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Urgh! Fuck!: A thread for untamed hate and anger [PICS]

 
  

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Papess
17:29 / 03.04.07
I went to an all-women group at the local Womens' Y for a group on re-entering the workforce. A group explicitly for women and by women. One woman decides to drop a bomb on everyone saying, "I don't like women". She, a woman herslef, doesn't like women. Now, I thought she was having trouble to express herself because she was obviously francophone. Nope, when asked to clarify that statement, she clearly did not like women. She was congratulated for speaking her mind. So, I spoke mine. I said that I cannot tolerate the intolerance. I was not going to accept it just because others may believe in free speech. It wouldn't be the same response I am certain, if someone had said "I hate people of colour.". However, it sure was acceptable to this group of women to be "disliked" merely because they were women, and to just simply accept that there is prejudice in the world and well, "...you just have to deal with it and not take it personally.".

Why are there different standards for various forms of discrimination and prejudice?
 
 
Papess
18:13 / 03.04.07
I just got a call from the Women's Y. They gave me an apology and told me that I was most certainly right. The woman who decided to dump her dislike of women all over a group of women has been asked to leave. The YWCA doesn't tolerate that sort of talk. I didn't think they did.

I was right. So what? It doesn't wipe out that kind of ugliness.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
18:59 / 03.04.07
PAYPAL!

ARRRRRGH!

Effing Flickr won't let me upgrade my account because my card number's already associated with Paypal and I can't find my paypal password! ARRRGH!
 
 
Princess
10:35 / 04.04.07
Luckily, I just found the counter group to the facebook one mentioned above. On that site they gave me this link to a government petition type thing to get the mosque built.
 
 
Ex
10:58 / 04.04.07
Aaargh Justrix. I'm sorry. I've had to juggle spaces where someone belonging to [named identity] turns up and starts trashing everyone else in [named identity]. It's simultaneously sad and infuriating. If only there were a supportive, self-esteem-boosting trapdoor'n'slide-to-moat mechanism.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:33 / 04.04.07
URGH fuck my paranoia. Why won't you just shut up?
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
13:18 / 04.04.07
TTS - paranoia? I also have suffered it. But bad things are rarely as bad as they seem. Although sometimes they are. And sometimes they are worse.

Sorry, that's probably not much help.
 
 
Ticker
18:33 / 05.04.07
The humane society has sent me day two of:

More baby seals dying today - help save them!

Sigh.

This morning, I watched in horror as the silent beauty of the northern Gulf of St. Lawrence was shattered and transformed into a killing field.

Now in its fourth day, Canada’s annual commercial slaughter of baby seals has intensified after this new area was opened to sealers. As you read this, baby seals are being shot and clubbed to death by the thousands. Will you help me save these beautiful creatures?

Already, the melting of ice due to global warming has devastated seal populations. It's estimated that more than a quarter of the seal pups born this year have died. And the survivors are now being targeted in the largest slaughter of marine mammals on the planet -- a slaughter whose primary purpose is to sell the skins of baby seals to the fur industry.


I don't currently have any money to donate but I will anyhow. Right now if I had the ability to remove humanity from the planet without leaving a huge chemical mess to clean up, yes I would press the shiny red 'delete' button. Nothing anyone can say makes me value human life above any other form of life. I don't even feel the great crushing despair at the moment, you know that big sinking and smushing feeling you get when you read about elephants going insane. Nope, I feel the tired ineffectually pressure to push the donate button.

I walked through the snow and a field of SUV's to return to my office. I watched the other office folk blithely ignoring the state of the world and I wondered how many baby seals were clubbed to death while I was laughing over lunch.

I'm not digging my species at all right now.
 
 
Pooky Is Just My Pornstar Name
18:48 / 05.04.07
I share your rage, XK. The other day, I was so depressed to hear that the baby seal hunt was starting. Can you pm me the link where we can donate money to stop this heinous act? Better yet, share it with the rest of the board, yeah?
 
