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Urgh! Fuck!: A thread for untamed hate and anger [PICS]

  
  

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Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:05 / 20.08.07
GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH!

"[Raven] Kaldera posted pics on his site of tortures that he performed on people. They were either homeless or mentally handicapped individuals. It has been awhile and I can't remember which. I could not believe that anyone would do these things to anyone and looked at the site myself to see if it was true. Sadly it was."

Except it bloody well ISN'T, is it? You made it up, you horrible, horrible lying fuckwit. The usual hackneyed denunciations for sexual deviancy and Worshipping the Enemies of the Gods(TM) weren't enough for you--you had to throw in some completely imaginary torture, secure in the knowledge that the object of your libel can't afford to do you for it.

PS: Tossing completely unfounded Wiccatru allegations at another author you don't like earns you bonus HATE.
 
 
Spaniel
14:50 / 20.08.07
That's pretty shitty, xk.

Nix, I feel your pain. I work for an organisation that relies on IT support from 2 universities. These people have no fucking idea about customer service. No idea at all.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:55 / 20.08.07
I'm not XK, I'm MC. And I would have got away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids.
 
 
Ticker
15:07 / 20.08.07
This be my ficsuit with combo smell-o-vision and what a small boy called my 'stamps'.
I'm stamped all over!
 
 
nixwilliams
09:09 / 21.08.07
These people have no fucking idea about customer service

dude. tell me about it. and while i know it's the same for everyone, i was starting to feel he was getting annoyed with me for being a weird tranny who was making life hard for all the normal people and their normal information systems by asking for weird tranny exemptions. and then he had the front to hit me with the standard "this issue has been satisfactorily resolved" email. um, no, it really hasn't.

as for the raven kaldera stuff: WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?

i think i need to go and look at photos of cute kittens for an hour or two.
 
 
Spaniel
09:25 / 21.08.07
Ooops, sorry for the mix up, guys.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:30 / 21.08.07
Well the list mod deleted the offending post and closed the discussion. The rest of the list seems pretty reasonable otherwise.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:04 / 21.08.07
So this is a while ago but Death now must come to Bono
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:18 / 21.08.07
What? Git.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
15:06 / 21.08.07
U2's Bono, well recognized for his campaigns to reduce poverty and treat AIDS in Africa is backing a videogame which promotes the invasion and destruction of Venezuela in order to check "a power hungry tyrant" who has "seized control of Venezuela and her oil supply." Bono has failed to respond to concerns raised by the Venezuelan Solidarity Network about his funding of this project.

"Mercenaries 2: World in Flames," created by Los Angeles based Pandemic/Bioware Studios, simulates a mercenary invasion of Venezuela in the year 2007. Pandemic is a subcontractor for the US Army and CIA funded Institute for Creative Technologies, which uses Hollywood techniques to mount war simulations in California's high desert in order to conduct military training. "Mercenaries 2: World in Flames" simulates destruction in downtown Caracas, and promises to leave no part of Venezuela untouched.

Elevation Partners is an investment firm that Bono helped create in order to exploit marketing opportunities between U2 and its fans, including projects from Pandemic/Bioware Studios. Pandemic states that as a partner in Elevation Partners, Bono "has visibility into all projects at Pandemic and Bioware."

Pandemic's target market is young men of military recruitment age and indeed this is not Pandemic's first military adventure. MSNBC reported that the videogame “’Full Spectrum Warrior’ was created through the Institute for Creative Technologies in Marina Del Rey, Calif., a $45 million endeavor formed by the Army five years ago to connect academics with local entertainment and video game industries. The institute subcontracted work to Los Angeles based Pandemic Studios." (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3131181#storyContinued)

One cannot escape the irony that today, July 5, Venezuela celebrates its independence -- just one day after the US celebrated its own. The most enduring aspect of an independent country is assertion of its sovereignty and demand that the world recognize international laws protecting that sovereignty. Yet, amid relentless US threats against Venezuela, a US-based company, Pandemic, which collaborates with the US Army to promote war, plans to market a videogame which advocates a most violent violation of Venezuela’s sovereignty.

Yeah! I'm saving the world! You two! Yeah! My guitarist is called the Edge! It's a bobby dazzler ...

Get fucked.
 
 
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00:10 / 22.08.07
Off to see the 3rd Bourne film tomorrow, and I just found out that it's the same fucking director as the 2nd, so MORE SHAKY BASTARD CAM.

I hope he does it better than the last one.

*shakes fist*
 
 
Spaniel
08:00 / 22.08.07
Have you seen United 93? He does well in that'n
 
 
Krug
08:24 / 22.08.07
"Old" news but I thought I'd share anyway...

