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I took no offence at what you wrote. There's nothing IMO offensive in it.
What I would say though is that it all sounds more like lit-crit than magic--like you've read a lot of different takes on Gods, angels, spirits etc., taken the bits you thought sounded interesting or convincing, and wrote an essay based on that. Which is fine, nothing wrong with doing that. My problem is just that it all sounds a bit like you could do with some serious playtime. You need to put down the books and get out in the fresh air, explore the neighbourhood a bit. Get some facetime.
GODS are deep structures of brains or dna that create human values and dreams. they arose to prominence during the process of civilization,
How do you know this? Reference please. "I just thought of it and it feels right/I dreamed it and it feels right/Helios told me last weekend when I had Him over for tea and sticky cakes" will do nicely.
subjugating an older competing set of values based on nonhuman nature spirits. gods are a semiotic duality, in which a symbol and its reference can exchange features, thus making gods dynamic and alive.
Refs. please. Academic/philosophical investigation? Tea and stickies?
likely to have begun through chronic public invokation of an egregore, such as ritual reverence for a dead leader along with a physical symbol of his/her power-- for example, a skull, a weapon or tool, a likeness, a flag or emblem, or even a totem animal.
v.g., has definately done the recommended reading and gets a gold star. Now, why do you think that? It sounds juicily plausible, but is this statement coming from experience or just from current recieved thought?
ANGELS are mathematical and selective principles of the universe in which we live.
Plz to be defining an "angel." I have limited experiences of p/People claiming to be angels* so I can't really say much about them. I've had varying accounts of angel contact from people who actually knock around with such; some regard them as big shiny spirits, kind of like some of our Guys in the NT. Others experience them as facets of the mind of G-d. I think there is validity in all such accounts. Depends what path you're on.
they can be conjured, interpreted, and exploited though not confined directly by a human mind. however, they can be confined by larger angels, which may be the basis of demon creation.
Fancy outlining some of your methodology here? Your fave techniques and how they're working out for you?
angels who are tied to the material can develop flaws, since that is the basis of material existence (there is a crack in everything, thats how the light gets in).
Why is that which is material flawed? Why would it produce flaws in a "perfect" being? What is perfect? What do you mean by flaws--a taste for Brazil nuts, a yen for Guinness, a sweet-tooth for nose candy? More abstract stuff? Lust, gluttony etc.?
DEMONS are principles that humans use to control the world.
Interesting concept. Refs. please.
are they tortured angels? are they forbidden spawn? are they imprisoned by the angel lucifer at our command?
Dunno mate. What you reckon?
technology is the means used by humans to exploit demons.
I thought technology was the means used by humans to exploit certain physical laws, but your way could work too if you fleshed it out a bit more.
ANIMALS are animals.
OBVIOUS statement is obvious.
those with relevance to human civilization have godly allies who often share a distinctive characteristic, but each animal specimen is a manifestation of its own animal deities. as a different species, it is usually difficult for humans to distinguish pluralism in the deity of each animal. canis lupus (and its familiaris variant) certainly has the most complex pantheon,
Refs. please; I'd agree that Wolf has a lot of magicoreligious pertinance, but more than other species..?
but equus and ursus have decent genus-level pantheons, and class aves is mostly represented by order, with suborder distinction probably locally determined-- raptors and fowl to me, and of course passerines.
What, Gull and Falcon get differentiated but not Wolf and Dog?
animal deities vary by area, but their relevance to humans is mostly a matter of filling roles prescribed by the human brain. so one cultures wolf-myth is similar to another cultures tiger-myth, but not identical, because the roles are distributed across the spectrum of observed animals rather than assigned one-to-one. non-urban cultures may have gods who are mostly animal. if cities become political entities in such a culture, its gods will become progressively more humanish (my prediction).
You think there are no animal Gods in the city? Heh. Heheheheh. Just how far do you think you are from the nearest rat right now? The nearest cat, the nearest fox, the nearest cockroach, the nearest falcon, the nearest buzzard? The nearest bear?
clearly time to commune with the spirit known as leonard cohen (maybe hes on his way to godhood/head).
Satan's lounge singer. Good call.
just to clarify in light of this thread...a car would be a demon, gruesomely patched together from tortured spirits of metal, the children of the rubber tree, rotating angels, and some kind of upholstery imp, and filled with the power of the oil djini...
More Christine than Herbie? I haven't had any major relationships with car spirits since I'm not allowed to drive (or have sharp things unless there's a grownup present) but I disagree that any tool is going to be evil or bad. As with GL's trad, there's a special place in the Northern tradition for the smith and his craft. I see the car as an extension of that; I would also suspect that a car-spirit might also partake of the characteristics of the house-wight, the spirit of the home.
an oak tree would be a spirit that can act as a messenger to the 'oak' office in the bureaucracy of tree angels...
If you deal with angels, then certainly. To me, an oak-spirit is just zis guy, you know?
jesus is a god who lives in a particular complex of thoughts and images which activate an electrical pattern in our brains, which inspire us to create particular thoughts and images.
Which Jesus? I am convinced (based on personal experience) that there is more than one. There's the Jesus who used to hang around the Catholic churches I went to as a child; there's the Jesus that my good Christian friends know; there's the Jesus who tells Fred Phelps that God hates pretty much everybody who isn't Fred Phelps; and there's the Jesus I spoke to after my conversion to heathenry, who told me very kindly that He would follow my future career with interest but didn't push things. I've got a lot to say about Jesus-wight, but here is probably not the time.
and remember, i want you to tell me im wrong. so much that i will probably forgive you for not being nice about it.
I see absolutley no reason not to be nice about it. You've laid out your ideas clearly, honestly and with courtesy, and I look forward to reading your input in future.
*aside from my particular Friend in the North. Loki absolutely insists that He is an angel, but won't explain what He means. He thinks that sort of thing is hilarious. |
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and Suddhodana's wife, was a Koliyan princess. On the night Siddhartha was conceived, Queen Maya dreamt that a white elephant with six white tusks entered her right side, and ten lunar months later Siddhartha was born from her right side.