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19:21 / 15.04.08

So, is the Red Hot Room coming out of scott's eyes? That'd be dope.

22:41 / 15.04.08

no

23:15 / 15.04.08

They can blast through solid steel, but are stopped by his eyelids.

Isn't he immune to his own powers, and the powers of anybody he's a blood relative of, ie Alex?

23:34 / 15.04.08

All powers are psychic. That's how they get around physics and chemistry and logic and stuff. There was some guy back in the day who used to post explanations of Spidey's massive psychic powers (imitates spider-powers, enforces retcons, and lies in his own thought balloons) across the internets.

All superpowers are psychic in nature, and all psychic superpowers are powered by fictionality.

Ask yourself why Grant Morrison never talked about making the MU conscious and self-aware. Uatu is the Marvel Universe! ZOMG!

So, anyways, did anyone ever make sense out of the Fantastic Four in the Ultimate MU? The Reed Richards Science Center and being more popular than The Ultimates when the The Ultimates went public, but not actually existing as a team or being public or powered yet at the time... all that good stuff.

Spyder Todd 2008

00:53 / 16.04.08

No.

But supposedly all will be revealed in this summer's Ultimate Marvel Crossover EVENT (tm).

Because that is clearly what the universe means.

Essential Dazzler

21:42 / 21.05.08

This:
Captain Britain Weekly, #1-39
Super Spider-Man and Captain Britain, #231-253
Hulk Weekly, #1-63
Marvel Superheroes, #377-388
The Daredevils, #1-11
The Mighty World Of Marvel, volume 2, #7-16
Captain Britain Monthly, #1-14
Knights of Pendragon, volume one, #1-18
Excalibur: The Sword is Drawn
Excalibur, Vol. 1, #1-125
o Excalibur: Mojo Mayhem
o Excalibur: Weird War III
o Excalibur: The Possession
o Excalibur: Air Apparent
o Excalibur Annual, #1-2
o Excalibur #-1
Excalibur Vol. 2 #1-4
Marvel Team-Up, #65-66
New Excalibur, #1-24 (November 2005 - 2007)
New Mutants, annual #2
X-Men: Die by the Sword, #1-5 (2007)

is wikipedia's list of Captain Britain Comics.

2 questions, is there anything important missing there? Is that roughly the right read order?

Dan Fish - @Fish1k

06:34 / 22.05.08

I'd go:

Captain Britain Weekly, #1-39
Super Spider-Man and Captain Britain, #231-253
Marvel Team-Up, #65-66
Hulk Weekly, #1-63
Marvel Superheroes, #377-388
The Daredevils, #1-11
The Mighty World Of Marvel, volume 2, #7-16
Captain Britain Monthly, #1-14
New Mutants, annual #2
Uncanny X-Men Annual #11
Excalibur: The Sword is Drawn
Excalibur, Vol. 1, #1-125 ; Knights of Pendragon, volume one, #1-18
o Excalibur: Mojo Mayhem
o Excalibur: Weird War III
o Excalibur: The Possession
o Excalibur: Air Apparent
o Excalibur Annual, #1-2
o Excalibur #-1
Excalibur Vol. 2 #1-4
New Excalibur, #1-24 (November 2005 - 2007)
X-Men: Die by the Sword, #1-5 (2007)

They missed out Uncanny X-Men annual 11 by Claremont/Davis.

KoP happens during the Excalibur run.

There were a few additional guest appearances, but nothing you probably need hunt down.

No Cap, but if you're reading all that Excalibur, you might also want X-Men: True Friends (1999) #1-3.

There have been a few X-Men appearances in recent years - Around the 450 mark I think, preceded by appearances from The Fury. A few appearances by the Captain Britain Corps in Fantastic Four too. and maybe some stuff in Avengers when Lionheart was introduced, not sure I'd recommend that though!!!

19:29 / 03.06.08

OK, so, Cyclops and Madeline Pryor. They meet, get married, have a kid. Jean comes back to life, and Scott just up and leaves Madeline and the kid for her. Do I have that sequence of events right (I've read as far as Essential #4, but pretty much drop off one Paul Smith leaves)? And, more importantly, was there any attempt in the comics then to address what a titanic dick move that is? I know there's sort of a "she's really a villain" justification, but that smells retconny to me.