 
Ticker
19:09 / 05.04.07
Right, taking action instead of smashing things...

Humane Society's Seal Page

Here you can sign a pledge to boycott Canadian Seafood, read about what's happening, donate money, and help to notify other people.

I posted the info to myspace via a bulletin, and if you're a member of any online communities please considering so as well.
 
 
Ticker
19:10 / 05.04.07
Humane Society's Youtube clip

WARNING: It made me cry like a three year old.
 
 
Papess
19:16 / 05.04.07
Our Government's firm take on the issue.

On a fence, as usual.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
19:18 / 05.04.07
The seal hunt has gotten a semi-free pass from me in the past on the grounds that (a) as much as seals are cute as hell, I can't see the seal hunt as worse than what happens to the factory-farmed animals I eat every day, and (b) a vague notion that if the seals aren't culled they'll totally eradicate the cod stock.

YMMV on (a), obviously, but is there any clear indication on whether or not (b) is true? The sealers claim it is, the anti-hunt side says it isn't, nobody seems to know for sure. But I'm a bit nervous about the idea of an exploding seal population wiping out the cod. Cod aren't very attractive, but arguably ecologically they're a pretty important piece of the ocean puzzle around Newfoundland and Labrador.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
19:21 / 05.04.07
I have been pwned by my own government.

Myth #4: The Canadian government is allowing sealers to kill thousands of seals to help with the recovery of cod stocks.

Reality: Several factors have contributed to the lack of recovery of Atlantic cod stocks, such as fishing effort, poor growth and physical condition of the fish, and environmental changes.

In addition, there are many uncertainties in the estimates of the amount of fish consumed by seals. The commercial quota is established on sound conservation principles, not an attempt to assist in the recovery of groundfish stocks.


So the cod stocks have zero (official) relationship to the seal hunt. This goes a long way towards putting me in the Bad Idea camp.
 
 
Papess
19:31 / 05.04.07
Having worked at the DFO before, I can tell you that they micro-manage every bit of hunting and fishing along the coast. Cod have been in trouble for many years, along with Turbot and Salmon.
 
 
Ticker
19:53 / 05.04.07
The seal hunt has gotten a semi-free pass from me in the past on the grounds that (a) as much as seals are cute as hell, I can't see the seal hunt as worse than what happens to the factory-farmed animals I eat every day, and (b) a vague notion that if the seals aren't culled they'll totally eradicate the cod stock.

Yeah I hear ya. I have friends who are fisherfolk and they tell me how shit life is. But then they also tell me about all the seals that get trapped in their nets and die ALL THE TIME. they don't report it because there's a fine.

I think for me the crisis of killing a wild animal and specifically the young in such numbers is heinous when we're already changing their habitat to shit. But then I as a rule don't usually eat factory farmed animals and try not to buy leather/animal products from China etc. It's a minefield of choices and yes I have considered the hut in the woods approach.

I'd like to say baby seal hunting and factory farmed chicken de-beaking and assorted other factory farming evils all inform my outrage.
 
 
Olulabelle
20:03 / 05.04.07
According to Earthlings you should also try not to buy leather from India. Although, if you watch Earthlings you won't want to buy leather from anywhere so it won't matter. You say that little video makes you cry like a three year old; Earthlings is basically the route to utter despair.
 
 
electric monk
13:35 / 12.04.07
OMFG, SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT DON FUCKING IMUS! HE IS NOT THE VICTIM IN THIS SITUATION, SO CEASE YOUR HAM-HANDED EFFORTS TO PORTRAY HIM THAT WAY, YOU FUCKWIT!
 
 
Haus Of Pain
15:30 / 12.04.07
Shouldn't you be posting that in the cool band names thread?!
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
16:11 / 12.04.07
Today at work I had to deal with an idiotic fuckwit who sits near me actually saying that unless one is white one is not British! This idiot comes out with borderline vile bigoted shit on a fairly regular basis and normally I attempt to debate him and just generally make him look as absurd as hw is in front of witnesses, but this particular oral shitbucket resulted in me just shouting 'Bollocks! That's Bollocks!' repeatedly and then storming off. I hadn't particularly lost my temper really, but in all calmness shouting and storming just seemed like a far more rational response to something so patently both evil and absurd than actually attempting to debate the point.
 