Obama wants to show everyone that he's got big balls by invading another country.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:43 / 22.08.07
Obama's politics and policies are pretty much as you'd expect from a candidate who's one of generally agreed three possibilities for the Democratic Party nomination. The idea that he's anything else is annoying, it's true.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:44 / 22.08.07
lol at what Te finds worthy of anger. Maybe if there's another Bourne film it could be shot in BULLET TIME, eh?
 
 
Mistoffelees
09:47 / 22.08.07
Or in Dogma style?
 
 
Pingle!Pop
10:30 / 22.08.07
Petey, I'm not quite sure what you mean. Do you mean the idea that Obama should be expected to be something better than your average Democratic presidential nominee is annoying? Or the idea that he *is* something much better, despite the evidence to the contrary?

Either way, I don't think it's too unreasonable to be rather argh about the foreign policy positions of any of the Democratic nominees. While I can't say any of the frontrunners' policies are exactly surprising, they're also much further right than is necessary to maintain an image of being "centrist" and "tough on terror" in the eyes of the American public.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:36 / 22.08.07
Or the idea that he *is* something much better, despite the evidence to the contrary?

Bingo - and I'm not refering to your post so much as to the opinions of friends of friends in the US, and media coverage (which has been arguably even more misleading in the UK).

I think talking about "the American public" is slightly misleading, though. On the one hand, there's more than one: the North/South, urban/rural divide should never be underestimated, for starters. But on the other hand, perhaps more importantly and certainly more importantly where Obama is concerned, the Democratic Party is at least as influenced by lobbyists and fundraisers as it is by the American public.
 
 
Krug
11:10 / 22.08.07
I'm glad you said what I thought you said but I wasn't sure either.

But on the other hand, perhaps more importantly and certainly more importantly where Obama is concerned, the Democratic Party is at least as influenced by lobbyists and fundraisers as it is by the American public.


It is, but most of the American public (or the voting American public) starts from the centre, moves to the right and keeps moving until the nationalist, religious gibberish gets louder and louder and...

I think there is this idea in the states that Democrats are actually "liberal." Even those of us who know better can't help but get really bothered when we hear something of this nature. I swear I hear one more self-righteous centrist moan about George Bush...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:43 / 22.08.07
I think it's a little more complicated than that. I'm no fan of people who self-identify as centrists, but the fact remains that as many commentators have noted, there has been something iconoclastic about the Bush administration. While their values may be called 'conservative', in fact they represent an extreme right-wing which has never had quite the same amount of power before. There are a number of huge domestic issues on which what that side of the Republican party has done and wants to do is incredibly fucking scary for the average working American, and I can't fault them for wanting to avert that by any means necessary. Hell, in terms of foreign policy, while I wish people paid more attention to Obama et al's policies on Israel, Giuliani doesn't even pay lip service to the idea that the Palestinians should have a state, which is kind of terrifying even as a new rhetorical position. It's possible to think both that the Democrats are hugely flawed etc etc and also to acknowledge the differences, and why it would be a good thing for the next US President to be either Clinton, Obama or Edwards (sadly it ain't going to be Gravel).

It would be good to talk about this some more in the Switchboard.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
12:07 / 22.08.07
sadly it ain't going to be Gravel

Just a side note, but I take back what I said about Gravel being the only apparent leftie in the contest in the short-lived Gravel thread in Switchboard. He may have a not-horrible foreign policy, and from what I've read be pretty good on social issues, but he also wants flat-rate tax. Which is a bit, er, wtf?

By the way, Petey, I think you're confusing me and Laughter upthread.
 
 
Krug
12:08 / 22.08.07
Petey mate, I think you do a reasonable job of making that argument (oh anything's better than george bush at this point!) compelling. And I think I understand the appeal of the argument. But the kind of ethical compromises one has to make to vote Democrat are not something I'd like to have, at least on my conscience. Do I blame people for making those decisions? On one hand I understand the desperation of people and the most compelling reason would be the possibility of health care for the uninsured in america. That would certainly be a good thing. Even if Democrats haven't admitted that they're shit out of ideas considering Iraq and cannot fix this administration's mess.

However, does desperation waive being complicit in the moral guilt of such a government whose positions on the military, Israel and foreign policy in general are nothing short of repugnant?

I think not.

