi drives, sorry.

whut? translation?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:22 / 17.05.06
Please don't turn out to be another nazi. Why does this place attract so many fucking nazis?
 
 
Quantum
14:37 / 17.05.06
Haven't you seen Hellboy? They lurve teh darque majix.
 
 
Dead Megatron
14:40 / 17.05.06
maybe today i got up with nazi drives, sorry.

I think maybe ze meant ze woke up feeling "nazi" urges (in the sense ze felt confrontational and mysanthropic to the point of sending people ze don't like to burning ovens), or something.

You gotta reverse translate hir English to get it, get it?

But, in the spirit of expecting the best of our fellow humans, I vote we put the emphasis on the words "maybe", "today", and "sorry".
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:43 / 17.05.06
Fuckers. If any more of them come round here I'll have to get Indiana Jones with their sorry, goose-stepping, aryan asses. Melty faces and everything.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:00 / 17.05.06
Yeah, s3r3bro--I know English is not your first language and I may be reading too much into a few throwaway comments, but I find your frequent self-application of terms like Nazi and fascist perturbing. You will find that those terms are not taken lightly on this board. There are certain terms that we prefer to see used in their primary sense: Nazi is a strong word and should really only be used to mean "a proponant of National Socialism, or something that's as near to National Socialism as dammit is to swearing." Please try and find another way of saying what you mean.

Also, we have had a lot of problems in the past with posters who really were right-wing arseholes or raving anti-semites and had to be kicked off the board. Please don't be another right-wing arsehole, I may lose the will to live.
 
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
16:46 / 17.05.06
No, let's see, i say Nazi saying intolerant in a radical way. It's only that i don't like a guy (Peter Carroll) selling "Rebel physics" and, at the end of almost every paper, saying: "Well, now some mathematician, get over here, let's see if you can mess this up. You're welcome."

Sorry, to me, no way (and if i'm saying no way then it makes me an intolerant and i say: i'm a nazi). But it's only a way of talking, i don't attach to any right-winded policy. God. I spent last summer traslating Terence Mckenna. Don't fuck me. I'm saying I'm a nazi in the same way i would say "I'm a moron".

Sorry if I'm hurting some historical memorie, or something like that.

But I maintain all i've said.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:00 / 17.05.06
Awwww, newbies bumping heads with old-timers. So cute. I'm so happy it's not me doing that anymore (so often)
 
 
Quantum
20:09 / 17.05.06
No worries, second language problem if I'm not mistaken. I'd be interested to read the translation of Mckenna...
 
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
20:21 / 17.05.06
@Hey Undead Megatron: let's get fuzzy and let's disolve boundaries between the "newbies" and "the old ones" ....
uuhmmm .... (shit, i think i'm doing it againe) :-)

@Quantum. Here they are.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:57 / 17.05.06
That's Great Old Ones, thank you.
 
 
Quantum
22:42 / 17.05.06
Thanks cerebro- T3r3nc3 McK3nna is that Spanish?
 
 
Tim Tempest
00:15 / 18.05.06
I have a seemingly "stupid" question that I was hoping someone could answer for me.

I was looking at this, and it got me to thinking: What are some other God/Spirit hangouts? For example, would Thoth be best contacted in a library or a school? And who hangs out at gas stations? Bacchus' territory is the pubs, but who does McDonald's belong to? Or a baseball dugout? Or a playground? Who is best contacted where? What are some urban temples? And does this make any sense to anyone?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:44 / 18.05.06
It's a directionless question unless you narrow it down to specific deities or spirits. You also seem to be looking at it the wrong way. Don't ask who is the spirit of gas stations or railroads or playgrounds? But start with the spirit you wish to work with, and think about which areas of the built urban environment might well reflect their mysteries. Otherwise you are just looking at this stuff as a dry intellectual exercise, like a table of correspondences with no emotional connection - rather than a living, organic and instinctive process by which you come to see the Gods and Spirits reflected in the world around you.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:02 / 18.05.06
who does McDonald's belong to?

Satan. McDonald's belongs to SATAN.

Depends who you're dealing with, really. Look at the lore, the myths and legends surrounding that being. Where do they like to hang out in the stories? What do they get up to in terms of activities? What food do they enjoy? Look at historical records: where do their images turn up--in a sacred grove, by the sea, in a forge? In some cases you'll need to get a bit creative, try and think of modern analogues to ancient sites and practices.

Another thing you can do is set up a temporary altar with a few goodies, and politely ask the being in question if ze could help you find a good site to commune with hir. Then go for a wander round town, see where you end up. Sometimes a particular place will just click.
 
 
johnny enigma
08:25 / 19.05.06
Runic question - is Ansuz connected with Odin or Loki, or both?

I've read sources that say both, but don't give reasons for either, and I don't have access to any scholarly works on the Runes, so any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:57 / 19.05.06
Ansuz is primarily associated with Odin. The rune name is the same as a proto-Germanic word meaning 'God.' It is the initial letter of Alfadir, 'All-Father,' one of Odin's names. To me, the symbolism of this rune is very much tied up with the mysteris that Odin deals with. I'd seen the Loki connection before, but I don't really get it. This could be a failing on my part, of course.