 
Quantum
16:31 / 12.04.07
Wow. Well done for not punching them.

I have friends who are fisherfolk and they tell me how shit life is.

Greenpeace are pushing for marine preserves, basically oceanic safe areas where people can't fish, and mostly the small scale fisherfolk are all for it. Without a protected breeding ground to replenish them sustainably fish stocks will run out in about 40 years (I started a Lab thread on this, Lurid did years earlier, neither really took because fish aren't as cute as seal pups). It's the huge organisations that are the culprits, the bottom trawlers who catch (thus kill) and discard more sea creatures than they keep. They basically strip mine a bit of sea, keep the saleable fish and all the dolphins, porpoises, small whales, seals, turtles, seabirds, sharks, starfish etc. that get caught in the nets get thrown back into the ocean dead.

Here's a Blacklist of pirate fisherfolk.

These Pirates are not cool.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:36 / 12.04.07
Indeed, they don't deserve the name "pirates".

"Wankers", maybe.
 
 
electric monk
19:19 / 12.04.07
NO, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT THAT AL SHARPTON HASN'T APOLOGIZED TO THE DUKE LACROSSE PLAYERS, AND YOUR CONSTANT ATTEMPTS TO MAKE SHARPTON OUT TO BE THE BAD GUY MAKE ME WANT TO KICK YOUR FUCKING FACE IN!

Sorry y'all. It's been a long long long LOOOOOOONG day.
 
 
grant
03:02 / 13.04.07
I guess you haven't seen today's (thursday's) NY Post front page, then.
 
 
*
03:11 / 13.04.07
Is it okay if I have some headsick and rage at Blair for a minute? I know he's yours and all; I'll give him back in the same condition you left him in. (Bold for quoting in general, italics (mine) for stupidity, italics and all caps for REAL FUCKING HOLE IN THE HEAD BLOODY STUPID RACIST SHIT.)

Patrick Wintour and Vikram Dodd
Thursday April 12, 2007
The Guardian

Tony Blair yesterday claimed the spate of knife and gun murders in London was not being caused by poverty, but a distinctive black culture. His remarks angered community leaders, who accused him of ignorance and failing to provide support for black-led efforts to tackle the problem.

One accused him of misunderstanding the advice he had been given on the issue at a Downing Street summit.

Black community leaders reacted after Mr Blair said the recent violence should not be treated as part of a general crime wave, but as specific to black youth. He said people had to drop their political correctness and recognise that the violence would not be stopped "by PRETENDING IT IS NOT YOUNG BLACK KIDS DOING IT".

It needed to be addressed by a tailored counter-attack in the same way as football hooliganism was reined in by producing measures aimed at the specific problem, rather than general lawlessness.

Mr Blair's remarks are at odds with those of the Home Office minister Lady Scotland, who told the home affairs select committee last month that the disproportionate number of black youths in the criminal justice system was a function of their disproportionate poverty, and not to do with a distinctive black culture.

Giving the Callaghan lecture in Cardiff, the prime minister admitted he had been "lurching into total frankness" in the final weeks of his premiership. He called on black people to lead the fight against knife crime. He said that "the black community - the vast majority of whom in these communities are decent, law abiding people horrified at what is happening - need to be mobilised in denunciation of this gang culture that is killing innocent young black kids".

Mr Blair said he had been moved to make his controversial remarks after speaking to a black pastor of a London church at a Downing Street knife crime summit, who said: "When are we going to start saying this is a problem amongst a section of the black community and not, for reasons of political correctness, pretend that this is nothing to do with it?" Mr Blair said there needed to be an "INTENSE POLICE FOCUS" on the minority of young black Britons behind the gun and knife attacks. The laws on knife and gun gangs needed to be toughened and the ringleaders "taken out of circulation".

