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jephyork
00:43 / 01.05.04
Maybe it's embarrassing. Like "Rosemary" or "Mindee" or something.

-Jeph!
 
 
Quimper
00:44 / 01.05.04
To answer what happened to Scott after The Twelve...

Basically, Poccy wanted to use the 12 to recreate a universe from scratch. They all had elemental powers, the 12 did. AND, he was going to use the body of X-Man (shudder) to give himself a quite powerful, godlike existence. When Poccy, who we found out was a inhabiting spirit, tried to go into Nate Grey and Cyclops jumped in the middle. So Poccy went into Scott instead to create that Apocaclops-looking version of Apocalypse.

Cut to the Cyclops limited series. Scott is wandering the earth with the subconcious knowledge that he's got a bad spirit inside of him. Jean and Cable go looking for him, find him, and they (mostly that bad bitch Jean) exorcise Poccy from Scott destroying the evil entity in the process...until he was reborn in multiple New X-Men theories.
 
 
The Falcon
00:48 / 01.05.04
Rogue's real name is Marie d'Ancanto.
 
 
jephyork
00:51 / 01.05.04
Well, sure, that's her name in the MOVIES. In the comics, Marie D-ancanto is a separate character entirely -- a human, who was maimed in a car accident caused by roughhousing teenage mutants. See X-Treme (snicker) X-Men #31-46 for some Marie goodness.

In that series, by the way, Rogue is going under the name "Anna Raven", but that's almost certainly a fake name.

-Jeph!
 
 
thirty/thirty
06:59 / 04.05.04







I have two questions about Mr. and Mrs.
Summers

 
The first is about a panel I remember that's been
driving me insane because I can't remember where I saw it or what the story
behind it was.  The only thing I can remember is this scene where Jean is
looking into Cyclops' exposed
blazing eyes and she says "Scott, you have such beautiful eyes".  I think
her head gets blow off after that but I'm not sure.
 
The second is about a mysterious figure that I can
only remember seeing once.  It's this black guy dressed in a suit, standing
in the middle of the street infront of Jean's parents home talking to himself
about some or other manical plan.  When Jean and Scott are done prateling
on about her dead sister they get into their purple car and they drive
through this mysterious fellow.  This all takes place in the issue
where Juggernaut gets airmailled to New York byway of Onslaughts
steel-toe.  Who is this guy?  I thought it was Moses Magnum seeing
that he's the only black villian in X-Men
history... 
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
08:06 / 04.05.04
The first sounds like something that appears in the Dark Phoenix Saga TPB - so it would be around UXM 140ish(?) - Jean uses her Phoenix powers to suppress Scott's eye beams - I think it takes place on top of an arizona-style bluff.
 
 
Mario
10:52 / 04.05.04
The second is Noah Dubois, who worked for Senator Kelly. A plotline that went nowhere.
 
 
Mario
10:54 / 04.05.04
Correction, he works for Landau, Luckman & Lake, the transdimensional corporation from Deadpool.
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
17:07 / 04.05.04
So, I just read the final issue of X-Treme X-men. Why does Callisto have tentacles?
 
 
Aertho
17:41 / 04.05.04
Apparently, and I DON'T have the issues, but Masque, who's a woman and beautiful now, transformed Callisto just some issues prior. Callisto seems to LIKE her tentacles, as does Claremont, who also likes to flirt with the idea that she and Storm are bloodthirsty enemies one minute and tittilating lovers the next. WEIRD I tell you. Weird.
 
 
raelianautopsy
21:46 / 04.05.04
Apparantly Callisto got her arms turned into tentacles off-camera, unless it was in that recent awful Storm storyline.

But what everyone forgets is that this is in reference to one of the late 80s Claremont X-Men's (when it got too confusing) where Masque turned Jean Grey's arms into tentacles and then turned them back. circa 165? So there is a precedent.
 
 
jephyork
05:07 / 05.05.04
#262-264 -- summer 1990.

Actually not too bad of a storyline.

-Jeph!
 
 
raelianautopsy
05:39 / 06.05.04
I meant circa 265.

