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Unconditional Love
14:34 / 16.03.07
I can relate to the single pointed egomania comment, the results of being in such a place and the aftermath of that place is never pretty, i tend to find i have just accured a whole host of other problems after a sojurn into that territory.
 
 
akira
18:28 / 16.03.07
When trying to invoke a particular element with its pentagram key do I start in the east and do all four directions (clockwise), start on the direction associated with the element, or do it so I finish on the direction associated with the element? Does it matter?

Also, same question but for planetary hexagram keys.
 
 
EmberLeo
23:56 / 16.03.07
Is there any magical meaning to this? Is it a voodoo baron guy?

I think he's just a Day of the Dead icon.

Well, yes, but I wouldn't say it's a Dia De Los Muertos icon instead of a Ghede icon, since it could quite easily be referring to both.

--Ember--
 
 
Essential Dazzler
00:29 / 17.03.07
Anyone work the Japanese/Nipponese Kami and the Shinto faith? I'm looking for a good book on the subject.

Reposting XK's question because I'd like an answer too.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:52 / 17.03.07
Not one tiny clue. However I know someone who uses Shinto practices as part of hir heathen frog DNA so I've dropper hir a line.
 
 
Ticker
13:10 / 17.03.07
I have tracked down the grand temple in Seattle WA and ordered a pair of books. Shinto may be the only major forest/nature religion not to have its tradition broken by christianity. There seems to have been a happier exchange with othey eastern religions.
 
 
akira
11:47 / 18.03.07
I figured out the planetary hexagram keys. Just find out where it is and point at it. Duh.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
13:12 / 19.03.07
Who are the big moon gods? Are any of them sneaky or mean or demanding? If they kinda grant you a frivilous love/sex request do they expect some kinda payment?
 
 
EmberLeo
08:35 / 20.03.07
If they kinda grant you a frivilous love/sex request do they expect some kinda payment?

In general, it is my experience that gods expect at least a polite "thank you" offerring if They grant a request.

Moon gods and goddesses are many and varied. Context is very useful for figuring out what or who you were addressing.

--Ember--
 
 
Ticker
14:49 / 20.03.07
I just got back form a small fortean conference in Baltimore. Some really great lectures and thoughts and a few I wanted to get up and leave. As I'm not sure how to translate this experience into the Temple I thought I'd chuck a few here in this thread.

Dr. Michael Grosso: Art as Materialization: Studies in Creative Dissociation.
This was a really great presentation as process about the Dr. Grosso's investigation of spirit mediumship during its hayday as a form of artistic materlization and the overlap between artist and medium. I enjoyed it but it was definately a start on a much bigger topic.

Joscelyn Godwin: The Collection Mania
A wonderful if compact review of some of the really weird stuff in the renaissance collections of Europe. Gold capped bezoars and human oddities. Godwin is an amazing presenter. He also has a new-ish book out "the Pagan Dream of the Renaissance" which I picked up. It looks fantastic about how the revival of the ancient traditions really got started through the artistic expression of the period.

Doug Skinner: "There’s a little monkey in us all.” Skinner investigated the cultural clash between creationism and Darwinism in the US; including the rewriting of the Scopes Trial, the odd story of Joseph Knowles, Biblical dinosaurs, and a brief history of caveman cartoons.

I love Doug and we had some really painful private discussions about the over use of the words 'spiritual' 'sacred' and 'cosmic', the decline of intellectualism, and the stigma of being a geek.

Mike Hughes did a first presentation on stage metalism which was ok but his later presentation of the Occult/UFO nexus was pretty damn great drawing on the work of Keel, Harpur, McKenna, and Valles. Some excellent discussion about DMT and UFOs.

Antonio Huneeus presented a lovely array of ancient and Renaissance Dragon Art. Of especially note were the images by da Vinci.

William Fellows, physicist from NOAA and metaphysician on "The Art-Science of Walter Russell." this could have been a much better presenattion on a fascinating subject but the choice of language 'paradigm/spiritual/vortex" rendered it sort of incomprehensible. I've seen the speaker present other topics very powerfully so I'm not sure why this one fell flat.


Zohara Hieronimus : Prophecy and the Seven Prophetesses of Israel, A Kabbalistic Journey. I was really looking forward to this discussion and it had a great deal of tantilizing bits. Sadly what the presenter tried to do with a seven month course in an hour long talk came out like mush. Giving people a crash course on gematria took the focus away from the Seven Prophetesses (we didn't even hear their stories). Of all the presenters this one was the most disappointing due to a heternormative pro patriarchy stance that was frankly shocking in a woman teaching the Kabbala.

