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Marvel Mythology Surgery

 
  

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_Boboss
13:43 / 22.04.04
who was the hot wetnurse chick with a cow for a face? someone please tell me all about the high evolutionary. he was around for ages as a standard background baddie / mysterious ambivalent motivations typ kindly evil genius, then all the superheroes teamed up and fucked him royally in some kind of evolutionary war. why?
 
 
Mario
14:46 / 22.04.04
Bova was a cow evolved to human intelligence. That was basically the High Evolutionary's shtick. He took a bunch of animals, made them humanoid, and basically ruled over them on Mt. Wundagore (they had their own planet for a while, but that's a long story).

I think he last showed up in QUICKSILVER,
 
 
Metal_Jesus
20:40 / 22.04.04
The Marvel UK line

OK here's my guilty affair with Marvel, I loved the Marvel UK line: Death's Head I and II, Motormouth, Overkill.

1)What was the big crossover that had them all in where they go to the war planet and tag team and the planet feeds off their energy and the end is Julius (Overkill) rebuilding DHII but leaving out a whole box of parts?

2)What happened to all these guys or are they just in comic book limbo? I'm sure I spotted a couple in the big splash pages of the Kang/Immortus Avengers in time storyline thingy.
 
 
Mario
20:59 / 22.04.04
That's Battletide.

For the most part, everyone is in limbo, although Julius & Harley appeared in a memorable Hulk issue, and various UK characters have appeared in crowd scenes.
 
 
chairmanWOW
12:34 / 26.04.04
Been re-reading the old Secret Wars the other day and I noticed something that made me grunt. Why do the writers off at Marvel write Colosus as this lunk-head who, regardless of past or present relationships, keeps falling in love with the first piece of forgein ass that stumbles along. He's dating Kitty Pryde, he ends up in the Savage Land and dumbs her for some cave-girl in a lioncloth. Sorry Kitty, say goodbye to your emotions as they go flushing down the loo. Then he gets transported to some alien planet in the Secret Wars, what happens? Damn he starts pining for Zsaji, some random alien beaut, throwing Kitty up in the sniff again...

What's his problem? Someone should just punch his lights out! Oh, forgot his head is made out of metal...and he's dead. He is still dead, isn't he? If he is dead then that means Mrs. Rasputin has burried four children already...or she would have if she wasn' already dead.

Speaking of which, how many Guthrie kids are there? There's Sam (Cannonball) and Paige (Husk). Then there's Josh and that other big one (who could get big) but she was from the AOA. I have an issue of New Mutants, where Sam goes home and there are almost 13 little kids running around. Will they all become mutants, seeing as all the older ones have mutant powers?
 
 
tituba
13:02 / 26.04.04
Yes, yes, Colossus is such a MAN...but never mind that now, how many Marvel characters are omnipotent?
 
 
Mario
15:19 / 26.04.04
Cannonball has eight named siblings, two unnamed.

More details here.

Omnipotence is relative, but there are a lot of "cosmic-level" characters at Marvel, ranging from the supreme arbiter of reality, to a 5-year old with famous parents.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:04 / 26.04.04
Colossus had his head turned because the healing powers of this lady alien also generated some sort of weak empathic bond which was what Colossus mistook for love. The lunkhead.
 
 
grant
18:15 / 26.04.04
Yeah, a space pirate dating a humanoid skunk with really bad grammar.


Hepzibah.

She's a crossover from Pogo, sort of. Same name, same basic character.

Which, I think, means that Scott Summers' dad may well have died sometime before the Swamp Thing story "Pog," which used characters from the same strip... as space-faring aliens, far from home.

So. The DC/Marvel crossover you never expected, via Walt Kelly.
 
 
grant
18:18 / 26.04.04
Just for general edification, here's one of the strips featuring Mam'selle Hepzibah, courtesy of Movie Poop Shoot's Comics 101:

 
 
jephyork
21:04 / 26.04.04
There are only three Rasputin siblings -- not four. Mikhail, Piotr, and Illyana.

-Jeph!
 
 
tituba
05:12 / 28.04.04
Rogue doesn't know what her real name is, right? But why doesn'y Mystique know? She found Rogue shortly after she used her power for the first time, she should at that point still have known what her real name was. Wouldn't Mystique have remembered?
 
 
jephyork
05:30 / 28.04.04
Rogue knows her own real name. She almost told Gambit what it was in X-Men #24.

