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Urgh! Fuck!: A thread for untamed hate and anger [PICS]

 
  

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Princess
21:33 / 08.05.07
Any suggestions for the second rider?
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
10:22 / 09.05.07
I'm sure that other people here have posted before about the severe inadvisability of reading the Guardian's commentisfree blog and it is somewhat of a straw man target, but sometimes you just have to spread the hate around.

A couple of choice responses to today's article by a woman celebrating her childfree status - a fairly uncontroversial position to take one might hope.

Do we need more middle class white babies? Well they don't have to be white, but a higher proportion of respectable law abiding people in the population could have a positive effect , yes.

Excuse me please? This went straight under the wire, though thankfully the other swivel-eyed loon in the response thread who started banging on about intelligence being bred out of the population was seen off, with some real science, in short order.

I've had a lot more sympathy for gay people since coming out as childfree. With all the crap we sometimes get, I've gained some small insight what being it must have been like coming out as gay 20 years ago.

... Or now, for that matter. Nimrod.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:13 / 09.05.07
Battles all = won, pendulum = swung too far (C) Teh Grauniad.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:06 / 09.05.07
Right. Some of you might be aware that a housemate of mine keeps having his friend over. I've been on about it before. Said friend is from Israel, has been an IDF borderguard, and has always spouted horrendous things. He's now been in the house every night for the past four weeks at least, getting stoned and hogging the living room. The sort of things he says and the fact that no-one else criticizes any of it make my living room an impossible place for me to be right now.

Well, it's just gone up a notch. He's been boasting about shooting people (Palestinians), and not just aggressors but (in his own words) "unarmed civilians", which he thinks is great, and has said that it's acceptable to fire on children because "In the east there isn't a difference." Let me just repeat that: he's been boasting about having shot unarmed, non-millitary adults, at least, if not actually children as well (this last is implicit).

Seriously, who the fuck can I call about this? Amnesty International? Surely it needs to be reported?

I want him out of my house, and the housemates won't go with that because he brings them weed. What the hell can I do?
 
 
Closed for Business Time
14:10 / 09.05.07
Call the cops?
 
 
Closed for Business Time
14:17 / 09.05.07
More seriously - have you challenged the guy on his drivel? Your mates for letting it go unchallenged? Are they too stoned to care? You have my sympathy.
 
 
Triplets
14:19 / 09.05.07
Aww, no, Legs, not housemates again. Sympathies.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:44 / 09.05.07
Thanks folks.

They're letting it go unchallenged because they're all basically thick, like action movies, and haven't been brought up to be politically aware. One of them - the chap who's brought the IDF guy round - also has official, medical, "difficulties with conflicts" (which seems to go only so far as the intrapersonal, obviously).

The others don't know sod all about middle-east history, modern or ancient, which means he can get away with saying things like "Israel used to include Iraq, Turkey and Egypt" and claiming they have a right to those places. Or he'll claim it's acceptable to bulldoze a village to build a holiday home. And then he'll just casually throw out abuse at anyone he feels like - it was "ch*nks" the other night, usually it's "p*kis" or "n*ggers".

Every time I so much as make a challenge I either get told I don't know what I'm talking about, or we get a bunch of propaganda about how "the Jews" are just trying to make "their own place to live" and how "the Arabs"/"the terrorists" are trying to stop them, or if I "win" the argument it creates a really bad atmosphere which I later get blamed for - you know, stirring things up, etc etc.

He's a screwed up guy. He's been to prison in America for drug possession, and all sorts of shit probably happened to him there. I have the same sympathy for him that I have for everyone who's been in a war, I understand he got conscripted, but that doesn't make any of his shit acceptable.

Were it not for all the above I would have talked through this situation by now, but the personalities involved make this impossible. I've got exams over the next week and a half as well.

