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Donnie Darko (Spoilers)

 
  

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Spatula Clarke
20:02 / 18.12.02
Couple of other bits. DD's set in '88 and when McFly gets that car up to 88 MPH you'll see some serious shit.

Fairly major visual reference with the space/time spears being the absolute spit of the aliens' manipulation of water in The Abyss. The Abyss = James Cameron = Terminator = time travel.
 
 
Cat Chant
12:16 / 19.12.02
Someone just told me that the therapist is played by Hotlips Hoolihan from M*A*S*H, and now I like the film a lot better, though still not very much, I'm afraid, _pin.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:34 / 20.12.02
The film or the TV show?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
10:30 / 20.12.02
In either case, you've been misled, Deva. Katharine Ross plays Donnie's therapist. Hotlips was played by Loretta Swit and Sally Kellerman.
 
 
iconoplast
18:15 / 20.12.02
Barbelith Annotatates Donnie Darko

It's a wiki. So everybody can add and subtract to and from it at will.
 
 
bjacques
23:59 / 29.12.02
I finally got the DVD; its resolution is *much* better than the download, and the Madworld music video is one of the extras. So this time I saw the aforementioned Frank O' Lantern in the kitchen.

In the last therapy session, under hypnosis, Donnie sees Frank in place of the portrait above the fireplace (whose picture was that anyway?). Just before snapping Donnie out of it, the therapist tells him that when the universe collapses, there will be nothing left--just him. Both universes gone, and him stranded, would be more terrifying than "merely" dying alone. So God, or the Manipulated Dead and Living, act on both his fear of being (let alone dying) alone and his love for Gretchen (and for everyone else, in varying degrees) to get him to do the right thing. He says to the gym teacher that emotions are not reducible to fear and love, but they are in his case.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:47 / 30.12.02
Wasn't his therapist simply warning him that if he fully accepted Frank as real he'd be left alone in his own mind, as a result of his psychosis?
 
 
Ethan Hawke
03:29 / 03.01.03
Um, I read somewhere that the character of Frank was inspired by Bill Drummond's visions of a rabbit, as recounted in his book "45." This being Barbelith, someone (or probably a couple someones) had to have read this book or own a copy. Someone care to elaborate?
 
 
.
09:56 / 03.01.03
Something that no-one seems to have noticed yet is the similarity between Donnie Darko and James Stewart's film Harvey (1950) in which Stewart's character Elwood P. Dowd has an imaginary six foot rabbit friend named "Harvey"...

Anyone seen that film? Coincidence or influence?
 
 
Utopia
10:20 / 03.01.03
How can Harvey not be an influence? Actually, I introduced DD to some people by that comparison. Wasn't Jimmy Stewart an alcoholic in that movie, or is that a product of my imagination? If so, do these two films combine to form a genre depicting characters getting fucked up and seeing 6 ft. rabbits?
 
 
sleazenation
10:35 / 03.01.03
I think we are beginning to repeat ourselves here, I'm sure Harvey has already been mentioned.
But yes Elwood is portrayed as being a regular drinker. But perhaps more relevant is plot hatched by elwood's sister to have him committed because of his visions...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:05 / 03.01.03
I thought Harvey had been brought up, too, but can't find it in the thread. Whatever, I've seen or heard somewhere (if not here, then it's either in an interview or on the DVD commentary) that Kelly claims never to have seen it and that it is just coincidence.
 
 
grant
16:00 / 03.01.03
I've been doing some organizational stuff on the wiki - lemme know what you think.
 
 
DaveBCooper
16:06 / 03.01.03
Um, yeah, if memory serves : in ‘45’, Bill Drummond writes at some length about his growing conviction that the rabbit painted on the sleeve of one of Echo and the Bunnymen’s early records was Echo, some kind of spirit, I think.
Sorry, don’t have the book to hand, but Bill’s story suggests he was a bit thrown by the whole thing, and you might draw a comparison between that and Donnie’s state of mind…

DBC
 
 
Ethan Hawke
16:08 / 03.01.03
Found on the WIKI

"Donnie describes the money burning as an ironic act"

I haven't seen the film in some time, so I'm not sure exactly what this refers to (it's time for me to pick up the DVD, I think), but the connection between this comment and the K Foundation is pretty obvious.
 
 
The Falcon
16:30 / 03.01.03
Has anyone noticed the incredible prevalence of rabbits, or rather rabbit-suits and..., in music videos recently?

It's bothering me.
 
 
Tamayyurt
16:35 / 03.01.03
What's Richard Kelly up to next?
 
 
Utopia
16:58 / 03.01.03
According to AICN, Kelly is working on a film called The Rift, about a group of college students that travel to Antatctica with a professor to build some sort of space/time portal. James Cameron is slated to produce. Of course, it sorta sounds like bullshit. Why would the director follow a movie about time rifts with a movie about time/space rifts, unless he's trying to make a series (see "Director and Persistant Universe" thread)?

I believe DF is referring to a video by The Flaming Lips which, like their stage show, is bunny-laden. I think they've been doing that longer than DD has been around, though.

