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Angel- current us seaon spoilers (& some Buffy6 too)

  
  

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Trijhaos
00:01 / 23.05.02
I swear Dru got staked. Really, I saw it. He staked her through the back.

Whatever.

It might be interesting to get Dru to come back for one reason or another. See how she feels about Spike with a soul.
 
 
Saint Keggers
03:48 / 24.05.02
Im hoping Spyke returns and Dawn kicks his ass.
 
 
Saint Keggers
16:44 / 28.05.02
So I caught the first post finale episode of angel. It was the one where WF&H got some brainguy to give Cordy visions. And angel has to grab a guy out of a hell prison to stop it...remember it? Ok so did anything ever happen with the guy he helped escape?
 
 
Trijhaos
16:50 / 28.05.02
I think something happened. If I recall correctly, there's a mention of it in one of the later episodes of this season.
 
 
Seth
17:47 / 28.05.02
Yup. Billy the Burning Man comes back later in the third season. The episode has a couple of flaws, but on the whole it's great. Billy has weird powers that turn men into rampant wife-beaters. Excellent moments include Wesley chasing Fred around the hotel, trying to kill her, and Cordelia and Angel's reaction when they find out what's been causing all those blokes to go loopy.
 
 
Saint Keggers
03:53 / 29.05.02
Shit, I missed that one..thanks folks, on the up side now I'll have something to look for during the lull between seasons..untill I get my Buffy dvd's that is.
 
 
gridley
15:27 / 06.06.02
according to www.slayernews.com, "Charisma Carpentar may not be returning to Angel next year."

That would truly suck. She is the best thing going in that show by far.... I would be sad.
 
 
Trijhaos
15:47 / 06.06.02
I've heard that too. I'm hoping its just an unfounded rumor. I mean, they've got to work out this whole Higher Power thing and the Angel/Cordy romance deal. The only reason Cordy didn't abuse her powers was because she didn't know how they worked. I think once she learns how they work, she's going to fall back to earth. She'll end up interfering in something she's not supposed; the rescue of Angel for instance.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
12:40 / 07.06.02
Spike becoming a Watcher could set up in the dream sequence episode at the end of Season 4 ('Restless'), unless all they were talking about was the amnesia episode where Spike thought he was Giles' son...

Dawn having unexpected ass-kicking ability might have come from the fact that she's inextricably linked to Buffy... I was under the impression that that was what they meant by the 'blood of my blood' thing at the end of Season 5. This could indeed mean that Dawn reached the same period of adolescence that Buffy/Faith/Kendra et al did, and inherited Slayerness. It's no worse a conceit than all the other crap that's gone on this season...
 
 
gridley
12:51 / 10.06.02
Angel (TV): News babe Wanda at E! Online talked a bit more about the
Charisma Carpenter leaving rumour and it looks like she will be back.
Carpenter's agent said "Charisma is coming back next season. We received her
pickup orders today".

phew....
 
 
The Natural Way
13:03 / 10.06.02
Thank the mighty FUCK for that!

Spike as Watcher? Yes. Good. Like that. Yes indeed. As someone already said: 'Restless' and, of course, he's no stranger to the job - he's looked after Dawny before.

Dawn may not end up being Slayer per se, but not sure. She will be superhuman and real hard, however.#

Must leave this thread now - always feel the need to rabidly defend the series from the evil of the naysayers. Unhealthy. Need more sex.
 
 
Trijhaos
13:18 / 10.06.02
That's good. I just hope it does well in it's new time slot.

Spike as watcher is an interesting proposition. If he became Dawn's watcher, he'd be able to get close to Buffy and maybe ingratiate himself to her. Get her to forgive him and all that.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:42 / 11.06.02
And, of course, Spike is kinda reminiscent of the young Ripper: brash, aggressive, punky....english. Hmmmmm. Like this idea.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:06 / 11.06.02
Spike with a soul isn't necessarily going to be in love with Buffy, you know... A lot of that came from his own cryptomasochistic 'thing' about Slayers, based on his insecurity over being a junior member of Angelus' gang back in the day. Spike-with-a-soul doesn't necessarily have to suffer from the hangups that Demon Spike did. Just a thought.
 
 
Trijhaos
11:25 / 11.06.02
You're right.

He's going to fall in love with Dawn and she'll fall in love with him. Isn't she at about the same age Buffy was when she first fell in love with Angel.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:00 / 11.06.02
Nah, I don't buy that - if he ends up w/ anyone, it'll be Buffy. That way (assuming he does get the job) Buffy gets to live out her pervy Watcher slash fantasy.

