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Urgh! Fuck!: A thread for untamed hate and anger [PICS]

 
  

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All Acting Regiment
12:24 / 03.07.07
I'm building a boat
So I can go somewhere people like this man aren't
And gloat
And possibly shoot
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:41 / 03.07.07
No doubt. The Bishop gotta go, man. Carlise, he need to get got.
 
 
jentacular dreams
13:35 / 03.07.07
Bah. Whilst obviously lacking in general logic, is that kind of position even theologically sound?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:36 / 03.07.07


"Theologically Sound"
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:37 / 03.07.07


"Got me stick"
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:38 / 03.07.07


"Justice? Who's Justice? I like Dream Theater"
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:38 / 03.07.07


"I'm sucking a murray mint in anticipation of all the spinsters cycling to church this sunday"
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:39 / 03.07.07


BIGOTRY.

SERIOUS BUSINESS.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:48 / 03.07.07


"I can has a morals?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:48 / 03.07.07


"Hare, Hare, I stole Pertwee's cossy
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:52 / 03.07.07
From that article:

He expressed his sympathy for those who have been hit by the weather, but said that the problem with "environmental judgment is that it is indiscriminate".

What's that Bish? God not all-powerful enough to selectively target the naughty-ones?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:57 / 03.07.07
YO, BISH!

*Britain has floods every year, and had them even before homosexuality and gay marriage was legalised.

*Gay marriage doesn't affect straight marriage at all.

*Storms don't really give a shit about you, what you worship, or where you put your wang.

*Imagine the reaction if a prominent gay person said that, as far as people-destroying disasters go, christianity is kind of to blame for AIDS...
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
15:35 / 03.07.07
The words 'fucking', 'shit-head' and 'scum-bag' spring somehow to mind.

On a different note today at work some of my team happened to be looking at the local papers, and one of them noticed a story about an eighteen year old girl being sexually assaulted walking home alone at 3am. And of course the comment they chose to make was to criticise the girls actions in this matter, nd everyone else seemed to agree.

This set me to screaming how one's opinion of the wisdom of her choice was ir-FUCKING-relevent, and that to go on about how one felt she'd made a foolish decision was very clearly shifting some portion of the blame to her.

Even after my screamy session everyone else who voiced an opinion, whilst claiming to entirely blame the bastards who actually assaulted her still insisted on talking bollocks about how she shouldn't have been walking home in the small hours alone. I think I might have done a little sick inside my head at that point.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
15:58 / 03.07.07
Although, to be fair, it's kinda stupid to do that whatever sex you are, unless you are the size of a large pony or small house.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
16:02 / 03.07.07
Possibly - but most of us have done it, especially whilst aged 18. And I find it hard to believe these people would have been saying the same had it happened to a man. In fact the main initiator of the comments is well known to walk home alone past mid-night on a regular basis.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
16:03 / 03.07.07
Ok Whisky, if you get assaulted while you're walking on your own at 3am I will remember to remind you it was your fault.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
16:14 / 03.07.07
Also I'd add that while it's probably not a horrible idea to try to persuade friends and associates that walking home alone at 3am prior to them doing so might not be the best idea ever, since one might actually be doing them a favour in doing so, pointing out that it was a bad move after they've done so, and something unpleasant has happened takes a very different character, in my opinion, since there's no posibility or intention of helping at that point.
 
 
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10:51 / 09.07.07
Gah! Great, make me look a total twat by running my preview of Richard Littlejohn's show, which includes the criticism that he writes for papers that pander to the BNP by screaming about immigrants, with a front page about.... "terrorist immigrants". Thanks a fucking bunch.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:41 / 09.07.07
Sorry for lateness.

"I'm the Bishop of Carlisle. It's what I do."
 
 
Ticker
12:59 / 09.07.07
cube, I realize in the heat of your headsick your choice of language may have fallen onto regularly scheduled everyday word selection but I'd appreciate it if you'd maybe consider not using that particular word (and its friends) if you could possibly pick another.

Reading it in that context is much like getting smacked in the face for me.
 
 
Olulabelle
13:04 / 09.07.07
Apparently the word twat is fine around these parts. See elsewhere (policy?) where someone complained about it and the ensuing discussion for evidence.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:18 / 09.07.07
It's a little more complicated than that. There isn't actually a board policy on the word cunt, either. The use of the word as a pejorative, especially to describe a woman, is frowned upon and will thus be commented on negatively by a significant number of prominent posters. This might be added to a list of misogynistic posting that cumulatively might lead to someone being reprimanded more seriously. This kind of use might also be removed from the title or summary of a thread. But that's pretty much it, at the moment...
 