Where did you read that Mystique doesn't know it?

-Jeph!
 
 
tituba
12:39 / 28.04.04
There has always been this thing where Rogue mopes around the mansion because she can't remember who she was and because she couldn't remember anything about her past.

How would Rogue at the end of the day be able to differentiate between her own memories and the memories of the people she's touched? She couldn't know who she really was.

Mystique should technically know but if she knows then why hasn't she told Rogue?

I didn't read it anywhere, I'm assuming...
 
 
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12:49 / 28.04.04
The Marvel UK line [...]

2)What happened to all these guys or are they just in comic book limbo? I'm sure I spotted a couple in the big splash pages of the Kang/Immortus Avengers in time storyline thingy.


Yep, I was going to ask this, having once been well into the old Death's Head Marvel UK stuff.

So my question is: Whatever happened to Marvel UK? Was there ever any real continuity between all the Marvel UK characters, seeing as there seemed to be at least four different universes (e.g. Transformers, Doctor Who, Death Head v1 and associates, Death's Head v2 and associates etc.) or between the Marvel UK worlds and the mainstream Marvel universe? And are all these characters simple in limbo now?
 
 
Mario
15:30 / 28.04.04
So my question is: Whatever happened to Marvel UK?

The same thing that happened to Malibu, 2099, and the New Universe. Milked dry and abandoned.

Was there ever any real continuity between all the Marvel UK characters

By the era of Death's Head II, yes. Things were fairly consistent.

or between the Marvel UK worlds and the mainstream Marvel universe?

Not really. The mainstream characters basically guest-starred for increased sales, but events in the UK books were never reflected on this side of the pond.

And are all these characters simple in limbo now?

Yep.
 
 
Blacksword
18:36 / 28.04.04
One further complication is that titles like Dragons Claws and the first part of the first Death's Head series (the one with the real Death's Head - sorry but Minion aka Death's Head II, just wasn't Death's Head, though I don't hate him vehemently the way many other fans of the first Death's Head do) all took place in 8162. Does this 8162 future as well as the 2020 future that cropped up in later Death's Head stories (involving Ironman 2020) count in proper continuity? Another added complication is the presence of the Doctor (Doctor Who) every now and then in association with Death's Head. Now the Marvel universe and 616 especifically can't be teh same as the universe or group of realities teh Doctor inhabits, can it?

As to Marvel UK material affecting US titles, there was one case of that but it was in Marvel's Transformers comic, which has nothing to do with the main multiverse anyways (even though they threw Spidey in the black costume into issue three of Transformers to sucker a few more sales and then it was never spoken of again - don't bother looking it up as issues 1-4 of Transformers are some of the worst comics you'll ever read). And this only happened when Simon Furman the writer from nearly all of the original and greatly superior UK material (the Marvel UK Transformers comic was an amalgum of reprinted US material and new stories to account for the biweekly or weekly format of UK comics at the time) took over the US comic. But even when Furman took over, the US material was independent of the UK stories so as not to confuse US readers with 4 years of addional side material (and a lot of temporal madness as Furman wrote a lot of time travel stories).
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
20:23 / 28.04.04
So, Illyana's dead then? When did that happen? How'd she die?
 
 
Mario
20:35 / 28.04.04
During Inferno, she appeared to change history, reverting to her younger form, who later caught the Legacy Plot Device, and died.

That is, unless you believe that she actually replaced herself with an alternate (and younger) version, and is still out there, somewhere.
 
 
flufeemunk effluvia
21:38 / 28.04.04
Whats with flash thompson as spiderman's sidekick in some of the older stuff? Is that the same flash thompson who was a bully turned basketball coach?

Am I just crazy?
 
 
Warewullf
21:57 / 28.04.04
Illyana's death was one of the best issues of Uncanny I've ever read. Jubilee breaking down in Jean's arms, Peter not being there when she died and having to call his parents. Excellent stuff.
 
 
The Falcon
22:25 / 28.04.04
I must support that verdict. Heartbreaking comic.

Certainly to a 15 year old, anyway.
 
 
Mario
23:00 / 28.04.04
Flufee:

Flash Thompson grew up.
 
 
jephyork
03:46 / 29.04.04
Mario:

I believe that Illyana's still out there. Didn't we see her hand in the last panel of X-Men Unlimited #19?

