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This Sunday
12:40 / 24.10.07
I like the gods-as-people take. I can understand that. Gods as God I sadly am convinced I will always miss the point on. Also scoring points for the no redemption thing, even if my limited awareness of the whole greco-pantheon thing doesn't sync up, or, at least, my definition of 'redemption.'

The point is less the Greek gods, though, and more simply system types. They could have gone straight off the 'my Hindu students...' into other territory without losing the thread. Maybe.

Am I missing the part where One-True is inherently getting you into more trouble than loyalty-to-god-X in general? Depending on the god, I mean. In either direction.
 
 
Katherine
12:44 / 24.10.07
On the way home the other day I saw someone reading a small credit card sized book with a picture of an indian deity on it, after he had finished he touched the book to his eyes then heart before putting it away.

Any ideas what it was?

I'm curious about it but have absolutely no knowledge of indian religion or worship.
 
 
jentacular dreams
13:54 / 24.10.07
Well it could have been almost any traditional Hindu text (assuming that it was even that), but IME it was probably a copy of the Gita. Unless it seemed quite thick?

Of course it could just as easily have been a small compendium of verses or sayings, or a pamphelbook by one of the more modern gurus.

I grew up on Hindu mythology and scripture though, and have to say that it's vast, varied and rich. Well worth dipping a toe into if you haven't read any previously. I especially recommend the retelling of the Mahabharata by C. Rajagopalachari. There's quite a few different issues on amazon (all second hand I think). It's one of the two great Hindu epics, and though this translation/retelling is 50 years old it's still really well written.

Actually I've just noticed he's also done a retelling of the Ramayana (the other epic). WANT.
 
 
jentacular dreams
13:57 / 24.10.07
Or, if you can handle that much on-screen recreational reading, there's an online version of it here.

But be warned, it's a 200-odd page pdf.
 
 
EvskiG
15:27 / 24.10.07
Prominent secular and atheist commentators have argued lately that religion "poisons" human life and causes endless violence and suffering. But the poison isn't religion; it's monotheism.

Don't think monotheism per se is the problem.

Hindu fundamentalists, for example, have shown that they can be as violent and unpleasant as any other kind of fundamentalist.
 
 
Katherine
04:35 / 25.10.07
Of course it could just as easily have been a small compendium of verses or sayings, or a pamphelbook by one of the more modern gurus.

I think it is what it was as it was a thin booklet, well cared for but sellotaped together and with a picture of one of the deities on it. To be honest I wouldn't have noticed it apart from the devout way he ended his reading.

It also comes across as a good way of keeping texts that you use for daily devotions.
 
 
Ticker
12:49 / 26.10.07
For them's that is interested, it be the lunar Samhain tonight.

It's some sloppy neopagan scholarship to condense the festival down like this BUT it does allow for a nice symbolic start to the festivities. We do know the cycle of time keeping begins with night/sunset so even if you are going to wait for the modern 31st to roll around it really starts at sunset.

My ox-tail is thawing and I always feel super excited about my annual soup offering to the Dead. Now it feels like Halloween!
 
 
Papess
14:29 / 28.10.07
My Great-Uncle just died during that moon.
 
 
EmberLeo
19:43 / 28.10.07
May he rest well.

--Ember--
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
18:13 / 31.10.07
was thinking about a little thread for little projects/rituals/workings. stuff maybe too small to start your own thread about, but not a question so not to go here.

like, "this weekend I felt like trying X and when I did Y happened. next time might try alteration Z." etc. to read about what people are up to and make constructive commentary, but little, for those of us who aren't crossing the Abyss tomorrow.

too much like a list or wank thread? too encouraging of uninformed, dabbly magic? I think it could be fun, almost like a little journal.

or do we already have one?
 
 
EmberLeo
11:41 / 02.11.07
Two questions:

1: Did (or will) people do sufficiently interesting things for this Samhain that it's worth it's own thread?

2: Is it a sufficiently magical topic to have a thread for honoring our beloved dead given the spiritual occasion of Samhain/Dia De Los Muertos/Winternights/etc.? It doesn't feel like a specifically magical topic to be filled with entries of "I remember my grandpa. He helped me rehearse for musical auditions. Rest well grandpa." but to DO so is a very spiritual act...

--Ember--
 
 
grant
19:15 / 05.11.07
Isn't the ancestor reverence thread already there?
 
 
EmberLeo
08:14 / 06.11.07
Oh! *laughs* And I even started it myself, didn't I? Well, at least I'm consistant...

Actually, though, what I meant this time was a thread where people could actively offer reverence in the thread, by telling us about whichever dead person they are honoring. That thread is more intended as a comparative discussion of methods, with examples.

--Ember--
 
 
grant
16:38 / 06.11.07
Purely by coincidence, I'm reading this 1910 collection called Epic and Saga from the Harvard Classics Library - the translation of "Beowulf" was great - and I've gotten to this bizarre Irish thing called "Da Derga's Hostel."

