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Marvel Mythology Surgery

 
  

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Krug
09:37 / 23.12.05
All those shitty comics. How anybody could give people like Howard Mackie work is stunning.

Thanks Finder.
 
 
Jack Fear
10:26 / 23.12.05
Not that I can remember - he originally had a poor heart, that was the reason behind him building his armour - something to do with him being a POW in Japan...

Vietnam, in fact—at least in the original, erm, origin.

Dashing young defense contractor Tony Stark—ah, the early Sixties, when an arms merchant was leading-man material!—was in Southeast Asia to demonstrate some new high-tech weapons for his Pentagon paymasters. The Viet Cong, unamused with being used as guinea pigs, responded by fragging young Tony's position. His escort was killed and he himself gravely wounded—a fragment of shrapnel was lodged PERILOUSLY NEAR HIS HEART!

Tony was taken captive by a VC "warlord," who took him to a hidden bunker (!) and tried to force him to create super-weapons for the Communists—with the assistance of another prisoner, a Chinese scientist who, despite being drawn wearing pyjamas and colored the tint of cornmeal, was a good guy.

Luckily, Tony's new bosses didn't keep very good tabs on his new research, as his first order of business was to design a chest-plate that would save his own life from the ENCROACHING SHRAPNEL! and then build around it a set of super-powered armor with which to kick VC backside.

Through at least the late 60s, Tony literally depended on the Iron Man armor to keep him alive, which added an interesting blessing/curse slant to the stories and made for some tense moments when the armor's power cells ran down, and so on. Later he had life-saving surgery—Dr. Strange did the operation, IIRC—to remove both the pesky shrapnel and the tragic-character aspect, leaving him fit, happy, and dull.

Well, wouldn't you turn to drink after that?

remember some story that just had a drunk tony living as a bum on the streets, having lost the company, the armour, everything

Subtlety, thy name is comics.
 
 
matthew.
23:26 / 26.12.05
Keeping with Iron Man questions, what's the deal with Jim Rhodes? I was reading Secret Wars and it makes a big deal about Iron Man being black. I assume this man under the steel is Jim Rhodes, the dude who went on to become War Machine.... Can anyone fill in the blanks for me (ie, why another dude, why War Machine, why why why)?
 
 
Benny the Ball
09:45 / 27.12.05
Again, this is from memory, Jim took over when old drunken head was feeling like he couldn't go on. He was in Tony's employment (as a tester/bodyguard/confidant or something) and was handed the armour secretly (may evan have been one of those "Tony Stark is Iron Man - no he isn't look, he is there with Iron Man in the same room" kind of deals. He carried on for a while, but then Tony took back over when he was attacked and put the armour back on (may even have been the really old suit he put on) to save the day, but then let Jim carry on with his own armour.
 
 
Benny the Ball
09:51 / 27.12.05
Here is a cut and paste of some more stuff about it - so I was almost remembering it right, kind of...

However, Stark's health continued to deteriorate, and it was discovered that the armor's cybernetic interface was causing irreversible damage to his nervous system. His condition was aggravated by a failed attempt on his life by a mentally unbalanced former lover which injured his spine, paralyzing him. Stark constructed a "skin" made up of artificial nerve circuitry, intended to assist his own failing nervous system. Stark began to pilot a remote-controlled Iron Man armor, but when faced with the Masters of Silence, the telepresence suit proved insufficient. Stark designed a heavier armed version of the suit to wear, the "Variable Threat Response Battle Suit", which became known as the War Machine armor.

Ultimately, the damage to his nervous system was too extensive, and almost killed Stark. Faking his death, he placed himself in suspended animation to heal as Rhodes took over the running of Stark Enterprises and once again took up the mantle of Iron Man using the War Machine armor. Stark ultimately made a full recovery and reassumed the mantle of Iron Man. When Rhodes learned that Stark had manipulated his friends by faking his own death, he became enraged and the two friends parted ways, Rhodes continuing as War Machine in a solo career.

A schism within the Avengers following the events of the Kree-Shi'ar War ("Operation: Galactic Storm") led to a difference of opinion regarding the future of the Avenger's west coast branch. Iron Man left the team and formed a new superhero group, Force Works, funded by Tony Stark and comprised of ex-Avengers. However, tensions within that team soon led to his resignation from it, and Iron Man attempted a reconciliation with the Avengers.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
10:46 / 27.12.05
Confusingly, I think those are two separate stories. Rhodes became Iron Man in the 80's, I believe because Stark was drunk and rubbish, which is when Secret Wars happened. Then Stark got better (maybe while Rhodes was in Secret Wars??) and started wearing the armour again.

In the 90's, the stuff where Tony was shot happened, when Rhodes became War Machine.
 
 
matthew.
13:47 / 27.12.05
Didn't Force Works only last half an hour?
 
 
Aertho
14:08 / 27.12.05
In Marvel time, a half hour is equivalent to one of Quicksilver's blinks.
 
 
Brigade du jour
20:24 / 27.12.05
When Rhodes learned that Stark had manipulated his friends by faking his own death, he became enraged and the two friends parted ways, Rhodes continuing as War Machine in a solo career.

Were they in a band as well? Wicked!
 
 
Cowboy Scientist
17:12 / 11.01.06
Okay, quick question:
What happened with the Ultraverse?
I remember that Malibu comics was bought by Marvel, and that their characters were included in the MU, but do they still exist? If so, what is their current situation? Do we have to wait 20 years so Warren Ellis can bring them back?
 
