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Marvel Mythology Surgery

 
  

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Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
02:53 / 14.07.04
I would say that since Joey Q took over as EIC at Marvel, they have put out more interesting comics that DC overall. The two Spider-Man "off continuity" series were VERY well done, and most of the Marvel Knights stuff has been better than average.

It used to be that Marvel would put out stuff that was all very consistant, and DC would put out some brilliant stuff and some utter crap...and now, DC's line seems to be the bland one, and Marvel puts out stuff that is either really good or really worth flushing.
 
 
Lord Morgue
08:47 / 14.07.04
Urgh. Spider-Clones, Carnage's kids, IT'S A FUCKING SPIDER-PLAGUE! GET THE MORTEIN!
Marvel-time is weird. D.C. started again from scratch with a new continuity when Frederick Wertham killed horror comics, and they needed to publish something reletively innocuous, but Marvel pretty much incorperated the old Timely characters from the start, with Captain America in the Avengers, and Namor in Fantastic Four. So this means the time that Namor was amnesiac, and Cap was frozen in a glacier, keeps stretching. Also, characters with ties to definite real world events keep having to be retconned or show their age, like Tony Stark's war keeps changing, but the Punisher is either gonna have to become a Gulf War vet, or start wearing adult diapers soon. And Nick Fury showing up as an older man in charge of a spy organisation in the sixties, after fighting in WW2 wasn't much of a stretch, but by the eighties they had to write in that "Infinity Formula" angle. Ha, and what about Dum Dum Duggan? How fucking old is he, anyway? Just how many people is Fury supposed to have shared his rare life-prolonging elixer with, anyway? We're supposed to believe the guy who was extorting him with the stuff for all those years supplied enough to keep the entire Howling Commandoes young enough to be a combat unit into the next century? And now Fury's body is manufacturing the drug itself, like Hourman and his son. Yeah, y'know, I wish I'd used enough beer and pot in the eighties to be able to get drunk and stoned at will, because I sure as fuck can't afford it now...
AAAAAARRRRRGGHHH!
Oh, Squirrel Girl, you're the only one who understands me...
 
 
FinderWolf
13:38 / 16.07.04
>> Nick Fury showing up as an older man in charge of a spy organisation in the sixties, after fighting in WW2 wasn't much of a stretch, but by the eighties they had to write in that "Infinity Formula" angle.

Thankfully, they haven't mentioned the Infinity Formula in a long time. I'd rather they just avoid mentioning Fury's WW II time altogether so we can all just accept he's a grizzled old solider and leave it at that.
 
 
fluid_state
07:01 / 17.07.04
I always liked how Marvel dealtt with their WWII characters, particularily all the "extra" Captain Americas (the 50's guy? he was a Nazi! 60's? drug-crazed psycho! 70's? drug-crazed Nazi psycho!). Fury's allright, but I agree about the rest of SHIELD: why is Dum Dum still running around? dude's, like, 95. Though it's not like they can re-invent him as a younger, cooler version, not with a name like Dum Dum Dugan. (unless they droog him right up: Dim Dim Dugan. Yeeeeah.)

So whatever happened to Power Pack? I read it when I was 11, introduced me to the X-men in fact, and dropped it around when they got their powers switched. Always been kind of curious, though...
 
 
Warewullf
10:59 / 17.07.04
Last I heard of Power Pack, the eldest guy, (Alex?) had taken all their powers and was running around with The New Warriors. That might have been late 90's, though.
 
 
Brigade du jour
20:37 / 17.07.04
Oh dude, I used to love Power Pack, had such a crush on Julie.

Um, I'd like to point out for anti-noncery purposes that I was about twelve. And so was she.
 