Last night, British African-Caribbean figures leading the fight against gang culture condemned Mr Blair's speech. The Rev Nims Obunge, chief executive of the Peace Alliance, one of the main organisations working against gang crime, denounced the prime minister.

Mr Obunge, who attended the Downing Street summit chaired by Mr Blair in February, said he had been cited by the prime minister: "He makes it look like I said it's the black community doing it. What I said is it's making the black community more vulnerable and they need more support and funding for the work they're doing. ... He has taken what I said out of context. We came for support and he has failed and has come back with more police powers to use against our black children."

Keith Jarrett, chair of the National Black Police Association, whose members work with vulnerable youngsters, said: "Social deprivation and delinquency go hand in hand and we need to tackle both. It is curious that the prime minister does not mention deprivation in his speech."

Lee Jasper, adviser on policing to London's mayor, said: "For years we have said this is an issue the black community has to deal with. The PM is spectacularly ill-informed if he thinks otherwise.

"Every home secretary from [David] Blunkett onwards has been pressed on tackling the growing phenomenon of gun and gang crime in deprived black communities, and government has failed to respond to what has been a clear demand for additional resources to tackle youth alienation and disaffection".

The Home Office has already announced it is looking at the possibility of banning membership of gangs, tougher enforcement of the supposed mandatory five-year sentences for possession of illegal firearms, and lowering the age from 21 to 18 for this mandatory sentence.

Answering questions later Mr Blair said: "Economic inequality is a factor and we should deal with that, but I don't think it's the thing that is producing the most violent expression of this social alienation.

"I think that is to do with the fact that particular youngsters are being brought up in a setting that has no rules, no discipline, no proper framework around them."

Some people working with children knew at the age of five whether they were going to be in "real trouble" later, he said.

Mr Blair is known to believe the tendency for many black boys to be raised in families without a father leads to a lack of appropriate role models.

He said: "We need to stop thinking of this as a society that has gone wrong - it has not - but of specific groups that for specific reasons have gone OUTSIDE OF THE PROPER LINES OF RESPECT and good conduct towards others and NEED BY SPECIFIC MEASURES TO BE BROUGHT BACK INTO THE FOLD."

The Commission for Racial Equality broadly backed Mr Blair, saying people "shouldn't be afraid to talk about this issue for fear of sounding prejudiced".

Mr Blair spoke out as a second teenager was due to appear in court charged with the murder of 14-year-old Paul Erhahon, stabbed to death in east London on Friday. He was the seventh Londoner under 16 to be murdered since the end of January, and his 15-year-old friend, who was also stabbed, remains in hospital.


Here you go then. Thanks. Have a loan of ours whenever you want.
 
 
electric monk
12:04 / 13.04.07
grant - Nope, totally missed it. Is there somewhere I can find it online? nypost.com isn't being very helpful.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
12:50 / 13.04.07
Fucking hell...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:51 / 13.04.07
Mr Tony's totally lost it now, hasn't he?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:51 / 13.04.07
For fuck's sake...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:02 / 13.04.07
Happy to loan Blair to you anytime
 
 
grant
13:30 / 13.04.07
monk, unless you've been having a lazy liver problem, you can probably live without the bile. Let me just say that it involved a large, color photo of the Duke lacrosse accuser's face and word "liar" was featured prominently.
 
 
electric monk
13:58 / 13.04.07
Oooooookay. Have stopped looking now.
 
 
Quantum
14:35 / 13.04.07
We came for support and he has failed and has come back with more police powers to use against our black children.

I'd say that sums up Tony's approach generally. How long until he goes to America?
 
 
grant
14:37 / 13.04.07
Quantum, you naif. You've got it backwards!
 
 
Lama glama
21:23 / 13.04.07
Nnnaarrgg..

Bill O' Reilly on Irish television. That demagogue should never be given a platform to speak outside of his own television show.
 
  

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