Doll_common:

I can't recall a single issue where Rogue was moping around "because she couldn't remember who she was" ... she was always moping because she *couldn't control her powers*. Sure, there are other folks' memories running through her head, and sure sometime they'll confuse her, but -- as far as I know, she remembers her own past just fine.

The upcoming "Rogue" series by Rob Rodi promises to reveal her real name and the situation that led up to her running away from home. Stay tuned...

-Jeph!
who actually can remember, off the top of his head, which goddamn issue number of which goddamn X-spinoff showed a mysterious Illyana-like hand in one goddamn panel. I need counseling.
 
 
Mario
11:19 / 29.04.04
Jeph:

I've read the plot to that scene, and the writer (Ben Raab) was suitably vague about it:

PAGE 39:
-- And as the RIFT closes, like a wormhole swallowing the Midnight Runner…
-- …we PAN DOWN to the desolate Limbo plain, where we see the ground is beginning to rumble and rise…
-- …and that what appears to be a shiny silver spike is literally growing up out of it, glowing brighter than the brightest sun! And as it continues to rise, we discover that this metal object sn't really a spike at all, but rather…
-- …the SOULSWORD, rising in what seems to be a young girl's hand encased in skin tight silver armor! Hmnn…I wonder who THAT might be…? Wink! Wink!


As the *cough* new Magik has the Soulsword now, you can add that to the "Abandoned plots" list.

(Oh, and for the record, I can outgeek you on Magik...I'm the guy who created [with some help] the Two SoulSword Theory )
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
14:27 / 29.04.04
the new Magik?
 
 
Aertho
14:59 / 29.04.04
Seeing as how time travel is implemented on a casual basis with Illyana, there's an infinite potential Soulswords out there / in there / in potencia...

Shouldn't there be a serious Billy Pilgrim-esque result with time-traveling characters? I mean, The Phoenix Consciousness SHOULD have bumped 'Yana off years ago with all the grabage she pulled. Unless it "was all meant to be".

Care to share that two SoulSword theory just for kicks?
 
 
Mario
15:19 / 29.04.04
Oh sure. Just remember that I was younger then

The Two Soulsword Theory
 
 
tituba
07:00 / 30.04.04
Sorry to keep going on about this Rogue thing but it's all sort of coming from leftfield. I thought Rogue was this confused young woman who had been traumatized and exploited all her life. She's always been portrayed as this "Woman of Mystery"; from the day, she arrived on the scene. I thought because of her having all these random memories lodged in her consciousness she wouldn't be able to recall any past memories, that she wouldn't be able to differentiate between which ones belonged to her and which ones were Miss Marvels and those she had come into contact with. This was cemented by the fact that she's always just been known as Rogue and nothing else. If she knew her true identity, I doubt she'd insist on making such a production out of not talking about it. I mean, wasn't there this thing where she didn't remember where she got her super-strength and flight and then she started having Miss Marvel day-mares.

What I'm getting at (crazy theory alert) is that I think Xavier took Rogue and rebuilt her from scratch. He broke the person she was apart, a person that I think may not have been as innocent as she believes, and he remade her into his own distorted vision of what a benevolent mutant idealist is meant to be. He achieved this by using the spare parts he found in her head, those spare parts being the huge chunks of Miss Marvel she had absorbed. He used Ms. Marvel's character, personality, ext as the template for the New Rogue. She used to be a girl who robbed banks and attacked Avengers, now she would be her own exact opposite. She had been so corrupted by Mystique and her abusive (assuming) step-father, she had no proper "upbringing" and moral or ethical framework to guide her, that Xavier jumped at the chance to make her think like Carol Danvers. With his modification she would think and act like Miss Marvel, thus making her a hero and perfect X-Men material.

He's a mutant who can reshape and rebuild minds as easily as Magneto can an ocean liners and she was a girl whose mind was in serious need of an over-haul. Xavier sees himself as this god-archetype Dr Frankenstein. Wouldn't he also want to play god with a monster of his own? Is this not the curse of all power-mad madmen? (Closest similarity I know of is when Ultron used Simon Williams brain structure/psychometric to create the Visions mind. This caused Vision to think in the same way as Wonder Man would. He even fell in love with the same woman (Wanda) that Simon had a thing for. This is also why he started out as a villain and became a hero, just like Wonder Man. It was like two identical minds running in two different bodies.)