Loki does not really have a specific rune associated with Him. The only rune-poem in which He even gets a mention is Berkana: "Birch has the greenest leaves of any shrub/Loki was fortunate in his deceit."

However, certain runes do seem to resonate with His nature. I've seen convincing arguments for Thorn, but use Kenaz myself.

You might like to look at the Barbelith rune threads for more information.
 
 
johnny enigma
09:09 / 19.05.06
Cheers MC. I'm not sure where the Loki=Ansuz connection is based on, but as you can probably appreciate it's important to know one way or the other.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:41 / 19.05.06
Well, yeah. What rune texts are you working from, BTW?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:15 / 19.05.06
Having had a sniff around, it appears that people are associating Loki with Ansuz because of His messenger-of-the-Gods aspects; or, reversed, because of His reputation for mendacity. Kind of not feeling either myself, but YMMV.
 
 
petunia
12:49 / 19.05.06
A coupla questions.

Question the first - 23. What the fuck? Is there anything special about this number or is it all bollocks? I've read a bit of RAW, who obiously loves the number, but i can't help but feel when reading his stuff that he's just dropping it in in a "Nyaaa! Dont you Get it yet?!" kind of way. Which is annoying, because I don't. It seems to be tied with the whole prometheus/satan/chaos leading to new creation thing that old bob wanks so furiously over, but I can't fathom 'aught else out about it. I don't really get numerology. As Mordant has said elsewhere - it seems you can make whatever you want out of any given set of numbers. But am I missing out on something vital here?

Q t 2nd - Anyone know anything about snakes? Like in a majical/mystical/merrygoround fashion? I was recently doing a little reiki and was improvising a little - stuff like sewing up sore areas with 'reiki thread'. I sort of got an image inside me of snakes running through my arms and biting the relative points i was doing reiki on. They bit in a poison, which instead of harming, healed. As in the poison attacked the pain.

So um. They kind of felt a part of me but also not - like how reiki feels but they didnt feel like the reiki. So i'm wondering if they might be a certain part of my 'repertoire/sk1llz' or whatever, or whether they might just be a sort of mental imaging of the reiki or something else - like some people 'see' a snake coming up their spine during a kundalini thingy, but some see lighting... But it does feel sort of part of me. But it maybe just part of me because i want it to be. Is there a difference?

Sorry, this isn't very clear is it really? I'm just wondering if there's any snake knowledge out there. Or whether anyone can recommend any paths to open up this imagery/feeling/connection?

Cheers
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:18 / 19.05.06
It's all about snakes, really. The more experience I get with magic of various stripes, the more I come to think that it's all about snakes. In one sense or another. I know that's outrageously cryptic but it would take an essay to explain what I mean by that. I'll write that essay at some point, but I'm not up for that this afternoon. The best I can do is tell you that, yes, it's all about snakes.

23 is like a swear word around here. It's just another number. Which is not to say that it isnt magical, but so are all numbers. I always took RAW's point as being about how the brain chooses to see the phenomena it fixates on, and how this is fundamental to the processes of magic. Unfortunately, there are many, many fuckwits in the world who miss the point.
 
 
illmatic
13:30 / 19.05.06
The 23 thing is a link between RAW and Burroughs/Gysin as well. Burroughs manages to bring it up in the most chilling way possible. Buuuut... what people take the piss out of here is the way the products of someone else's magical adventuring become easy cliches.

The last person very excited about 23 on here went on to be banned for posting loads of stuff about holocause denial. Talk about accepting texts uncritically!
 
 
trouser the trouserian
13:49 / 19.05.06
i>I'm just wondering if there's any snake knowledge out there.

.trampetunia, there is loads and loads of "snake knowledge" out there. As a starter however, here's some info regarding the Indian Snake Goddess Manasa who's worship remains widespread in India, particularly in Bengal. It is widely believed that worshipping Manasa will keep people safe from snakebites, whilst disrespecting her brings catastrophe - usually in the form of the disrespectful person being killed by a snake. She also has the power to cure diseases such as smallpox, and grants wealth & prosperity to her devotees. There is a rich literary tradition in Bengal relating to Manasa - the Manasamangal which emerged from the 13th century onwards. Manasa's devotees are sometimes healers and spirit mediums.
here's the story of how Manasa gained her first devotee.

There is also a wide range of traditions relating to the Indian Nagas who are often depicted as half-human, half-snake. Nagas turn up in the Mahabharata, Buddhist stories, and in the legends of noted Tantric masters such as Goraknath and Matsyendranath.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:38 / 19.05.06
I've never really understood this generally, but in magical terms, does it matter if the toilet seat is down, or up?

(I'm aware of the Feng Shui implications, but nothing else.)
 
 
Unconditional Love
14:22 / 20.05.06
Frequent stealing will put you in contact with hermes, as will a confident use of communication and a particularly resourceful nature.
 
  

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