Any news on Seth Green? Watched 'New Moon Rising' last night and, yeah....I know it's the sort of stuff everyone says when they're breaking up, but Willow's whole thing about how she'll "always be waiting" for Oz, etc screams potential recoupling. If Tara and Will can't get a happy ending, at least Oz and Will can.

Just throwing ideas in to the air, trying to anticipate where they'll land.
 
 
Trijhaos
12:06 / 11.06.02
I haven't heard anything about Seth Green, but I don't see why he couldn't join up. You know, it's not like he has anything to do now since the stupid bastards at Fox canceled Greg the Bunny.

I'd love to see Oz again. I think some of the best episodes were those episodes with Oz.
 
 
gridley
12:39 / 11.06.02
He would be worth every penny they paid him too, in terms of ratings. It would be a great way to win back some viewers that didn't follow it to UPN....

Although, I've got to say that in terms of chemistry, I really liked Oz with Veruca better than with Willow. Veruca was cool....
 
 
The Natural Way
12:54 / 11.06.02
What? Cooler than Willow?

I'm glad she's reneged on the whole "DESTROY THE WORLD!" thing, but, in yr case, I hope she makes a special exception.

If you love Verruca so much, why don't you marry her?
 
 
gridley
20:21 / 11.06.02
Well! Maybe I will!!!
 
 
gridley
20:57 / 11.06.02


look how cute she is, Runce!!!! and she's not even tilting her head in that seductive way Veruca does!
 
 
Saint Keggers
03:48 / 12.06.02
Wow! those are like Jesus eyes. They follow you no matter where you are. I must say that picture is a very good argument for clonning.
Veruca + Faith personal clone army/harum. Much pain and much fun.
 
 
gridley
13:59 / 13.06.02
well, just read this on sci fi newswire. no spoilers, but totally and obnoxiously reading between the lines, I'd say it looks like watcher-training for willow....

Buffy Crosses The Pond

Joss Whedon, whose Buffy the Vampire Slayer took home the Saturn Award for best network television series, told SCI FI Wire that he will move production to England for the seventh-season premiere episode. "I am going to England ... in a couple of weeks to shoot some second-unit with Tony [Head, who plays Giles,] and Alyson [Hannigan, who plays Willow,] for the season premiere of Buffy," Whedon told reporters after receiving his award June 10 in Los Angeles. "So that'll be fun. Our first production values ever. We're very excited. Usually it's 'So we're in Venice. Hand me that goblet.' So it's a thing."

As for next year's storyline for the UPN series, Whedon remained coy, but promised a change from this year's dark themes. "I can only tell you a little bit," he said. "This is something I've been sort of gearing towards since the very beginning of the show. It's a question of bringing it onto a much larger scale and at the same time making it much more personal and much more personal to Buffy herself. This year was a chance to let the other characters [shine.] ... The big climactic scene [was] between Xander and Willow, and that was because, as characters and as actors, they'd earned that opportunity. And I thought it was right for them to sort of be the spokespeople for what was going on at the end there. But next year Buffy will be much less peripheral to the climax. The climax will be the biggest thing we've ever done."

Whedon added, "You know, every year it might be the end. Except, actually, this year. This year I really did sort of leave it up in the air. You could have said this could have been an end, but the [cliffhanger] with Spike and the thing on Angel, this was sort of the exception to the rule. But I am looking for closure next year in way because we're making a more positive statement. This year was just about surviving the year. Sometimes the audience felt that actually it's their chore too. What? You don't want to be depressed all the time like me? I don't understand. But next year is something that's a lot more positive and definitive. And in that it has to end with an exclamation point, not a question mark."
 
 
The Natural Way
14:02 / 13.06.02
Aaaah, England.....I seeee.......

Told you so. Nyah.

Sounds fighting-good and that's second only to weddings in my book.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
16:19 / 13.06.02
Oh, that's just shit. Willow the Watcher, after Willow the Veangeance God? Yes. Good one. Let's watch all credibility go down the pan here. Bollocks.
 
 
Trijhaos
16:27 / 13.06.02
Ok, so Willow is going to be in England. Maybe she gets some Watcher training from the council or something.

I'm thinking that isn't the reason Willow's going to be there. I think she's going to meet with the coven Giles mentioned.
 
 
gridley
16:45 / 13.06.02
yeah, I couldn't tell if that conven he talked about was setting something up for the Giles solo show or for something in Buffy. It's possible that they'll just train her to be an uberwitch (but with self-control).

of course that means, I'm back to thinking spike is the new wat---aw, never mind....
 