19:50 / 03.06.08

It's not _quite_ as dickish as that.

Yes, he did abandon his wife & child, but they were already having problems. Before he even knew for certain Jean was really alive, she was saying things like "if you walk out that door, don't bother coming back".

Quite honestly, Jean didn't come between them... the X-Men did.

16:23 / 05.06.08

I think that's how they retconned it, but in X-Factor #1, it's pretty much they call and say that Jean's alive, then Scott walks out. Yes, there's a setup where he thinks about how the X-Men might need him, but there, the X-Men are basically equated with his memory of Jean. In retrospect, they made it so Maddy was messing with him and trying to pull him away from the X-Men, but that's just a way to make her a villain in Inferno.

In actuality, she joins up with the X-Men, and essentially forgives Scott for what he did, even though it still pains her. One of my favorite moments in the whole Claremont run is in Fall of the Mutants, when Maddy is about to walk in to her death, and she says she still loves Scott and their son, even after what he did to her.

16:26 / 05.06.08

And, in response to the original question, there is an attempt to address it. Once Louise Simonson starts writing X-Factor, she makes it clear that Scott did a really bad thing. He goes back to Alaska seeking Maddy, but their house has been destroyed and there's no sign of her. He goes through a weird dream sequence exploring his guilt, but basically there's nothing he can do. He thinks that she ran off somewhere and disconnected the phone because she never wants to see him again. In actuality, she was attacked and had her identity stolen by Mister Sinister, but that's another story.

08:09 / 06.06.08

All my breakups go that way.

Rachel Evil McCall

02:12 / 28.06.08

A while back, I heard that Marvel was crossing over with the soap opera Guiding Light. Did anything eer come of that?

12:55 / 28.06.08

The Guiding Light thing was a 4-page or so insert in the middle of a few B-level Marvel titles for one or two weeks of Marvel's releases, wherein one of the characters on the soap became a superhero for one brief shining moment. That plot was somehow reflected in the TV show itself for a few days, maybe a week, from what I read. It seemed pretty silly and sub-standard quality to me, even given that it's a soap opera and all. I suppose it was just good PR for Marvel (reaching a segment of the population who probably never reads comic books) for the 5 minutes it lasted (this was about 5 months ago, if I recall correctly).

19:22 / 30.06.08

Actually, I wonder - when I was in high school, I remember a lot of girl classmates watching soaps as soon as they got home, or even setting the VCR timers to catch 'em.

And with Heroes and Smallville being basically night-time soaps, I imagine there's a growing chunk of overlap between "kids" who buy comics and "grown-ups" who watch soaps.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

20:28 / 15.07.08

What the fuck is the point of The Sentry? Having Superman-strength level superheroes in the Marvel Universe is a bit of an odd departure and now he's there no-one seems to know what to do with him, because he's stronger than anyone else. Now, granted, I don't read all the comics, but in the major events of the last few years the one thing they have in common is that practically the first thing they do is contrive to take him off the board (Civil War, World War Hulk and now Secret Invasion), so what's the attraction to keeping him alive? Shouldn't the fact that you've got the one character who could end the Secret Invasion in about ten minutes be a sign to Marvel that they've made a mistake here?

20:35 / 15.07.08

How long has The Sentry been around? I don't think I've ever heard of him.

ONLY NICE THINGS

21:58 / 15.07.08

Two answers - one publishing, one continuity. In publishing terms ,the first Sentry miniseries came out in 2000, written by Paul Jenkins. The hook was that the Sentry was an abandoned Stan Lee character - this was a lie - and the series revealed that the Sentry had been active throughout the Silver Age, but for reasons too tedious to go into everyone had forgotten about him. So, in continuity terms he has been around from the Fantastic Four onwards, or thereabouts, but people don't know he existed.

11:50 / 16.07.08

so he wasn't really stan the mans superman knock off?

just someone else's. agree he is really unsuited to the MU, i like there being no superman there and the three biggest hitters being the hulk, thor and the silver surfer* - all fairly oddball characters who are either actively disliked or smirked at behind their backs.