Would calling the police be a workable solution? I can see that turning incredibly nasty, but to be honest I might be willing to go through with that if it brings the fucker to justice.
 
 
illmatic
15:00 / 09.05.07
I don't think calling the cops is a viable option. For what? Just being an unpleasant arsehole is no offence, unfortunately.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
15:00 / 09.05.07
Calling the cops would undoubtedly create a nasty situation, so I guess you'd have to weigh the pros and cons. I guess it would mean getting the git permanently out of your space, but how will it affect your relationship with your flat-mates? Could you tell your flatmates that unless they get the sack of shit outta there you'll call the cops on their thick asses? Ultimately, what matters most to you? Having the bloke out or maintaining some sort of liveable relationship with your flatmates? Do you have anyone that could act as an ally, like friends who could back you up in a debate/conversation/argument?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
15:05 / 09.05.07
I intend to talk to them seriously, some time when he's not there, and tell them once and for all how unpleasant it is to have the guy around, and how it screws up my personal space. I'll ask them to go round to his place instead...and if none of that works, I'll hold up the threat of outside intervention.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
15:20 / 09.05.07
Dayum. I totally missed the part where you said he had a place of his own. I thought he was crashing at yours. My bad. Well, in that case, he the c&%* + your flat-"mates" don't really have any excuses do they? Tell the c(*^ to foul his own nest for a change.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
16:00 / 09.05.07
Why can't they just go to his place? "I'd really appreciate a couple of quiet nights to study -- could you hang out at his place for the next couple of nights?" doesn't seem terribly unreasonable, especially if he's at your place all the time.
 
 
COG
17:39 / 09.05.07
Why not move house? If you don't really get on with any of them. There are lots of nice people out there who will make you cups of tea without asking and are more on your wavelength. I think you're FM and they're AM by the sounds of it.

For now, use it as an excuse to stay in your room and study like fuck.
 
 
grant
17:59 / 09.05.07

Why, I'm sure there are plenty of alternative housing options for someone seeking a fine, Christian household in which to live!

Millions of young adults are living at home and loving it. They have no intention of growing up -- and why should they? The nest is just too comfortable there. Food is prepared. Clothes are laundered, and the bills are paid. There's no incentive to face the cold world of reality, and they are determined not to budge.
 
 
Feverfew
18:03 / 09.05.07
I am three steps from throwing the phone at the wall at the moment, and the worst part is it's over such a clichéd thing - 'Telephone Banking'.

'Thank you for holding. Are you are you can now bank online?'

Yes. Yes I was. Except that you cut off that facility yesterday and forced everyone to try to reregister. Except the registration process doesn't work, meaning I have to ring up. And when you get through, you have to hold (like I say, cliché), except that this time, someone answered within ten minutes, then cut me off.

I just want the money that's in my account to be available to me. I know this request must seem curious, somehow, but since the bank's computers can't see more than ten days into the past viz. my previous account...

... Oh, screw it.
 
 
Feverfew
18:05 / 09.05.07
... And now they have Teardrop by Massive Attack as the hold music.
 
 
Feverfew
18:27 / 09.05.07
And then the person I spoke to was perfectly nice and sorted out everything I was wanting to sort out.

Anger... Dissipating...
 
 
Triplets
18:30 / 09.05.07
 
 
COG
18:58 / 09.05.07
Paris Hilton has endorsed a movement to get her pardoned from her 45 day jail term.

The petition said Hilton deserves a pardon because she provides "beauty and excitement to (most of) our otherwise mundane lives."
 
 
Lama glama
20:45 / 09.05.07
That Paris Hilton thing is absolutely hilarious and only a little head-wrecking. Perhaps prison will grant her an ounce of self-awareness.

Sorry to hear about your uncomfortable housing situation Legba, but my only advice is to grin and bear it temporarily. I know that letting such bigotry and questionable behaviour slide only contributes to the already disastrous situation at your house, but broaching the subject during exam period will only result in dodgy grades. If you're lodging with these people over the summer period and the next college term, then you should definitely bring the matter up before you decide to live with these people again.