 
Ticker
14:05 / 09.07.07
Oh I wasn't intending to present my response to cube as anything but a personal request form one poster to another. I personally find it hard to commiserate with someone having a shit time when they use that particular language choice and wished to gently ask if ze would take that under consideration. I was poked in the eye and thought I ought to say so because I suspect that was not the intent.

I have been politely asked to modify my language use on the board and was glad of the insights.

I have posted to the linked Head Shop thread if anyone wants to talk about it over there.
 
 
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17:38 / 09.07.07
I suppose my position is much the same as Sax's in that thread. I have seldom related the word twat to female genitalia, and I suspect few Britons would either, as it tends to used quite happily, even in polite company, as a word on a par with "wally" "prat" or "muppet", it's use being popularised before really anyone knew it has such connotations (I'm fairly sure my parents still have no idea it does, for example). I do however realise that it does also have the meaning of being a misogynist insult. Sorry I used it, won't happen again.
 
 
Ticker
18:01 / 09.07.07
thanks cube, I appreciate it.

Sorry your preview got presented poorily however do you think it may make people think?
 
 
Whisky Priestess
19:50 / 09.07.07
Ok Whisky, if you get assaulted while you're walking on your own at 3am I will remember to remind you it was your fault.

Saying that something is an unwise thing to do and saying that whatever happens as a consequence is the unwise person's fault are very different things, however, and I'm not sure it's helpful for you to confuse the two.

But, hey, thanks anyway. Can I expect you to come round and gloat beside my hospital bed as well? Because it's always nice to have visitors.
 
 
This Sunday
09:52 / 10.07.07
Happily watching Peter Cushing go about his vampire-slaying business when I recieve a three a.m. phonecall. Not unusual, but unpleasant in the middle of Horror of Dracula. Oh, it's a lovely wonderful person, though, so I answer. It's not, though, it just says that on my phone's read-out, because it's their phone. Their boyfriend has taken that phone, apparently, and decided to call me to alternate between a tense whisper, an insipid whine, and yelling barking orders at me.

Our mutual acquaintance decided she didn't want to have sex, earlier tonight, apparently. The bf is, he assures me, owed sex. Because they're together, and they saw each other earlier in the evening and, well, he wants to have sex. It's this not having sex that's putting a strain on their relationship (whereas, I'd thought it was all the stuff she complains about when we talk - mostly that he admits to playing the good boyfriend because it's supposed to get her to capitulate to whatever he wants the rest of the time, that he's insulting and belittling - and excuses with a line about it being better to be in a relationship than not at her age).

I can practically hear cheap booze coming through the phone, but what the hay, he's stressed out and though we hardly know each other, I figure I'll stay on the line and try to talk some calm into him or something. He knows we talk a lot, his girlfriend and I, and apparently, the idea is that she listens to me, so I could get her to understand what it's like for this man, this man who has done everything he's supposed to and she just kicks him out for the night and says she's got work in the morning. I tell him 'nobody listens to me, they just humor me', which is at least partly true, and hope he's going to calm down any minute. Instead of calming down, he catches the 'nodody listens' and runs with it. I unintentionally validated some notion that women never pay attention to men, never listen, and have to be made to understand.

The conversation quickly turns to 'teaching' women, and how sometimes - and he's very clear he doesn't mean her - but just sometimes, some women, you just have to knock some sense into them. After about the seventh example of violent reeducation - always posed in a purely hypothetical sort of way - and beginning to suspect he's not really drunk so much as just in a very violent mood and patently not a good person, I sort of set the phone down on the desk and after a few deep breaths, pick it back up. Maybe, he says, he should go over to her place right now. They have a lot to work out.

As soon as he hangs up, I dial her number and after apologizing for waking her, suggest she not deal with him, tonight. I feel like an overprotective idiot telling a grown woman not to let her lover into her building, but I make the suggestion anyway. She's pissed at him, but she's pissed at me too, for presuming to call on her and warn her. So there's three of us pissed at me, and two pissed at him, with him being pissed at her. Argh!

