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Urgh! Fuck!: A thread for untamed hate and anger [PICS]

 
  

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:33 / 15.07.05
Was gonna post that myself, but I figured you'd enjoy it more.
 
 
Haus Of Pain
09:35 / 15.07.05
Oh god here come the pc brigade.

YAAAAWN
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:20 / 15.07.05
I say 'pikey' a fair amount. In fact, I say it alongside the word 'bastard', in reference to people. A good deal of the time, to their face. Way I see it, if you're trying to offend someone in an unsubtle manner (for friendly comedic value, or because you don't like them), it's pretty pointless trying to do it using only inoffensive terminology, and it's impossible to use any offensive terminology without implicating yourself (cf the popular use on this board of words like 'idiot', 'special' and 'simpleton', which reference words describing the mentally disadvantaged for pejorative effect in much the same way).
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:21 / 15.07.05
...and Fly, I'm assuming the use of the word 'trash' there was ironic, right?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:39 / 15.07.05
I used to use the word "pikey" a lot, largely because I've been called it many, many times over the years. One time this art student guy came and sat next to me in the caff at 6th-form college and said "pikey" about a hundred times in a pleased stage whisper while I tried to eat my lunch. "Pikey. Pikey, pikey, pikey, pikey, pikey..." while his mates sat around and giggled.

Maybe I'd done something to piss him off; maybe he had a genuine greivance. However, I don't know what this guy's beef was with me, because he just called me a pikey. Therefore I have to assume that I'd done nothing more offensive than be a bit scruffy and poor-looking in his general vicinity.

I pretty much don't use the word anymore. I don't find it offensive, exactly (I've been called it so many times that the sting has pretty much worn off), just kind of unhelpful--if I'm pissed off with someone it's generally not for being scruffy and poor-looking. (Plus I don't want to sound like that art student.)
 
 
Axolotl
10:42 / 15.07.05
That art student = stupid wanker
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:43 / 15.07.05
Very briefly, because we wouldn't want to get bogged down:

"Trash" is not referencing race or class in and of itself, although one might see it as referencing the idea of "white trash", which is class-based. In this case, however, since Flyboy knows Pap personally and knows that he is impeccably middle-class, this is presumably not the aim. Likewise "idiot" is pretty contextless - calling somebody stupid is not, to my knowledge, protested by any group as hate speech. "Special" and "simpleton" are a bit more complex, deffo, although the former more so than the latter on account of the latter's archaism. I've certainly tried to change my behaviour on using terms referencing mental disability when I am actually merely describing stupidity or obstinacy.

"Pikey" is indeed an offensive term, and so a reasonably fit-for-purpose insult, but whether it is one that is useful or necessary is a different queestion. If the aim is simply to offend, there are plenty of other terms that focus the offence load on the individual rather than the undesirable characteristics of a race or group of people. I wouldn't call somebody "kike" as an insult, say, and if somebody else did I would question why they were doing it.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:52 / 15.07.05
Yeah, but the word you've just used as an example is an ethnic slur. "Pikey", to the best of my knowledge, just means "Scruffy poor-looking person who probably lives in a caravan." It doesn't specifically refer to roma. It's like "trailer trash," no? Good way to sound middle-class and a bit like an art student, but not racist as such.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:12 / 15.07.05
Not so much Roma as travellers generally. See:

Article on travellers in Britain and Ireland

Previous Barbelith thread

I won't sit down with Pikey

You can extend from there to use it on a social underclass who are in your opinion behaving like gypsies - gold teeth, tracksuit bottoms, cheap haircuts, petty criminality, no schooling - just as in Elizabethan times you could call somebody "Jew" to express that you though they were cheap and dishonest without suggesting for a moment that they were actually Jewish.

Soooo... you can certainly call somebody a pikey without intending to suggest that they actually are either a dirty gypsy or a scummy povvo, but after a while you might want to thhink about the cui bono involved in refusing to contemplate the idea that there is any possibility that the society of easy pikey-related abuse that yoou are helping to create by doing so might have consequences for the people being burnt in effigy.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:22 / 15.07.05
In this case, however, since Flyboy knows Pap personally and knows that he is impeccably middle-class, this is presumably not thhe aim