My urrgh-fuck for this evening is as follows. I was out for a walk yesterday evening and there were a group of people about my age (20ish) throwing stones at a local stray cat. I was tempted to challenge them on the matter, but didn't want my face smashed in. Why the hell would somebody, who is for all intents and purposes an adult, do something so utterly cruel to an animal that was just minding its own business? I mean, what makes it click in a person's mind that makes them imagine throwing stones at a cat is an enjoyable way of passing an evening?
 
 
JOY NO WRY
08:40 / 10.05.07
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6634255.stm?ls

Ahh,so that is what is wrong with the BBC.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
17:52 / 10.05.07
Fuckity-fuck-fuck-fuck on toast with a side order of fucking fuck. I'm attending my union's national conference next week, and all in all i was quite looking forward to some activism. But now my bloody branch have gone and mandated me not only vote against the introduction of a reserved seat for an LGBT member on our national comitee but to vote for the abolition of the reserved seat we already have for black members.

So I have to vote with the fucking racists on that issue. I just don't have the words to describe the headsickness I'm feeling right now. Now i don't think the people in our branch's meting who voted to bid me to do this are racist bastards - I'm sure at least most of them aren't - but they were operating on good old 'normal bloke' common sense - sticking to the line of 'oh we aren't a racist organisation, so we can be colour-blind and we don't need the reserved seats'. Without being able to realize that in voting that wat they are actually voting with the racists. Fuck, fuck fuck.
 
 
Triplets
18:05 / 10.05.07
Hijack the vote?
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
18:28 / 10.05.07
I've considered that. And I will continue to consider it. But I almost certainly won't do it. The thing is as a branchs delegate I'm not supposed to put my own opinions above those of my branch - my only authority to vote at all come from the fact I'm speaking for my members - regardless of the fact they might be stupid and wrong on this issue. If I go puting what I know to be obviously right above that, then I guess in some ways I become many of the things I despise about politicians. Whatever happens come Wednesday teatime I'm going to be giving myself some pretty nasty looks in the mirror.
 
 
Papess
18:29 / 10.05.07
Agreed Triplets. Or possibly, refuse to represent them? It would still suck, though.
 
 
Papess
18:31 / 10.05.07
Sorry, x-postt.

I don't envy your position, Shiny Things.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:34 / 10.05.07
Are you allowed to voice your opinion as you vote, Shiny? Sort of say that publically that while you vote based on your people's opinions and decisions, you strongly object to them?
 
 
Triplets
18:54 / 10.05.07
If that's possible that might be the way to go. Objection without mucking your job/standing with the union up too much.

I don't envy your situation at all, ST, but at least one person knows it's wrong (and there'll be others, I'm sure). That's a start.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
18:56 / 10.05.07
Probably wouldn't fly. Only a small selection of those picked by the president get to speak before the vote, and I'd have to very carefully craft a speach that put my branch's opinion whilst subtly making my own opinions very clear even if I did get to speak - and frankly I'd probably rather the time was spent giving someone who can speak freely against the abolition of the seats a platform.

I'll be caucusing with the other left wing reps regularly throughtout the event, and some of them are very experienced so I'll be asking them for advice on exactly how much wiggle room I can extract on this. If there is an out I'm sure this lot will know what it is.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:13 / 10.05.07
Anger on behalf of my friend:

In this country if you are a heroin addict and you go on the methadone programme they take you on and then quickly raise your dose of methadone to stupid levels to increase tolerance to it and in order to make sure you don't crave heroin. Then they slowly decrease your dose over a period of months until you are cured. In order to get on this programme you have to prove you have an address (and obviously a habit, but that's something much easier to prove than an address, particularly if you are homeless). If you don't have an address you can lie, and then hope you get any letters they may send you. There is a no tolerance policy if you miss an appointment, and you are thrown off the programme.

It's worth knowing that Methadone can be just as addictive as heroin, especially at such high levels.

In this country we have something called the Drug Interventions Programme (D.I.P) which is what you are put on if you are arrested and they find out you are an addict. If you are put on this then they give you a prescription instantly, and then they try and fix your habit.