 
Saint Keggers
18:51 / 13.06.02
I really like the idea of Willow being tutored by the coven. That would be nice for her, get away from the painfull sunnydale memories...
Also I want to see Spike hook up with Faith. Ok I just want to see Faith again. Its an obsession..Ill go seek help. Anyone wanna help me kidnap Faith
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:16 / 13.06.02
I'm assuming Willow will be up in some kind of witchy court martial - there was a rumour that the big bad of next season will be clear from Episode 1. I can just see either the coven or the Watcher's Council, or both, deciding that Willow needs to be locked up in Larkhall, or worse, and Buffy et al taking exception to this... Cue moral quandries and big fights.

Finally, anyone who thinks Spike ends up a Watcher is on crack.
 
 
Trijhaos
22:11 / 13.06.02
Kidnap Faith?

*puts on nightvision goggles and ski mask*

What are we waiting? Let's roll!

I think Willow may be stripped of her powers by the coven. They'll find her guilty and suck them out the same way Willow sucked out the power Giles was using.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:47 / 14.06.02
I don't really think that Spike'll become a Watcher (s'just a nice idea to play w/) - my money's still on Willow.

Jack: I find it so weird that Willowwatcher insults yr head: it seems obvious to me - that's why I put forward Hindermate's suggestion in the first place. And it's not like I didn't give some strong reasons. I keep on thinking that it might be nice for you if you just stopped watching Buffy - you obviously don't enjoy it.....
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:35 / 14.06.02
Let's hope they give up the whole "using magic, it's like being on heroin!" metaphor.

And saw the Angel finale last night. It was like the Bohemian Rhapsody of TV shows, all the bits of scripts they hadn't used through the series thrown together to see what would stick.
 
 
Trijhaos
12:00 / 14.06.02
I think the problem with Willow as a Watcher is all a matter of trust. Are you really going to be able to fully trust somebody who almost destroyed the world because her girlfriend was killed. She's too emotional. She's more likely to make a decision based upon her emotions than she is logic.

Take a look at Wesley. When he found out Angel would kill Connor and all that, what did he do? Did he think, "I should tell Angel and the other's about what I found". No, he did what he thought was good for the "mission" even though it cost him his friends.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:53 / 15.06.02
Runs: I think so too... I'm just so disappointed with what I've seen, and I love the show (I wouldn't have spent over £300 on the videos if I didn't). I guess quality is subjective, but watching the older episodes, I'm just struck by the difference, and it's not a difference I like, or even can respect. But there you go.

Willow too emotional to be a Watcher? As Giles has intimated repeatedly, being a Watcher is about training someone to kill and then to be killed. It's about waiting for your protege to grow, mature, become everything you've dreamed, and then to just die. And to hope you die before you get a chance to see it. If Willow's experienced the agonies of losing someone that important to her (just her 'girlfriend'? Love don't work that way...) she might be ready for the training that would make her Watcher material. But right now she's a dangerous bundle of homicidal energies, and no one should be trusting her until fucking YEARS after she's proved she's stable again. That's why I find WillowWatcher so insulting, Runs - it's the idea that anyone would consider an unstable, murdering uberwitch in her early twenties suitable material to be the caretaker for 'the one girl in all the world', whether it's Buffy, Dawn, Faith or someone new. Let's face it, she was on the fucking ragged edge long before Tara even dumped her, let alone died. Remember her hubris in bringing Buffy back in the first place, her decision not to let anyone more mature get involved because she knew they'd try to stop her?

The Watcher's council has a centuries-long history of putting such people down, not training them to take on a position of severe trust. Remember the last ex-Watcher-turned-magus who went bad? That glove that threw lightning? The only thing I can see possibly happening is them trying to brainwash her into being their hook into getting Buffy 'back in the family' again, which I've got to admit could be an interesting storyline...

Even if the council weren't involved, and Ripper trained her himself (echoes of Kenobi training Anakin despite everyone's reservations), I can't see him trusting her that much now. She's been protrayed as a junkie, however crass it may or may not have been. And you can't ever fully trust a junkie.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
12:55 / 15.06.02
i have a question kinda off the current topic
myself and my lady have been debating something
"Death is your gift" is what the primal slayer told buffy
then buffy died saving everyone, and went to heaven.
Now, was Death a gift FOR Buffy for all her tireless work, a last final piece.
Or, was Death Buffy's gift to the world, she gave her life so others would live.

or is there another interpretation?

Also, Willow as watcher would be terrible, that plot line wouldnt be interesting if i could somehow watch it while bungee jumping into Chuck E Cheese's where a group of naked ninja girls were fighting the predator.

I still want spike to come back normal human style and all in love with buffy, but now she really doesnt want him cause he is all normal, like Xander.
 
  

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