*and pheonix when she is alive

12:12 / 16.07.08

A nice point with the Sentry, though, before everyone forgot about him, he had made life better for Hulk (calm, no rage-inspiring perpetual pain), Peter Parker (who scored a Pulitzer with a photo of him), and Reed Richards (a friend he hung out with, rather than just went adventuring with - which is kinda a sad commentary on Ben Grimm), among others. He un-Marvelized the social lives and emotional context of the MU.

Well, I liked it. Mostly because, of course, it was never going to be any kind of status quo.

13:13 / 16.07.08

Hyperion was the original MU superman knock-off wasn't he?

13:43 / 16.07.08

Depends on how you feel about Thor.

But yes, the original, villainous Hyperion first appeared in 1969

14:36 / 16.07.08

and something to bear in mind when considering the Sentry is that, although an omega-level meta, he has his weaknesses which serve to undermine the general unstoppableness; agorophobia, paranoia I think and maybe a grab-bag of other psychological troubles.

As it goes, I'm no fan of the Sentry in particular but there's always mileage to be had in exploring puny human reaction to even the most outwardly benevolent superbeings; it's an opportunity to riff on human paranoia, fear, intolerance and belligerance. Not an original theme, admittedly - see Civil War, any Hulk origin, The Day The Earth Stood Still and so on - but a worthy enough staple of comics and indeed, sci-fi more generally.

05:49 / 04.08.08

Has there been any stitching together of the White Hot Room concept from New X-Men and the White Room of Quasar? In the midst of all the Xornanity of the past few years?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

05:53 / 04.08.08

Sadly, I suspect everybody forgot the events of QUASAR even happened. Except me. Which sucks.

09:45 / 04.08.08

Well, the bands are in Guardians of the Galaxy now, and Abnett is pretty good at digging up old continuity, so the White Room could show up at some point....

04:17 / 18.08.08

I don't know if this is strictly a surgery question... I was thinking about Cable. Nathan Summers. Although his character is a bit of a tragic relic of the pouches, bionics and vague-powers school, I'm intrigued to see what clever stuff have been done with him. His set up as sole saviour of existence always seemed like it might have mileage, despite the fairly wack stuff surrounding it.

My question, basically; what's good Cable, if such a thing exists?

09:02 / 18.08.08

The Cable and Deadpool series is solid gold IMHO.

Cable and Deadpool, in circumstances too ludicrous to summarize are forced to work together, as Cable starts working on actually changing his future.
It wasnt genre changing, but it balanced fun with cool, and it was some damn good stuff.

rabideyemovement

21:03 / 05.03.09

I really enjoyed the series. I was heartbroken when they were finally seperated. The tethered bodysliding was always a good gag.

I have a question. Aren't Wolverine's teeth adamantium coated as well?
I know Sabretooth's were, as well as his fingernails.

13:45 / 06.03.09

Yes they are (I seem to recall some explain-o-matic balls about them being coated by a durable ceramic that mimics natural tooth colour).

Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo

05:19 / 12.03.09

My question, basically; what's good Cable, if such a thing exists?

I liked the run Ladronn, James Robinson and Joe Casey had in the mid 90s:

#48 - 51, 53 - 55, 58 - 62, 64 - 70

21:33 / 26.04.09

Does anyone know when Wolverine's healing factor was first mentioned/created? I've been reading some 70s/80s X-Men, and haven't come to any mention of it yet. I feel like it must be in the early Claremont era somewhere, but I can't remember exactly when.

Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo

04:41 / 27.04.09

The healing power was part of his first appearance, as the Hulk could smack him around and he would bounce back. Claremont made it stronger and stronger until it basically became "as long as there is a fingernail left he can heal".

11:25 / 28.04.09

Wasnt that quote to do with the X-Men annual where they had to recover a crystal . I think it only applies if theres sufficent "energy" to recreate him. Wonder how much the bugger eats every day

22:40 / 28.04.09

The annual saw a crystal grant ultimate power to desire or something - and saw a blood splatter from the massacred Wolverine hit it, his desire being to live and save the lives of his fellow X-Men, so he defeats an alien/super monster/demon or something, and there you go.

There was talk of him needing to be decapitated and the head separated from the body for some time to stop him from not dying, but I can't remember where that was from.

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