So imagine being homeless, being addicted to methadone and missing an appointment because you didn't get a letter telling you that they'd moved it to be one hour earlier than you thought. And because of that your programme is cancelled. But you have a thirty quid a day methadone habit courtesy of the NHS, which is more than your heroin habit ever was but you only earn about a quarter of that per day selling the Big Issue. And the drug counselling service won't take you back for a month now because that's 'The Rules'.

So you ask, "What am I supposed to do?"

And the advice you get from the drug counselling service who've just cancelled you is this; Get arrested, and then you'll get on the D.I.P.

I'm sorry, that's GET ARRESTED AND THEN YOU'LL GET ON THE D.I.P.
 
 
Red Concrete
21:32 / 10.05.07
Shiny Things, are they actually racist, or do they have a problem with positive discrimination? In making that distinction I've become aware that some people might disagree, with the distinction that is. I think it's admirable that you want to abide with their decision even though you may disagree with it - that's democracy after all.


Lula, sorry for cross-posting. That's a horrible situation to be in... and especially since it affects people in really miserable circumstances, who are actually trying to get onto a programme. Is there no way the clinics can be flexible with appointment changes. Is there no other way to get onto the DIP? Systems that shit usually have ways around them, as long as a few key people realise how shit they are.
 
 
Princess
21:35 / 10.05.07
Lula that's just shitty. Best wishes to whoever it is going through that.

Anyone know where to look for more information about that? Is there any movement to change that system at all? Because it really is a shit system.
 
 
penitentvandal
21:37 / 10.05.07
So Littlejohn has written a new book. And who have they went to for a sell quote on the cover?

CLARKSON.

It's like a vortex of right-wing pruntiness.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:36 / 10.05.07
On a slightly different note, it's beyond me why heroin isn't prescribed to addicts on the NHS. It might upset the good folk of Middle England, but for those of us who have to live with the day-to-day possibility of being involved in drug-related street crime (ie anyone who lives in a decent-sized city) the benefits of a policy that accepted that the methadone programme, as it's currently organised, really isn't working would far outweigh the possible downside. Which would be, simply, that addicts were being prescribed heroin by the government.

This is a bit annecdotal, but after an incident I'd rather not go into (not, I should stress, because it was particularly bad, but just because I don't like talking about anything too personal on the internet,) I had to go down to the local police station to look at their records of convicted burglars recently, and pretty much every single photo I saw (and there were a lot of them) seemed to be of someone in the throes of a fairly serious drug habit. While I wouldn't claim to be an expert, there was a certain pinched, burned-out look that that they almost all seemed to have in common, I mean really, to an alarming degree. Poverty would have something to do with that, of course, and I don't know how you'd go about dealing with the crack issue (it would be very difficult to prescribe that, given that it basically encourages volatile behaviour patterns in the long-term user) but even so, if a change in the way heroin addicts were treated in Britain would seem likely to a)reduce street crime, b)improve the life of the user, c)cut into the profits of organised, international crime, and all of this fairly dramatically, and if such a policy might arguably go some way towards stabilising the situation in Afghanistan, say (this is more contentious, but the heroin would need to be bought from somewhere, and I'd imagine the average opium farmer would much rather sell his crops in an at least quasi-legal, controlled marketplace,) then surely it's at least worth a try?

I'm not suggesting that all heroin addicts are prone to violent criminal behaviour, incidentally, so much as saying that if heroin addiction is a significant contributing factor to the crime statistics in Britain, as it seems to be, then it might be better to try and deal with the problem in a manner that might actually work.

I'm not sure if methadone is cheaper to supply than heroin, but even if it is, by a fairly large amount, it still seems possible that the actual cost of the UK's drug problem, in terms of police time, to be hard-edged about it (which is to say nothing of the less-easily quantifiable benefits of living in a society where there's basically less victim-based crime) would be greatly reduced.

I'm not holding my breath about any of this though, obviously.
 
  

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