I apologise if any of my above posts were redundant. I haven't read the entire thread in a while and may have forgotten some of the points therein.
 
 
bjacques
18:51 / 03.01.03
I think in last fall's Time Out interview, or maybe slightly earlier, Kelly specifically denied that "Harvey" was an influence.

That dangnabbit rabbit is on the cover of the single of Pictures On My Wall. I didn't know Bill Drummond was in Big In Japan!
 
 
bjacques
19:04 / 03.01.03
Oh and Echo was the name of their drum machine. I used to know this bit of pop trivia cruft, once upon a time.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
22:07 / 03.01.03
Duncan Falconer Has anyone noticed the incredible prevalence of rabbits, or rather rabbit-suits and..., in music videos recently?

Umm, no? Examples?
 
 
dlotemp
23:34 / 03.01.03
I'd like to point out that the inspiration of the rabbit suit and Kelly's response to the Harvey comparison were touched upon on the Annotating Donnie Darko thread.

http://www.barbelith.com/underground/topic.php?id=9495

But to summarize, Kelly has stated in interviews that the book WATERSHIP DOWN is the inspiration for the bunny suit. Apparently, the book affected Kelly quite profoundly and the images of the rabbits stuck with him. He even wanted the book to replace THE DESTRUCTORS in the school's syllabus after the other book is banned by the PTA.

Also, Kelly claims to have never seen HARVEY in either its celluloid or theatric incarnation. He was only marginally aware of the movie at best when he wrote and developed DONNIE DARKO. So consider it further evidence that the world is linked by coincidence.

In general, there seem to be an animal leit motif in the film - Mrs. Sparrow, Donnie's dog, the rabbit suit, etc.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
13:02 / 09.01.03
Donnie Darko screening, followed by Q&A with Richard Kelly, Sat. Jan 11 in NYC
 
 
dlotemp
22:24 / 09.01.03
Since there is no way I'll make it to NYC in time for said occassion would some nice 'Lithers kindly ask a questions on my behalf?

1) What is the relevance of M. C. Escher to the movie? Kelly borrows some Escher images but did they only serve as visual gee-gaws or did Escher's work lend a deeper context to the movie?

2) Is Mrs. Sparrow, aka Grandma Death, one of the Animated Living or Dead in the tangent universe?

3) What is the relation between art and the movie's other themes of time and Divine Intervention? There seem to be many art references in the film - Swayze's portrait, Escher's work, the doctor's painting and Frank's art. Why? Also, who the hell is the portrait of in the Doctor's office!
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
08:53 / 10.01.03
According to Play.com the Region2 release of Donnie Darko on DVD is May 2003. Start saving those pennies now!
 
 
The Natural Way
10:52 / 10.01.03
Oh, thankyew, thankyew, thankyew, Lada! I was beginning to despair of ever getting my hands on the bloody thing. No hacks for my bastard DVD it seems.....
 
 
The Falcon
13:36 / 10.01.03
Sure - Pink's 'Just like A Pill', Aguilera's 'Dirrty', aforementioned Lips one. There's defo a couple more, but I can't bring them to mind just now.
 
 
Bear
13:48 / 10.01.03
Is Duncan having a Donnie Darko moment?

May eh - actually Runce are you in the UK I have a *cough* copy of it that would probably work on your DVD player?
 
 
The Natural Way
14:22 / 10.01.03
Yes. I'm PMing you now.
 
 
The Falcon
14:38 / 10.01.03
Frank is one of the best things I've seen in ages. When he popped up on the cover of Sleazenation, I was immediately enthralled.

I am obsessed with the rabbit, but I do keep seeing 'em in sub-world strata, particularly the pop video. It's like a directors conspiracy.

Bonus points for Redman punching the one in the 'Dirrty' vid, and doing a brilliant 4th-wall breaking, shit-eatin' grin afterwards.

I need to see this film again.

Well, not really, but I'd like to a lot.
 
 
my cockroach Gonzalez
18:29 / 10.01.03
hey i loved this film.

love to sit and chat about it but i think i need to await the coming of the DVD cos i'll probably ramble on about something about it that exists only in my own head.

still, nice to see its here - loved reading the annotation thing.

you guys have your shit together on this site don't you?
 
 
Jack Fear
18:32 / 10.01.03
Not so much that we couldn't use your ideas, input, and help, MCG.

Welcome.
 
 
my cockroach Gonzalez
18:54 / 10.01.03
Cheers Mr Fear :-)
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
02:08 / 16.03.03
Dear God, why didn't anyone tell me about this movie?

I just finished watching it, and skimming this thread.

I've got nothing to say that hasn't been said in this rather large thread. But one thing is worth repeating - this was heart rendingly beautiful.
 
 
Baz Auckland
15:59 / 16.03.03
I just saw it a few weeks ago for the first time (and second last night). Go! Spread the word!

I remember hearing last night the TV asking for donations to restore the "statue of our beloved mascot Mong". That thing reminds me of some horrible Ghostbusters or Lovecraft Old God or something. I guess the school teams are "The Mongrels"
 
  

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