She hung up on me. I missed the mid-section of the movie, and probably couldn't have got back into the swing of it, anyway. I'm going to spend several hours now, feeling very paranoid, being alternately upset at myself for not handling it better, upset for presuming I could 'handle it' or that it's really any of my business, and worried something thoroughly unpleasant is going to occur if she lets him inside tonight to work out their issues. As I'm halfway across the country, I'm thinking of asking a mutual friend to check on her, tomorrow, but... it's not really any of my business and the only thing it can do is involve someone else in the mess and give me some small closure, knowing if my friend's alright or not - a selfish, busybody thing to do, then.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:14 / 10.07.07
Whisky, you were commenting on the story of an 18 year old girl who had been assaulted.

shiny: one of them noticed a story about an eighteen year old girl being sexually assaulted walking home alone at 3am. And of course the comment they chose to make was to criticise the girls actions in this matter, nd everyone else seemed to agree.

whisky: it's kinda stupid to do that whatever sex you are, unless you are the size of a large pony or small house.

AdL: Ok Whisky, if you get assaulted while you're walking on your own at 3am I will remember to remind you it was your fault.

whisky: Saying that something is an unwise thing to do and saying that whatever happens as a consequence is the unwise person's fault are very different things

So what was the point of your remark? If you weren't implying that the girl was stupid to walk alone at 3am and thus was somehow responsible I don't understand what your point was, particularly in light of Shiny's original remarks. It looks to me as if you were agreeing with the co-workers but perhaps your comment had a different purpose?

This is why I think what you implied wasn't generous and my response was proportionate: I live alone in London and because I live alone I have no money to pay for taxis everytime I go out until late. Your comment implies to me that I am stupid not to go home and cut short my evening in case I get sexually assaulted. Now no offense but if I get assaulted because I'm walking home on my own I don't want a load of people mouthing off about how it was stupid of me whatever the implication was. Someone would have performed a criminal and uninvited act on my body and that's got nothing to do with the fact I was walking home at night, the victim was walking home. It's like saying "you know those 7/7 bombing victims", what were they thinking getting on the tube? Well, actually they were going to work like they always do, just like that girl was walking home as usual.
 
 
Ex
10:15 / 10.07.07


(Peter Cushing sees the complexity your sitch and sends his sympathy.)
 
 
Ex
10:16 / 10.07.07
(That to Decadent Nightfalling, but honestly, it could apply to most of the thread.)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:20 / 10.07.07
Oh shit, DN. I think I'd have been inclined to phone this woman up and warn her too. In fact my blood is currently running cold and I would not be at all surprised if this man did turn violent at some point. I would encourage anyone not to remain in a relationship with such a person unless that person was prepared to undertake some serious retraining as a human fucking being.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:30 / 10.07.07
DN, why the fuck wouldn't you ring her? She's your friend, she was pissed off because she'd had a horrible night and she was woken up but her boyfriend rang you and was threatening abuse, I think that's a fucking good reason to wake someone, I would have called too. I hope you get the chance to explain later.
 
 
This Sunday
10:31 / 10.07.07
She's left him twice, now, even though they've only been together a few months. She was quite positive-sounding a few nights ago, however, having got back with him because he'd accepted he had problems and wanted to be a better person. I believe my response was something to the effect that he should become a better person before the relationship resumed, but she was very optimistic.

I know I'm a bit prejudiced in these situations, and so try to convince myself I'm over-reacting, but I'm just hoping she took my advice and didn't buzz him in.

And, Ex, thanks. Cushing's lovely sympathetic eyes help quite a bit, as do you posting them.
 
 
Katherine
10:41 / 10.07.07
I think you were right to phone her, the scope for what could have happened in the worse case scenero is bad so you did what you thought was right was is good. Heck, we would all do something like that for a friend.

She was probably just annoyed because of the whole boyfriend situation then getting woken up by a phonecall tends to make people snappy. Hopefully she should be phoning you to say sorry once she thinks about what she said.
 
 
Quantum
10:58 / 10.07.07
What Archabyss said. Decadent, I would have phoned her and complained that a) he phoned me at all b) she's with the dangerous misogynist at all and c) that their relationship issues were interfering with my Cushing. Mind you, I would have told him not to phone me drunk at 3am because I'm not in a relationship with him, or even his ex. You are a nicer person than I, M. Nightfalling.
 
  

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