I have the issues, I could have looked it up but I'm just lazy.
 
 
lukabeast
16:30 / 19.05.04
Wasn't there some form of Fantastic Four continuity where the only scarring Doctor Doom had under his armour was one small scar across his face? He was so vain that he considered himself disfigured? Or was this a "What If?" issue?
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:36 / 19.05.04
That Dr. Doom theory came to light during John Byrn's run. Victor Von Doom did only have a minor scaar after the accident in Collage, for which he blamed Reed Richards. Sometime later, once he made his way to the mountain monastary where the DOOM mask was forged, he placed it on his face while it was still HOT, fresh out of the fire. Thus the mask branded his entire face. Since his face was already perminantly disfigured by the 1st scar (according to him), melting the rest of his face didn't make a difference. It seemed to be a personal test of his own resolve as well.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:53 / 19.05.04
Hey Jephyork, thanks for the info re: Rogue/Anna Raven. I was wondering about that.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
21:03 / 19.05.04
I like that one guy's idea about Charles reworking Rogue's personality. That works for me.

Still, if I had control of the character, I'd just overload her brain with different personalities, a la Crazy Jane. I'd want her to be the perfect adolescent fuck up - body issues, wild mood swings, fucked up past. I'd embrace the mess. I think that's the only way to go with her - she makes no sense as a generic superhero, the fact that she's a mess is what makes her interesting and unique. She should be the Cat Power of the X-Men!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:49 / 19.05.04
According to this bio, "Gambit's powers are constantly operating on low levels thanks to brain surgery by Sinister."

Can anyone explain this to me? What's this all about?
 
 
lukabeast
00:34 / 20.05.04
Thanks Mr Tricks for the "Doom" answer. It is slowly coming back to me now. I had thought I had perhaps made this scenario up somehow.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
02:15 / 20.05.04
The Dr. Doom thing by Byrne was part of a way to pay tribute to both Lee and Kirby's ideas of Doom. Lee felt that Doom should be horribly scarred, so much so that he was hideous and scared people who saw him unmasked, which was how he wrote it. Kirby, however, felt that Doom's ego was so great that he only had a tiny scar on his cheek, but believed himself to be hideous (which I actually like better than Lee's version). They couldn't agree, so his face was kept secret.

Byrne combined the two when he did a more detailed version of Doom's origen.
 
 
lukabeast
02:24 / 20.05.04
That's interesting. I didn't know the Lee / Kirby back story to that. I must agree that Kirby's idea sticks a bit better with myself as well. That's probably why I remembered this one little detail of FF history.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
02:55 / 20.05.04
The full extent of Gambit's power was dealt with in Gambit's ongoing series. Basicly he's really super powerful but vastly uncontrollable. The uber-powers started to come back and causing problems. In the end he fought his uber-powerful alternate from another timeline and was drained of any powers beyond what most people know him to have.

It's not actually as bad as it sounds, the stroy arc having some great Mr. Sinister stuff.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:33 / 20.05.04
Kevin, would you mind explaining the Sinister/Gambit stuff a bit more? The thing I was most interested in was the "Sinister giving Gambit brain surgery." What's up with that?
 
 
Ed Mann
18:22 / 20.05.04
Dr. Doom's origin: I never knew this was a Lee vs. Kirby thing. I thought it was a Kirby vs. Byrne thing. I think Kirby said in an interveiw, in an off-hand fashion, that Doom's face was never destroyed; The accident gave him a tiny scar. Because he was such a perfectionist, Doom thought his face was ruined, and covered it with an iron mask. After all the years of thinking his face was ruined, and subsequent artists drawing his uncovered face in shadow, this quite blew my mind.
Shortly thereafter, I remember John Byrne at a convention saying that Doom's face was ruined, that "that was the way it was always written!" Soon his version of the origin story appeared, where Doom got the little scar, and then ran out and had the monks or whatever put a hot-metal mask on his face, destroying it. Yawn.
I remember thinking that, well, this is the difference between creators with brilliant, origional ideas, and others who just make stories by tidying up other's continuity.
Never heard Lee express an opinion either way, though.
 
 
jephyork
01:13 / 21.05.04
Gambits' brain surgery:

Okay, so ever since Uncanny #350, Gambit's been caryying around this mys-teeeer-ious "vial" that he got from Sinister -- some sort of payment for gathering the Marauders for Sinister way back when.

Anyway, in his own book, Gambit used Dr. Doom's time machine to travel back to the 1890s for some reason. He found himself stuck there -- and eventually came across the Sinister of that time period.

It was then revealed that the vial contained a piece of Gambit's brain.

That's right -- apparently, as a child, Gambit's "kinetic energy" powers were uber-powerful and uncontrollable. He sought out help from Sinister, who removed a section of his brain and brought his powers down to a controllable level (charging playing cards and such). Years later, Sinister gave Gambit that bit of his brain back, as payment. I have no idea why this was acceptable payment to Gambit, except perhaps for the comfort in knowing that it was out of Sinister's hands.