 
Lord Morgue
06:09 / 18.07.04
There was a Days-of-Future-Past version of, I think, X-Force, that had the youngest all grown up and similarly quad-powered. Four lame powers that combine into one pretty nasty array of abilities- what was it, relativistic flight and mass control- you're your own railgun, dude. Plus gaseous form and energy manipulation capable of channelling Thor AND Beta-Ray Bill's power simultaneously...
Called herself Powerpax, as I recall.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:38 / 19.07.04
There was a POWER PACK miniseries with art by Colleen Doran and written by who knows about 5 years ago, in which the kids were teens. Came and went. Seemed kinda bleh.
 
 
grant
16:02 / 13.08.04
Reading this thread on the next Spider-Man movie just made me confused. Everyone’s talking about The Lizard, and I just realized I have no idea who The Lizard is. I’ve been thinking about Croc all this time – big, goon/gangster type, maybe like Scorpion or Rhino only reptilian and not in a suit.
So who’s The Lizard?
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
16:16 / 13.08.04
The Lizard is Doctor Curtis Connors, genetist, Biologist, all around genesis. He lost his arm in Vietnam (I think, and I'm quite sure they retconned this, but...) and then developed a serum based off Lizard DNA to cause human tissue to regenerate itself, similar to iguanas that can regrow there tail and such. Then, like any good man of science in a comic book, he tested it on himself. The project backfired, and although he did regrow his arm, he also grew a tail and became an evil Lizard monster and Spider-Man villian. The End.
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:05 / 13.08.04
Of course the best part of the Lizard's situation was that he became one of those predator types who even had empathetic control over all the alligators traped in the New York sewer system.
Of course spiderman want's to save Dr. Conner's life before someone kill's him but all the lizard is interested in is his next meal.
 
 
tituba
06:37 / 16.08.04
I have a question, Jessica Jones from Alias used to be a super-hero, what was her name and what could she do? I know I should just read the book but this is easier...
 
 
chairmanWOW
09:42 / 16.08.04
She was called Miss Marvel and she wore a red and yellow swimsuit with blue boots. She was strong and even had a fling with the thing. Then she got turned into She-Thing. Was that her or Sharon Ventura, I forget...
 
 
doctorbeck
10:45 / 16.08.04
ms marvel had a thing with the thing?

okay i've been putting off asking this for a long time, maybe all my life, but his, you know, his thing, maybe 10 inches of rock right? just how invulnerable is ms marvel?

and don't get me started on mr fantasic.

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_Boboss
11:29 / 16.08.04
we call this the kevin smith misnomer, because the mouthy one in mallrats didn't have quite enough glib and half-thought lines to bark.

short version: the thing has no penis. that's the big problem with being a beast fashioned of pure wall. 'i used ta be a man!!' if he had a brick prick i don't think his oft-lamented emasculation would be quite the issue with him that it is.

this isn't a truey true that joey q'll nod to though, it's just the conclusion the clever kids come to when they grow up and try to find some sense in ole blue eye's constant ranting.
 
 
tituba
12:19 / 16.08.04
Yes, yes. I understand that the Thing has a rock hard cock or he doesn't but WHAT was Jessica Jones' Superhero name? I doubt that it was Ms Marvel...
 
 
_Boboss
12:26 / 16.08.04
wasn't it just spider woman?
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
12:47 / 16.08.04
No, you're thinking Jessica Drew (I think). I only read the first arc of Alias, but I want to say she was Crystal or something like that. But don't quote me on it.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
12:58 / 16.08.04
Jessica Jones was Jewel - I recommend Alias, go pick up the reprints.

Ms Marvel in the FF, that had a fling with the Thing, and eventually became rocky herself, was a different Ms Marvel to the cosmic 70's/80's one, recently known as Warbird in the Avengers. This one was Sharon Ventura, I think she was a pro wrestler when she met the Thing.
 
 
Lord Morgue
07:58 / 17.08.04
Ms. Marvel 1 (Warbird) was Carol Danvers, M.M. 2 (She-Thing) was Sharon Ventura.
There was one hilarious issue of Peter David's Hulk where the grey Hulk was fighting Ventura, and kept razzing her with lines like "Grimm! The last time I fought you you looked like a pineapple, and now you're a broad!" and "Get away from me Grimm, this girl stuff is too weird for me. I keep thinking you're gonna try and kiss me or something."
Does anyone recall what ended up happening to Ventura? The last I remember, she turned into a larger, more deformed Thing and went to work for Dr. Doom...
 
 
tituba
11:21 / 17.08.04
I think she made an appearance in Fantastic Four again a few years ago in human form. Don't recall how she got unrockafied but she wasn't sporting her little red number anymore.