"I'm not a feminist. The movement became one of lesbians, anti family, male bashing. I'm a humanist."

*headdesk*

"I enjoy the segregation of women and men at orthodox jewish events. It removes all sexual interaction."

*headdesk*

Herbert Bang AIA, geometer, with his new book The Realm of Sacred Architecture
This was a man pontificating about why scientific archeitecture is bad and ancient is good. A little bit about sacred geometry but not enough to take the topic out of personal opinion and into a structured review.

Alvin Holm, AIA, with "King Bladud of Bath: a riddle solved and a legend confirmed."
Again a presentation I had a lot of hope for and had some really great bits about the town of Bath as a sacred hub in the British landscape. Using the myth of Bladud and Pythagoras there were some great tidbits about the temple of Apollo and the Golden Mean. But again maybe it was because it was packed into an hour or I'm just incredibly picky about research it felt a bit flimsy in places.
 
 
Quantum
15:26 / 20.03.07
Mike Hughes did a first presentation on stage metalism

That typo made me laugh-
3:15pm- M. Hughes presents How To RAWK!!!

\m/ -,- \m/
 
 
Ticker
15:32 / 20.03.07
hehehehe, should I even put in for a mod change or leave it?
 
 
Ticker
12:55 / 22.03.07
lovely spring equinox megalith pictures:
The equinox alignment event at Cairn T, the passage tomb that crowns the hilltop of Carnbane East at Loughcrew, Ireland. Photographs taken on 20th March 2007.
 
 
Ticker
19:00 / 22.03.07
Talk to me about Florida water and Van Van wash (not oil), please.

I had a compulsion to pick them up for public ritual work I'm doing on Saturday. I know they are for purification but I'm not exactly sure what the best way of using them would be. (I PM'd rosie x but I'm assuming she maybe on hiatus)

I also think it is quite funny (haha not irony) that these items made it into the giant pile of loot at the occult shop and my regular purification items did not. I maybe falling victim to an occult marketing blitz...
 
 
Ticker
19:39 / 22.03.07
This is where I ordered my Shinto books from:

Tsubaki Grand Shrine of America

I was very excited to see the Shrine offers prayers for Aikido training (I'm a new student) but I felt I should wait to request one until after I understood the faith a bit more.
 
 
grant
19:47 / 22.03.07
I don't know Van Van wash, but Florida water is perfumey stuff that I *think* tends to be sort of splashed/sprayed around in the air. Less anointing than just getting the smell out.

I *think*, anyway.
 
 
Ticker
19:56 / 22.03.07
thank ya!

I also turned to this lovely site and Cat Yronwode

I'm going with:

to scent bowls of water set out for the spirits of the dead

I'm just not clear if the Van Van wash is for the space or for me. It seems kinda not like what I put on my person so I'm going with maybe a floor wash like it suggests on the bottle.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:07 / 22.03.07
'K, now that my internets are back on, here is what the good and deserving Alhandra has recommended...

Kojiki (The Record of Ancient Matters) -- I have this. My translation, which is the Basil Hall Chamberlain, and I *think* is the most recent, dates from 1882. O_O Amusingly, all of the "naughty bits" are translated in Latin, so that only proper scholars can read them. *wry grin*

Nihongi -- I don't have this, and need to get around to getting it.

Secondary Texts:
Shinto: the Kami Way by Sokyo Ono. If a person can get only one book, this is probably the one to get. It's a good and fairly straightforward overview of all aspects of the religion.

The Meaning of Shinto by J.W.T. Mason. This would be the second book to get -- in terms of understanding Shinto as a whole, and its general philosophy.

Shinto Norito: A Book of Prayers by Ann Llewellyn Evans. This book is a translation of the prayers used at Tsubaki Grand Shrine of America. They can definitely be used at home. Really cool -- it has the kana and romaji on one page, and the English translation opposite. So you can read the romaji even if you can't read the kana, and say the prayers as they are intended, and also know what the prayers mean. The proper vibration of the words is important to the faith, so using the romaji is important if you can't read Japanese.

Norito: A Translation of the Ancient Japanese Ritual Prayers by Donald L. Philippi. I don't like this one quite as well as the other. It's a chunkier read, and it doesn't have the Japanese alongside.

A Year in the Life of a Shinto Shrine by John K. Nelson. Describes the workings of Suwa Shrine throughout an approximate year, through the eyes of a non-native who observed and participated in the shrine's celebrations during that time. This is a great read. It's more about people and sort of day-to-day stuff than the underlying philosophies, though those can be found in it as well.

I also have A Popular Dictionary of Shinto by Brian Bocking, though I haven't needed it too terribly much.