It ain't Pappuce just for the record.
Also, I find constant threats to 'knife' people a bit grating, as someone who's had some nasty encounters with said items.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:30 / 15.07.05
You are part of the over-sensitive knifing-victim-protection brigade!!!!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:32 / 15.07.05
And yes, it isn't Pappuce. Pappuce has contributed something of worth to the board, whereas as far as I can tell MUMMY is just a joke suit. A hilarious joke suit.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:33 / 15.07.05
Duly corrected.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:15 / 15.07.05
Haus, that's certainly true, and a good reason to avoid using words like "pikey" and "chav" and also to encourage others to think about their use of those terms. I just meant that ethnic slurs seem to me to be a more clear-cut case.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:55 / 15.07.05
Pikey is totally a slur but I think the boundaries of that slur are muddled since a lot of people who use it couldn't tell Roma from a holiday caravaner. About 5 years ago I was working in a bar and a load of travellers were staying in the area, they came in for a drink and the first thing out of one of the regulars mouthes "don't serve them too many drinks. If you do those pikey's never leave." I haven't been able to stand the word since.
 
 
_Boboss
14:08 / 15.07.05
so we're definitely hunnerd percent on the traveller thing over the pov thing? (i don't think there were turnpikes before there were pikestaffs, not that that's a clincher. ov kors, some travellers are povs, though the settled usually suspect vast reserves of untaxed hard currency secreted under the heather mattresses.)
 
 
William Sack
14:24 / 15.07.05
Are we not losing sight of the important fact that they give caravanning a bad name?

Onto the anger:- hanging around waiting for something when you could be going home early, just because some prick didn't get his finger out earlier.
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:35 / 15.07.05
Okay mr talk-too-much, I have said that I am unavailable to help you on your short and unpaying film as I am too busy, but at the same time at no point during our conversations in which you came across too chummy and far too often talked at me, did I actually agree to do the damned thing, so don't leave a message on my phone telling me how I've messed it all up for you. Twat.
 
 
Triplets
14:59 / 15.07.05
College didn't call me back earlier when they told my brother they would.

DO NOT WAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNTTTTTTT
 
 
Spaniel
15:15 / 15.07.05
Pappuce hasn't contributed anything to the board in a long long time.

He needs an ethernet cable. He's needed one for about 8 months.

As for hate and anger.

FAAAARRRKIN LAZY BASTARD UNION REPS.

I help manage a network of the fuckers and a more ungrateful, idle bunch of moaning wankers you have never met. They do NOTHING except piss and whine and expect me to wipe their arses.

I hate them and I hate my job.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:20 / 15.07.05
I have a ludicrous number of spare ethernet cables...

Not that that makes me angry. Except in a very specific "my flat is really untidy" way.

Get him to PM me his address and I'll whack one in the post or something.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:27 / 15.07.05
whack one in the post

Were I Humphrey Littleton, that'd be comedy GOLD!

Unfortunately, I'm not. This makes me ANGRY.
 
 
*
15:43 / 15.07.05
A world where a 21 year old who thinks that it is a good idea to hit a three year old in the head until he dies to stop him being gay is allowed to have, sire, or indeed come into contact with a child in any way fills me with nigh uncontrollable rage.

Of course, so do children. So the fact that this story affects me at all is telling.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:47 / 15.07.05
sentimentity- do you think we could, like, kill that fucker? I mean, really slowly?
 
 
*
15:54 / 15.07.05
As opposed to his possible death by lethal injection? Hmm. I'm somewhat against the death penalty, but I don't think I'd be against a team of poofs and poof-positive people, or children and child-positive people, or just people with an ounce of sense and human compassion, say, rendering him helpless and emotionally vulnerable and beating him until he died.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
15:55 / 15.07.05
I hate that my body-clock is seemingly warped beyond repair and that I'm sleepless, knackered and have to go on a twenty minute walk outside in the real world to collect money I'm owed from selling something precious which once belonged to me and which I was forced to sell.

I hate it when I write long sentences. I hate that I just spent about half an hour composing a reply comprised of my angry take on "pikey" (etc), and that you've all moved on; even though it's a good thing you have, and that despite my little personal anecdote about the word "tinker", my post would have probably made things worse anyway.

Grrrr: racism...grrrrrr: my body clock.....grrrrrr: poverty.........grrrrr: me......

Ahh.....That's better.
 
 
Haus Of Pain
09:54 / 18.07.05
"And yes, it isn't Pappuce. Pappuce has contributed something of worth to the board, whereas as far as I can tell MUMMY is just a joke suit. A hilarious joke suit."

Shit Flybot that's exactly what I thought about your suit. Is it for real? Actually don't answer that it's better i don't know!

As for hate and anger;

JOB HUNTING!! I fucking hate it. It's shit for arseholes.
 