Could she fly like Carol Danvers and did she get her power in the same way as Volcana did? Was she ever one of the Grapplers?
 
 
Lord Morgue
15:58 / 19.08.04
Nah, she was a Power Broker goon, like John Walker and Demolition Man. She was with the Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation, but I don't think she was part of the gang of super-criminals like Screaming Mimi etc..
O.K., question. THIRD SUMMERS BROTHER!? Has someone at Marvel been snorting the art supplies? Is this third Summers brother perhaps driving the Spider-Buggy, accompanied by Spider-Clones and Carnage Kids, with the Skrull Alicia Masters in tow? And Bat-mite, Bat-Hound, Super-Horse and Super-Monkey? Do I have to start writing my Marvel Editorial Staff Death List, and go get Archie Goodwin to forge me the Moron-Killer Sword? 'Cause I will! Right. Shooter, DeFalco...
 
 
Michelle Gale
16:24 / 19.08.04
This be the ill conceived bugger
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
18:55 / 19.08.04
This essay on the same site gives some of the behind-the-scenes info.
 
 
Lord Morgue
05:29 / 20.08.04
Ho Lee Shit, as Ribit would say. So he's... Cable and Rachel Summers' uncle, and Weapon X (Tyler's)...grand-uncle? Great-Uncle? What does that make him and Stryfe? Do you count a clone as a child or a sibling? I'm doodling a family tree for the Summers clan here, and with all the cloning and time travel, it's looking more like a sea anenome.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
06:04 / 20.08.04
You can Google a Summers family tree!!
 
 
tituba
09:47 / 20.08.04
Summers Family Tree without dashes and semi-colons



Regarding text family tree, who is Anya Lensherr?
 
 
tituba
09:48 / 20.08.04
I know! It's really big and colorful!
 
 
Michelle Gale
11:12 / 20.08.04
Regarding text family tree, who is Anya Lensherr?

Wasn't she Magneto's first daughter? the one that got killed by an angry pitchfork bearing mob. or something.
 
 
Lord Morgue
14:03 / 20.08.04
Bloody hell.
Hah, the text tree forgot Reed Richards' father's second wife, the one on an alternate earth who was some kind of warlord before Wyatt Wingfoot threw a rock in her antimatter cannon.

I can't believe I knew that.

Boy, Adam X-Treme looks very... Nineties. That's Marvel, never afraid to be ten years behind the rest of the world (Disco Dazzler, anyone?)
Hey, wasn't there some long-lost X-Factor subplot involving Jean Grey's sister's kids? Anything come of that? I seem to recall them getting kidnapped by everyone from Mr. Sinister to Nanny and the Orphan Maker...
 
 
Lord Morgue
14:21 / 20.08.04
And while we're at it, did anything come of X-Factor's Ship's intelligence being bundled up with the infant Cable when they sent him to the future with Askaani Plotdevice?
 
 
tituba
09:30 / 23.08.04
Yet another dangler, maybe that’s way Cable is such a crap character, now we have Ship to blame for his uninspired personality…

Who came first, Ship or Kitt, the talking car? Came as in introduced first…

When it comes to the Summers brothers they’ve impregnated every incarnation of Jean Grey three times over. Madelyne Pryor got knocked up with Cable by Cyclops and with Scottie by Alex. Two different Scott Summers had a go with two different Jean Greys, producing two alternate timeline siblings, Rachel Summers and Nate Grey. Has Havok ever swapped DNA with Marvel Girl?
 
 
Spaniel
09:58 / 23.08.04
Okay, so AOA is Age of Apocalypse, but what's DOFP?
 
 
Michelle Gale
09:58 / 23.08.04
Cable used to have that "proffesor" AI in his arm, i think it died. That could have been ship
 
 
Spaniel
10:04 / 23.08.04
Ah, I remember. Day of Future Past.
 
  

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