To Be Continued...

(She also linked some websites. I'll come back and post those when I can be bothered doing all the href= stuff.)
 
 
EvskiG
20:18 / 22.03.07
Talk to me about Florida water and Van Van wash (not oil), please.

You could always get Ganges Water. (But I certainly wouldn't drink it!)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:25 / 22.03.07
Get thee to the Potions 101 thread!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:52 / 22.03.07
As I understand it from what I've read, you have it right, XK. Florida Water is a cologne and to be used about one's person, whereas Van Van wash is for the room... hang on, I'll check me 5000 Spells...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:56 / 22.03.07
...yeah, sounds about right. Van Van oil is kind of a Swiss Army knife deal. Draws the good stuff to you (fortune, prosperity etc) whilst shooing away ick. Anything that says "wash" on it, as opposed to "oil," I'd use to clean places with.

I'm a huge n00b when it comes to all this though.
 
 
Ticker
01:04 / 23.03.07
Thanks for the shinto books and potion review. My dojo is pretty much on the mellow end of things but I feel the need to understand the shinto elements. Besides it just seems to be right on in a divine Nature sort of way.
I am going to use the wash in the space tomorrow to prep it. If nothing else it seems like a good meditation.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
10:07 / 23.03.07
XK
You might also find The Catalpa Bow: A Study of Shamanistic Practices in Japan of interest. I read it a few years ago and thought it was pretty good.
 
 
Ticker
12:48 / 23.03.07
You Sir, kick some serious research ass!

Thank you, the book looks amazing. I know from the limited research I've done so far Shinto has four major branches Koshitsu (Imperial Household), Shuha (Sectarian), Minzoku (Folk) and Jinja (Shrine). Minzoku Shinto being the least well known and Jinja Shinto being the most.


Minzoku, I believe (again I'm just starting my research), has the most remaining shamanistic practices perserved including possession work. Though I've read it is now intentionally acted possession rather than actual possession. I'll be interested to see how The Catalpa Bow presents this aspect of the tradition.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
13:19 / 23.03.07
XK
Here's an online review of The Catalpa Bow
 
 
Ticker
14:12 / 23.03.07
*swoon*

yeah, that will do nicely. Thank ya.
 
 
alphito
14:20 / 23.03.07
xk:

in reading a vegetalismo group on tribe.net, i ran into a tidbit regarding florida water...the stuff from s. america is apparently made with ethanol, as it is used for the spittin' and sprayin' type work, whereas the stuff at your down the street north america botanica is likely to be the undrinkable poison variety of alcohol. you can order the mouthable stuff online in this wondrous age of course but making your own would be fun. i'll run to the potion thread now...

also, i am wiping drool off my face from reading your convention notes. joscelyn godwin on bezoars and eurohoodoo. sigh. how lovely!
 
 
Ticker
15:40 / 23.03.07
I preached about the 'Lith to a select handful of attendees and will continue to do so. Hopefully we will get an influx of Forteans.
 
 
Pyewacket The Elder
22:07 / 24.03.07
With regards to Ganges water - truly powerful stuff indeed!

A boatman in Varanasi told me that if you drink Ganges water you never get sick. My travelling companion asked "do you have to be a Hindu?". The boatman gave us a mirthful look and concurred that it might be beneficial indeed. No sooner had I been sold two containers that I duly filled with holy waters did I proceeded to vomit repeatedly into the self same river. A lot.

I'd like to think that mother Ganges took something of me in exchange for something of Her, however it might have been the Ganges tea I’d drunk just prior to boarding the boat wot dun it... not to mention the umpteen sewerage outlets up-river.... and the bodies..and that.

Still, most excellent for ritual libations!
 
 
Make me Uncomfortable
01:13 / 25.03.07
Side note: I love all of you guys.
 
 
Olulabelle
11:18 / 25.03.07
XK, alphito is correct. Florida water as you can probably buy is cologne, but florida water (agua de florida) is also used by the amazonian shamans in their ayahuasca rituals for 'flourishing'. They spit and spray the water onto you, specifically to cleanse you during the ritual. I believe it's used in San Pedro rituals too.
 
 
Ticker
13:37 / 27.03.07
Any interest in a Shinto thread and/or do we have one I can't find?

Thanks 'Lula, rosie x hooked me up with some info as well.
 
 
Quantum
13:50 / 27.03.07
I'm interested in a Shinto thread. All I know about Kami is from MtG.
 
 
Ticker
01:10 / 28.03.07
Ok well it's up. Anyone and everyone is welcome to start asking questions and sharing experiences!
 
  

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