 
The Falcon
22:20 / 11.01.06
Marvel won't publish them because the creators basically have too good of a deal on the rights and things. There was an LITG about this, when it was in its' investigative phase - one of the better ones ('bout 2 of 6 were decent.)
 
 
Dark side of the Moonfrog1
12:55 / 13.01.06
Not really a mythology question, but I'm wracking my brains to think of robots/androids/mechanoids/walking toasters etc in the Marvel Universe.

So far i've got...

Ultron, Vision, Machine-Man, Mad Thinker's Android, Super-Adaptoid, Sentinels, TESS-One, Doom-Bots, Kree Sentry Robot, Dragon Man, H.E.R.B.I.E. and the original Human Torch.

|'m sure there must be more (No lame robot versions of heroes allowed though....) Can anyone help?
 
 
Benny the Ball
13:06 / 13.01.06
How could you forget ROM?
 
 
Spaniel
13:09 / 13.01.06
ROM was a cyborg (as well as being the best ever), wasn't he? I mean, he was a humanoid grafted to space armour.

What about Jocasta?
 
 
doctorbeck
13:16 / 13.01.06
am i right in remembering that the android original torch was used as scrap to make the vision?
was kid-torch an android too?
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
13:29 / 13.01.06
Kid Torch (Toro) was human I think - he had a wife and everything.

What about Recorder, from the Hercules stories?
 
 
Jack Fear
13:31 / 13.01.06
doctorbeck: Yes and no, respectively.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
13:31 / 13.01.06
They just used Torch's spare parts. Torch himself was in suspended animation the whole time and returned in the last few issues of West Coast Avengers, and also led the last Heroes for Hire team.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
13:32 / 13.01.06
The original story had them using Torch's spare parts, but Byrne retconned that in WCA.
 
 
doctorbeck
13:35 / 13.01.06
so, a few other fans of the Invaders, i think it must have been the late 70s when i was buying them, maybe even as late as 1982, i suppose i must have liked that there were english heroes in their too fighting the axis supervillians. a few of them clearly had post-ww2 adventuring when they weren't in suspended animation, cap and torch (who i didn't realised had made a come back), sub-mariner of course, any others crop up in crappy short-lived marvel supergroups like the new defenders?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
14:17 / 13.01.06
Byrne had a Torch, Cap, Namor reunion issue in West Coast Avengers. Probably be able to pick it up for a dollar or less in the back issue bins.
 
 
adamswish
14:22 / 13.01.06
a slightly topical question:

the new spiderman costume they have revealed here during the piece they mention that it "echoed one of Spidey's greatest villains".

Which villian?

All I'm seeing is the usual Iron Man colours. Not surprising as it's created by the good Mr Stark.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
14:28 / 13.01.06
Shocker wears those colors.
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:29 / 13.01.06
At a guess, I'd guess The Tarantular, he had a similar spider motief, but in blue, and not a full face mask...
 
 
Jack Denfeld
14:33 / 13.01.06
 
 
Slim
15:02 / 13.01.06
Though the Shocker holds a special place in my heart because he was one of the first Spidey villains I came across, he's not exactly one of Parker's greatest foes.
 
 
Slim
15:08 / 13.01.06
And I refuse to believe that anyone wearing a quilt for a costume can be all that threatening.
 
 
Benny the Ball
15:08 / 13.01.06


tarantula
 
 
Jack Denfeld
15:09 / 13.01.06
It's the only Spdey villian with that color scheme though. I think he was in one of the versions of the Sinister Six. Anyway, after Venom and Green Goblin, Spidey's foes aren't that great.
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
16:10 / 13.01.06
the full quote on the "Iron Spidey" outfit from Newsarama:

"The Iron Spider design - as I like to call it - came to me during a Spider-Man story meeting we were having, we were talking and I was involuntarily sketching on a pad. It's inspired by a sketch that Chris Bachalo did that showed a new Spidey costume with [CLASSIFIED]. I thought that was brilliant, especially since it echoed one of Spidey's greatest villains, and I took the idea and imagined it as though seeing it through the eyes of Tony Stark. The sky's the limit with respect to gadgetry when it comes to Tony inspired costumes."

The article also points out that in all likelyhood this isn't the final version of the costume. Now, I hope I'm wrong, but when I read the quote above, my brain thought for a second and then substituted "extra arms" for the [CLASSIFIED], which would lead me to think that maybe Spidey is echoing the look of Doc Ock.

We don't really know how "The Other" turns out yet (as far as I know), but this leads me to think that Pete might get spider arms. Again, I SOOO hope I'm wrong...
 
 
FinderWolf
16:35 / 13.01.06
The villain it echoes is Venom, because the Spider-pattern on it looks like the black costume/entity that Spidey and then Venom "wore."
 
 
FinderWolf
16:37 / 13.01.06
But I did enjoy seeing the John Romita, Jr. bulked-up Shocker pic. I always had a soft spot in my heart for the Shocker costume.

And MAN, is that new Spidey costume ugly. Hope it leaves very, very soon. They have to have him in the regular togs for the new Spidey movie next year anyway.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
16:58 / 13.01.06
It'll probably last as long as the Daredevil Battlesuit and Cap armor lasted, meaning not long.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:16 / 13.01.06
So what's this 'The Other' storyline then?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
17:42 / 13.01.06
Can someone give a rundown on what happened in House of M?
 
  

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