Incidentally, what do you think of the idea that Nader was at least partially responsible for costing Gore the '04 election?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:12 / 22.08.07
I think not standing in '04 may have had more to do with Gore's lack of success.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:28 / 22.08.07
More seriously, I'm not sure voting for the lesser of two evils makes one "complicit in the moral guilt" of the policies of the government of one's nation state. In the sense that I don't think doing otherwise somehow frees one from that complicity - it's not the deciding factor.

I always tend to agree with what Chomsky has said on this, which is that if voting for the slightly better party will make things slightly less bad, and if it is one of the things which you can do and does not detract from other things you can do to try and make things better, then there is no reason not to do it. At the moment I'm a resident of the UK, so we have a very different scenario: the main oppositon party is still worse than the party in power, although there is the possibility of a third party, still highly flawed, becoming the main opposition party instead. If I was a US citizen, I'd have to think a little less abstractly about the US political situation.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:32 / 22.08.07
PS apologies for confusion, I read Either way, I don't think it's too unreasonable to be rather argh about... as "Either way, I don't think it's too unreasonable (for me) to be rather argh about..."
 
 
Krug
12:48 / 22.08.07
Sorry I meant 2000.

I'll humbly disagree about being complicit in the moral guilt. I think it's quite fair to hold people responsible for what the people they vote for are expected to do, will do. I can see why you disagree there though.
 
 
jentacular dreams
13:28 / 22.08.07
But, if you'll allow me to posit a logical extreme, as one cannot expect to agree fully with every decision another person takes, doesn't that mean that under that viewpoint the optimum choice is for everyone to vote for themselves (or not to vote at all)?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:34 / 22.08.07
I don't think that's a particularly logical extreme.

Switchboard, Head Shop - they need this kind of discussion.
 
 
Krug
13:47 / 22.08.07
Maybe I've been away from message boards too long, but are you joking? Or are you convinced that that is a coherent, useful "thought experiment" which is analogous to real world voting dilemmas?
 
 
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17:02 / 22.08.07
lol at what Te finds worthy of anger. Maybe if there's another Bourne film it could be shot in BULLET TIME, eh?

Or maybe FUCKWIT TIME, directed by you, that could be interesting.
 
 
jentacular dreams
18:31 / 22.08.07
Not joking, but not 100% deadly serious either. It's the question of whether one can work for good within a two party system. What I'm saying is that whilst I disagree with most politicians at some point (and often question to what extent the venn diagram of those who seek political power crosses over with those who actually deserve it), in a practical situation I'd probably opt for Chomsky's lesser of two evils rather than an unfeasable third/neither (depending on how real a concern it was that the worse leader/party got into power).

Obviously, to paraphrase end expound on some of Petey's post upthread, the bigger the vote-gap between a first and second party, the more potential voting for a third will have to open up the political landscape for future elections.
 
 
jentacular dreams
18:32 / 22.08.07
But perhaps this isn't the right thread for this kind of thing.
 
 
Gendudehashadenough
20:46 / 22.08.07
Why should they care? Yea, it's only a few minutes out of their lives to watch the train pull up to the crossroads and watch the engineer pretend not to see that the switchtracks have been pushed to the opposite direction, where an additional oncoming train, equally oblivious to the above circumstances has not one fucking clue as to why the switch track was fucking flipped in the first place....

Well, it was flipped because too many fucks wanted to go 'round fucking with people tunnels, lives, routines, habits, throwing theirs tones (with their shitty aim) however the fuck you describe it; if you are going to shock someone you better be damn ready and fucking prepared for the reaction you perceive and be ready to deal with that shit yourself without shocking anyone as result a third parties iniation of antagonism.

Unfortunately, most people knee jaerk a reaction to let the arms flail and and release what ever happens to be in their hand at the time, which is why so much PUNCHKIng fruit hits the lever that switch those tracks, in inadvertant preparation for oncomming trains. Watch the trajectory of your fruit, instead of a pie-hole your aimin' for. Right? Being recruited just plain sucks; I know have a slighted more concrete notion of how those gamers in Iraq feel.

(Disclaimer: this is NOT directed towards you, people in Barbelith Conversation/Urgh!)
 
 
Gendudehashadenough
20:55 / 22.08.07
b4 the paties twist i'd like to say that I just went a bit overboard and no ONE metaphor, or extension thereof, however badly expressed, should be taken as a slight or intentional demeaning of ANYONE except maybe the MASS MEDIA

However, badly the previous thoughts where just expressed and whatever one may read into them, please, do not think i
want to make anybody uncomfortable or to characterize an entire person's behavior pattern based on a singular trend that was interpreted as being too intense and, to which I arguably reacted poorly to.
 
 
COG
21:22 / 22.08.07
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but you seem angry so you´re in the right place.
 
  

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