Now, I've read the Cattle Raid of Cooley before, and stories of the Fianna and a few other folk tales from various compilations & anthologies. But this thing is curious.

I'm having trouble turning it into a logical narrative (heck, the translator seems to be injecting "Irishness" by shifting tenses every other paragraph). It seems to be a story of the first king of Ireland. The king has all these "tabus" that are being broken one by one, but I'm not seeing any payoff for the broken rules yet. There's a bit here where his actions are supposed to be the beginnings of a Samhain ritual, but there's no explanation for what the ritual actually is. It's really impenetrable to someone outside the tradition.

The "reavers" here seem to be the men following the king - I think as folks waiting to make their move against him.


The reavers make a start from the Strand of Fuirbthe, and bring a stone for each man to make a cairn; for this was the distinction which at first the Fians made between a "Destruction" and a "Rout." A pillar-stone they used to plant when there would be a Rout. A cairn, however, they used to make when there would be a Destruction. At this time, then, they made a cairn, for it was a Destruction. Far from the house was this, that they might not be heard or seen therefrom.

For two causes they built their cairn, namely, first, since this was a custom in marauding, and secondly, that they might find out their losses at the Hostel. Every one that would come safe from it would take his stone from the cairn: thus the stones of those that were slain would be left
....

Skip ahead a bit... "Conaire" is the king.

A "boar of fire" is kindled by the sons of Donn Desa to give warning to Conaire. Sot that is the first warning-beacon that has been made in Erin, and from it to this day every warning-beacon is kindled.

This is what others recount: that it was on the eve of samain (All-Saints-day) the destruction of the Hostel was wrought, and that from yonder beacon the beacon of samain is followed from that to this, and stones (are placed) in the samain-fire.

Then the reavers framed a counsel at the place where they had put the cairn.


Can anybody tell me more about what this story is and what these rituals are?
 
 
*
21:24 / 06.11.07
Sounds like it's referring to the bonfires of Samhain. Bones of livestock were probably burned as an offering in the fire, and maybe the "boar of fire" referred to burning a pig's carcass as an offering. Pig's meat is/was highly esteemed. I seem to also remember hearing about watch fires lit on hilltops all across the country to let each settlement know when Samhain officially began, but I don't have a reference for that handy.
 
 
Papess
13:20 / 09.11.07
There is a Deity Yoga thread for discussion. I am not certain if there is a problem with what I wrote to open the discussion, or if there is no longer an interest (you fickle lot!) in the subject.

There is a lot of territory to be covered in traditional and non-traditional application of the practice. I started with what I understand but that is in no way the only possibility.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:01 / 14.11.07
I would like some advice on dealing with muscular tension centred on the solar plexus. I've been wrassling with this one since I even knew I had a solar plexus, and never seem to get anywhere. It manifests around communication--speaking a foreign language makes it worse, talkig about certain topics makes it worse, singing makes it MUCH worse.

I'm currently addressing it using pranayama and other kinds of breathing excercises, Reiki zaps, and some Reichian and tantric warmups provided by another board member. Nothing really seems to offer any long-term relief though. What else could I be doing?
 
 
Papess
12:59 / 14.11.07
It seems like you are doing a lot already, but if you are looking for other considerations my advice would be to thus:

Since the chakra at the solar plexus associated with the adrenals, you may want to take a look at this regarding adrenal insufficiency. You may recognize the indications noted on that site.

Also, it is telling that you mention your voice. I am wondering if also working with the 4th or Anahata (Heart) chakra and also the 5th or Vishuddha (Throat) chakra would be helpful to get the life force to move freely through there and loosen up the tightness in the solar region. I am wondering if you have tightness in your stomach as well?

I am not certain what reiki involves, as I am not versed in it, but perhaps gently massaging the solar plexus and heart area and and your stomach in a clockwise motion would be beneficial.

Something else to consider would be diet. Because this is could be an issue that relates to the adrenals, my suggestion would be to stay away from meat and even eggs, refined sugars and dairy, at least for a while.

You could try some yogic postures as well, such as lion's pose, the fish pose, and the camel pose.

I wish you well, Mordant. Hopefully you will find what you need. Maybe some of that will help you.
 
 
grant
13:24 / 14.11.07
I'd recommend tai chi, but I always do. It's all centered on the dan tien, the body center, which is more-or-less the solar plexus (or immediately south of it, just above the hips/pelvis).

That yoga would probably do about the same thing, though. I don't know because I haven't done both things, but it looks about right.
 
 
Papess
14:05 / 14.11.07
Oh, yes, it just occurred to me while chatting with a friend of mine, as she made a pendant of fluorite for her purposes. For you, Mordant, you may want to consider charging up a good piece of amber for the solar plexus and wearing it hung at that level.
 
 
Unconditional Love
17:04 / 14.11.07
Something that helps me related to breathing is back breathing, inflating the lungs backwards into the spine, it concentrates the mind and breath in an unusual direction and while working on tension in the back and shoulders removes focus from the front of the body, so rather than the feeling of pushing forward, i get the sensation of relaxing back into things.