Please don't attack me because of my questions. I'm an honest to Godness Rogue fan. I've loved her for reasons that seem to have been wrong. I loved her because she was the one, truly dysfunctional X-Man. She was a woman who didn't know where she was from and she didn't know where she was going. She was the ultimate walking contradiction; a woman powerful enough to punch a hole through solid steal but yet she's powerless to take control of her own life and her own fate. If this is not who she is and that the only reason for her sometime brooding nature is because she can't get layed, then I'm horribly disappointed.

If Illyana is still alive then I'm ecstatic. She was really one of my favorites for the longest time. What was the deal with that whole Darkchylde thing? When she was first introduced, was she rocking that one arm armor, sword in hand ensemble? What was her gift apart from opening rifts and teleporting through them?

I have a question about Ms. Marvel and Phoenix. Is it true that the Phoenix Saga was originally going to be an Avengers arc but got transferred to the X-Men? Miss Marvel was going to get Phoenixed but the big wigs thought she wasn't popular enough. I thought that this was bullshit but then I saw the two images of Ms. Marvel and Phoenix next to each other and I started wondering. Ms.Marvel's costume looks exactly like the Phoenix uniform, except for the colors (but the outfit is green and gold only because that's Jean Grey's trademark colors). Ms. Marvel used to be an astronaut or a jet pilot or whatever so the storyline would have fitted her better then Jean's impromptu spaceship piloting and the X-Men sudden space rescue.
 
 
chairmanWOW
08:20 / 30.04.04
I stopped ready the X-Men at the start of "The Twelve" thing and got back into it with "E is for Extinction". In between Scott had died and was returned for Grant Morrisson's run. How did he get resurrected? What happened?
 
 
chairmanWOW
08:21 / 30.04.04
ready or reading, whatever...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:52 / 30.04.04
Illyana was basically Christ Claremont's favourite idea about power corrupting. Just as the two dozen people who called themselves Phoenix, from the alternate future daughter to the waiter who once served Jean Grey coffee, might turn out to really be Phoenix and then Dark Phoenix and then destroy the universe, so Illyana had these dark sorcery powers which had the risk that they might turn her evil. And eventually they did. With some help. And Xavier had his dark side (him in a cloak basically) too.
 
 
Mario
13:38 / 30.04.04
What was the deal with that whole Darkchylde thing? When she was first introduced, was she rocking that one arm armor, sword in hand ensemble? What was her gift apart from opening rifts and teleporting through them?


The file I linked to covers that, but in short:

The Darkchild was the part of her soul that had been corrupted by Belasco's magic, symbolized by the bloodgems in the Beatrice Medallion. Her actual mutation is apparently teleportation...all her other powers were learned, not innate.

I have a question about Ms. Marvel and Phoenix. Is it true that the Phoenix Saga was originally going to be an Avengers arc but got transferred to the X-Men?

Nope. Phoenix first appeared in October of 1976. Ms. Marvel didn't get her own title until January of the next year, and didn't wear the costume with a sash until issue #20.

Oh, and just FYI, Jean's costume was originally supposed to be _white_ and gold, but the editors thought the colors would bleed through on the other side.

With regards to Rogue...she must know her past...she's visited the poor shlub she put into a coma when her powers first developed.
 
 
jephyork
18:48 / 30.04.04
Rogue absolutely knows her own past. I've never once read an issue where she couldn't remember her past. (And, not to be a fatbeard, but I've read 'em all.)

Here's what you might be thinking of, doll_common:

In UXM #181, she develops a split personality -- between her mind and a copy of Carol Danvers' (because, way back when, she basically absorbed *all* of Ms. Marvel's mind.) In #181 she is confused and remembers Carol's past as her own, but fairly quickly her mind solidifies into two different and separate personas. This split personality comes and goes between UXM #181-247, and is excised in #269.

But that's the full extent of Rogue's mental problems. There've been many times where she's talked about her childhood with Mystique -- she doesn't have any trouble remembering. And she knows her name -- like I said, she offers to tell it to Gambit in X-Men #24.

-Jeph!
 
 
Triplets
00:33 / 01.05.04
Well, why hasn't she shared it before, for crypto's sake?
 
  

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