 
Katherine
11:08 / 18.07.05
Why??? It's a best seller you yourselves have blooming said so! So what do you do.....continue it!!!!!!!! ARGH!!!!!!!!
And you don't have the decency to publically announce you are doing so until someone walks in your stores and askss for it.

I'm talking Lush here, they have discontinued all their shower gels apart from four in flavor of these shower jellies crap. Yet there is no mention in their magazine or on the website. Well this is the third time you have discontinued a 'best selling' product in flavor of mine.

Also a side issue of anger is the marketing ploy known as your sister branch which now as a shower gel which you )lush) used to sell but in new shiny packaging and a new price of £18.

The feet are voting by walking elsewhere to buy my showering and bathing items.
*GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR*
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:15 / 18.07.05
Y'know, I had ample right to kick off at the use of "cripple" in this thread. Not because I'm a RIGHT ON MY SISTERS WE ARE ONE STABFUCK THE BIGOTS Millie Tant/Rick from the Young Ones/[certain barbelith poster who needs anger management and a strong sedative] type of guy, but because I'm actually, well , a cripple (dashing pimp limp these days, but still).

I didn't kick off (nor did I bat an eyelid when someone deployed "spacker" in the photo thread), and here is why.

Some people will be unplesant. They will make unplesant jokes and use unplesant words.

Now, as someone who had to cope with wankers yelling SPACKER out of cars at me and such as a kid, I realise that using these words generaly need not always imply deep bigotry, rather that it more often implies recklessness or ignorance ("nigger" and "kike" are a very different kettle of fish I'd say, since they're targeted racially these days and aren't often applied to any kind of social stereotypes beyond the targer ethnicity).

I don't think going after every single un-PC word is a productive way of making a more equal society. I think if it's mishandled it can be *seen* as being overly anal and have a counterproductive effect.

Just my two cents, mind.

On a similar note I've been wanting to point out for aaaaggggeeessss that "chav" and "townie" are used as insults by working class kids far more often than bymiddle class kids, since they apply to an anti-social tribal element that's more likely to be encountered by working class kids. It's simply not a class insult. Yes, it is an unfair stereotype, but there's not much class warfare to be found, as most people around here seem to assume in the threads I've read around here.

(Please note: if the above scans horribly please be kind; I have not slept)
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:17 / 18.07.05
God strewth. I'll probably try that again after a few hours of shut-eye.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:18 / 18.07.05
Where would one start, and where would one ever start?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:34 / 18.07.05
Well, from personal experience:

- It's probably not bigotry that someone calls an X-Men character a cripple on the internet (again, if he called Bishop a nigger or Kitty Pryde a kike, that would be jawdroppingly bigoted, since you can't "nigger" someone wrestling, or have a "kiking" headache). Unplesant and crash, certainly, but not bigotted.

- If someone yells "CRIPPLE!" out of a moving car it's bigotry outright, and it should be tackled as such.

- If someone I know well and like well calls me a big dirty cripple on a pissup, I'm just going to give him a playful slap/headlock.

- If someone wants to send me to a "special" school for no other reason than my mobility then it's bigotry and needs to be tackled - mum was completely justified in calling my juinor school teacher a fucking bitch.

I think poster Mummy was being awfully tactless and crass, it being that more and more "pikey" is beinging to apply to people outside the travelling community, but I think the strong words and long posts should be saved for the times when someone clearly has a prejudice to grind. If only because it makes the strong words and the long posts that much more effective when the time comes.

Oh, and threatening gbh with knife to a bod isn't how someone in their thirties should be comporting themselves. Not only is it terribly immature and pointless, it's also fairly tactless in a world where knife attacks are fairly common.

Again, I haven't slept disclaimer etc.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:37 / 18.07.05
I used to use the word "pikey" a lot, largely because I've been called it many, many times over the years. One time this art student guy came and sat next to me in the caff at 6th-form college and said "pikey" about a hundred times in a pleased stage whisper while I tried to eat my lunch. "Pikey. Pikey, pikey, pikey, pikey, pikey..." while his mates sat around and giggled.

Jesus, what a cunt. That's grounds for a karate chop or some shit.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:46 / 18.07.05
That's unbelievably insensitive of you. My dear Mum was karate-chopped to fuck the other day by a yob in a hoodie. Fortunately Big Charlie Clarke was on hand to rescue her and slap an ASBO on the yobbo. He is my hero now!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:48 / 18.07.05
That wasn't actually a reply to you, Dudders. However, I think it might be an idea if you got some sleep. We can always come back to this later.
 
  

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