It can help to remove tension and focus from the frontal areas of the body its a technique common to opera and taoism, its alleged to bring in chi very quickly.

Try it with the whole lung rather than just mainly expanding the lower lung or upper. Again it diverts tension and focus from being forward facing which can be unusual in itself.

May take some practice, but i am guessing you might of encountered it before.
 
 
illmatic
19:33 / 14.11.07
Well, from a Reichian or orgonomic perspective, any persistent tensions that you've got are a major part of your body's energy economy. It's fundamental to the way you manage stuff. So unpicking it and loosening it may be quite powerful - overpowering possibly. We have armouring for a reason after all. I don't really know what to suggest as we and our armouring patterns are all so different anyway, and talking about this stuff over the internet is a bit like having a bath over the phone.

I have a similar problem with my neck and I'm not sure what to do about it. I'm thinking about both professional therapy to help and as a stopgap to try and work with some friends who I trust and see what happens.

One approach might be to see this holistically. How does it connect with both your emotions, feelings and attitudes as well as other parts of the body? The first thing that comes up in thinking about this area for me is that it's a kind of bridge between upper body and genitals - tensions there might be about blocking off sensations from lower down the body. I offer that up not because it will be in any way relevant to your situation, but because that's kind of how that kind of therapy works - everything is interconnected. It's one unified system existing alongside other body parts, sensations and emotions and the totality of your experience and life history. All is one.

In practical terms, this means you could focus on another body area and see what impact this has. In accounts of case studies, Reich and other therapists often report that a loosening in one place can have all kinds of effects from loosening elsewhere and dissolution of armouring to tightenings as people's bodies balance and manage the energy released. It's hard to say with any certainty as we are all different. Reich began from the eyes downwards as he wished to begin with some distance from people's genital and the connected conflicts.

Alexander Lowen recommends doing exercises daily in the morning, in one of his books, one of which is an abdomen loosener. I'm not sure how profound or otherwise this approach would be - works for some and not for others I'd imagine.

(Checks shelf - the book is Betrayal of the Body)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:48 / 20.11.07
Why can't I stop picking the scab? I must have written the same post over and over and over again in 5703 different ways. If there's a way for someone to willfully misinterpret it, they'll willfully misinterpret it. If they can't misinterpret it, they'll ignore it. And I've just written it again, and I should be in bed, or at least doing something conducive to inbedness, and I'm not, because I'm drafting 5704.

Time to think about putting the keys through the letterbox.
 
 
Liger Null
08:26 / 21.11.07
Why not just put the willful misinterpreters on ignore, and become blissfully ignorant?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:38 / 21.11.07
Well there's always someone new to take up the torch.
 
 
Liger Null
08:45 / 21.11.07
Yeah, I suppose you're right.

Not being caught up on the Temple Forum, could you alert me to the thread in question so's I could get a better perspective on the situation. I'm all a-burn with curiousity as to what's bringing on the ire.
 
 
Liger Null
08:58 / 21.11.07
Never mind, I think I may have found it...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:35 / 21.11.07
Yeah, that one.

It's not even ire, it's more of a profound ennui...
 
 
zedoktar
18:37 / 26.11.07
So, anyone ever wonder at the similarity in the words Sophia and Sufi? Some ancient common origin?
 
 
Quantum
18:47 / 26.11.07
Sufi, Etymology- Arabic man of wool.
Sophia, Etymology- Greek σοφία, "wisdom".

I don't know enough about etymology to say there *isn't* a common root for the arabic and greek, but it seems unlikely to me.
 
 
jentacular dreams
19:52 / 26.11.07
Well the proto-semitic and indo-european roots from which both originate split about 6000 years ago, so it's pretty unlikely, though one can never rule out borrowed words.
 
 
akira
20:29 / 26.11.07
Is it be best to create a servetor for a specific purpose or make offerings to an already existing godform that can do the same thing?
 
 
EvskiG
20:36 / 26.11.07
Hey, Akira!

Before you get an answer here, how about responding to my questions to you in the Sigil Porn! topic?
 
 
EmberLeo
22:36 / 26.11.07
Akira, that is so completely a matter of oppinion and personal preference, I'm not sure how you'll get a short answer in a thread like this to a question like that.

--Ember--
 
 
Talas
02:45 / 27.11.07
My advice is 'create a servitor' or find another way to do what you want, because I don't think you're going to get much mileage out of your second idea ("make offerings to an already existing godform"). This is twofold:

1. In my experience and regarding the gods I work with, most of them don't like being thought of as 'godforms'. There's a few that I could imagine would play along with the idea, but you'd likely get more reliable results with something you programmed yourself.

2. Also, in my experience and regarding the gods I work with, if your first contact with them is to ask for something without having already or planning to promptly establish some variety of longer-term relationship with them, they're not going to do you any favors. It's like dialing a number at random and asking them if they're willing to lend you $20.

So, depending on the complexity of what you're trying to get, create a servitor or figure out something else.

You could always sigilize for it.
 
  

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