So, Gambit, lost in time, told the 1890s Sinister to put the bit of his brain in the vial BACK into his head. Sinister did so, and the resultant jump-start of Gambit's abilities somehow allowed him to time-travel back to the present. Yeah.

Later, while fighting a fully-powered double of himself from another dimension -- yep, that old chestnut -- Gambit burned out the tenuously-connected segment of his brain -- putting his powers back down to the level the fans have seen for years.

Fun stuff, neh?

-Jeph!
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
22:49 / 21.05.04
For the person that asked about Polaris and Magneto, Polaris is *not* Magneto's daughter - a robotic version of Magneto *believed* himself to be Polaris' father.
 
 
Mario
23:28 / 21.05.04
Carnaby.

As of Uncanny X-Men #430-431, she is.

You can thank Chuck Austen for that.
 
 
jephyork
04:37 / 22.05.04
The thing is, Austen was just building off of NXM #132, where Grant himself had Lorna repeatedly refer to Magneto as her dad...

'Course, Lorna was totally naked, self-conscious and crazy in the head in that issue -- but we all know Austen doesn't exactly pick up on story subtleties like that.

-Jeph!
(spot the reference and win a prize)
 
 
Warewullf
17:01 / 23.05.04
What's the story behind Marvel Girl (Rachel Grey's) return?

Wasn't she sent to the future during EXCALIBUR (where she set up the Askani)?

And why is she called Rachel Grey now when she used to be Rachel Summers?

And speaking of which, is the Askani-future still valid? I heard that there were some massive changes to Cable's story and I was wondering if the whole "Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix" story was still valid (so to speak)?
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
18:01 / 23.05.04
Mario - witness now a cracked and sadder man. It's all right - in the comics in my head, she's still *not* his daughter, just as Magneto's real name is Magnus Maximoff and the White Queen is a man, projecting his idealised image of himself onto others. *Sigh*.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:14 / 23.05.04
Warewulf, I recently emailed Paul from The X-Axis about Rachel Summers, and this was his response. This is much of an expert opinion as you can hope to get.

Paul says:

This gets a little confused because CABLE was working on a rather strange set of assumptions about how Marvel time works. Broadly speaking, the idea is that in the Askani timeline, Apocalypse successfully gained the power of
the Twelve, ascended to "godhood", and proceeded to conquer the world. When the X-Men defeated that plan during the Alan Davis run, the Askani timeline was averted. Depending on which story you read, it was either eliminated altogether, or relegated to a minor alternate timeline.

In any event, this apparently had the effect of relegating the "Mother Askani" version of Rachel to a divergent version of the character. Instead, the "mainstream" Rachel got lost in the timestream in EXCALIBUR #75, only to
turn up in the far future as a prisoner of a minor villain called Gaunt. Cable eventually rescued her and brought her back to the present day, where she decided to quit the superhero life and enrol in university.

There is some suggestion that Rachel has subconscious memories of her life in the Askani, but broadly speaking, all of that has been deleted. In current continuity, she got lost in time, was captured by a minor villain, and was rescued by Cable - throwing all of the Askani stuff out of the window, unless somebody feels passionately about bringing it back.

Rachel doesn't need to angst so much about her home timeline because Excalibur already saved that world from the Sentinels. Basically, all of her major crises and objectives have been resolved. (Which begs the
question, why bring her back? The answer is seemingly that they want to use her as the aggrieved daughter of Jean Grey, which involves fudging history somewhat.)


It seems pretty obvious that Rachel is now calling herself "Rachel Grey" and "Marvel Girl" as a tribute to her late sorta-mother.
 
 
The Falcon
19:36 / 23.05.04
(spot the reference and win a prize)

Beak, innit?
 
 
Mario
21:49 / 23.05.04
"Mario - witness now a cracked and sadder man. It's all right - in the comics in my head, she's still *not* his daughter, just as Magneto's real name is Magnus Maximoff and the White Queen is a man, projecting his idealised image of himself onto others. *Sigh*."

That's OK...in my mind "Kid Dynamo" was canon, and huge chunks of New Mutants was bad fanfic.

I get the feeling that Marvel won't be getting a lot of my money in the short term.
 
 
jephyork
22:49 / 23.05.04
Falconer wins the prize!

The prize is Xorn's helmet.

I'll mail it to you tomorrow.

-Jeph!
 
 
Warewullf
10:20 / 25.05.04
Cheers, Matthew! That's clears things up. Kinda. Sorta.
I actually liked the whole Askani thing.
 
  

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