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Donnie Darko (Spoilers)

 
  

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Perfect Tommy
02:26 / 05.08.03
Per Donnie, they like to steal shit, and per Donnie's dad, it is occasionally rumored that Grandma Death really has a fortune hidden away somewhere.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:48 / 05.08.03
Stop worrying about how it all fits together.

What's important is that I cannot listen to 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' anymore without thinking of its use in this film, and wanting to cry. That song has taken on a whole new level of heart-rending emotional impact... damn you, Donnie and Gretchen.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:26 / 05.08.03
Has anyone gotten the soundtrack? Halfway through the movie I wanted it, by the end with "Mad World" I really, REALLY wanted it!!! How is it?

(****minutes later) Sadly, I just checked the reviews/entries for the DONNIE soundtrack at Amazon.com and found out that 3/4 of the CD is just the score -- i.e. it doesn't have any of the 80s songs that are so terrific from the movie (only both versions of MAD WORLD).

In fact, almost all the customer's comments are about the lack of the 80s songs, and how much it sucks that they're not on the soundtrack, as nice as the orchestral score is. Most reviewers list all the 80s songs so you can 'make your own Donnie Darko soundtrack CD' from online downloads and such. Disappointing.
 
 
sleazenation
22:35 / 05.08.03
The director really wanted to do a soundtrack of all the eighties songs (and even wanted to include more on the final cut) but couldn't due to budget restrictions - on the DVD commentary he talks about a track list of featured songs and mentions the idea of people downloading them independently to create their own sountrack albums...
 
 
Tamayyurt
03:48 / 06.08.03
Yeah, I know I bought the stupid CD and didn't even get the Echo and The Bunnymen song. I was so pissed. but I've since made my own CD those songs weren't hard to find.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:54 / 06.08.03
Sadly enough I already own most of them...

...between Donnie Darko and GTA: Vice City, I think they've pretty much covered most of the decade.
 
 
foot long subbacultcha
10:01 / 06.08.03
Just thought I'd share my most recent Donnie Darko experience which was at Glastonbury this year. REM had played what to me was a bloody moving set (it was the mood I was in). "Everybody hurts" had me in tears. But the lyric from the set that stuck in my head was "it's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine". After the set I couldn't be arsed to find my mates, so I loped over to the cinema tent to catch the second half of Donnie Darko.

I'd seen the film loads of times before but that had to be my best viewing, surrounded by knackered festival-goers after a heady set by an awesome band. The entire time I sat in front of the movie I had that REM lyric going though my head and it was the PERFECT soundtrack.

It was also bloody freezing outside but thankfully a random bunch decided to keep me company and gave me a bottle of wine.

There something special about a movie when you can manipulate it with your own mood (and choice of music) in that way.
 
 
Ria
20:31 / 06.08.03
THE SURVIVORS: SERIES 7... recent-ish sf satire... has a brilliant use of "Love Will Tear Us Apart". I couldn't even remember when they used it in DONNIE DARKO.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:01 / 07.08.03
That's so weird, because what prompted me to write the above was watching Series 7: The Contenders and hearing the song in that scene: and it works as a gag, yeah, sort of. But I couldn't help but be taken back to Donnie and Gretchen upstairs at the party, and that rush of exilaration and fear: the sense that something terrible's going to happen to one or both of these two people who are unbearably young and in love...

Different strokes, I guess.
 
 
Ria
02:28 / 08.08.03
doncha just love the mock-rock video in SERIES 7? as good as anything in THIS IS SPINAL TAP! then later the song sounds so eerie.

DONNIE DARKO transforms some "pretty good" songs into gold. it couldn't have made "Love..." sound any better. nothing could have made that song better. you cannot get better than that.
 
 
Ria
02:30 / 08.08.03
sounds eerie in SERIES 7 I mean. when the contestants face off and you hear that short reprise...
 
 
Ria
02:32 / 08.08.03
funny thing about DONNIE DARKO and songs... now that I know that "Uptown Girls" would have played in the Sparkle Motion scene every time I think of that sequence they do it to "Uptown Girls" in my memory.
 
 
Ria
02:37 / 08.08.03
yet more kibitzing from me... Gretchen and the Donnie-Gretchen relationship seemed less affecting to me because Gretchen did not seem real to me. I wondered, "hmmm, wonder why they did not get that gal who played Donnie's sister to play Gretchen?" 'course I discovered later that they had cast Jake's real sister, so I can see why not [grin] however y'all get my point? I still loved the film.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:24 / 08.08.03
Gentle synchromesh between the Sparkle Motion dance show and my mermories of primary school:

The girls obsessed over Duran Duran and decided to put on their own special 'Arena' tour. They built a stage, they dressed up, they rehearsed for weeks. On the day of the show, we all filed into the assembly hall at playtime to watch it. All the boys expected it to be awful, and awful it was. Zoe Shelton dressed up as a werewolf for 'Hungry...' and chased the miming *singer* around the hall. She filled her mouth with ketchup (fake blood). She puked. The stage collapsed on the girl's heads.

We laughed and clapped and it was just like that bit in the film.

All the boys had to stay after school to receive a lecture about how we "shouldn't have been so nasty to the girls".
 
 
Who's your Tzaddi?
21:17 / 27.08.03
Did anybody notice that Gretchen and the psychiatrist share the same surname? (which escapes me now...)
Could it be that "They" are the two teachers? What was with this line?

"Donnie Darko" he says.

"I know..." she replies laughing.

Could it be the two teachers are Donnie and Gretchen? Or all exists in Churita "Chut Up"'s lonely mind?

Arghh. Why even try to talk about it...
 
 
PatrickMM
13:28 / 28.08.03
Not being able to check the DVD right now, but the director says it some time when we see all the family asleep, before/as his sister gets home from her date before the jet engine crashes into the house.

This makes sense since right after Frank drops Donnie's sister off from the date is when he honks, the signal that Donnie should leave his room. So, in the real world during the honk, Donnie stays in his room, in the tangent world, he leaves, and the tangent universe is created.
 
 
Sebastian
14:24 / 15.09.03
(Yaaahwnn...) Saw Donnie Darko last knight and slept four hours only. Of course I dreamt with it.

But at least for now I am not all that happy about Donnie's choice. I mean, at a first glance yes, he sacrifices for mommy, sis and girlfirend to live, okay, but then, what about changing the world?

I doubt he would have gone to jail after shooting Frank. His therapist had a very straight diagnosis of schizophrenia, with documented hallucinations, so I doubt, no, I am actually convinced he would have not gone to jail. It was a tough choice, yes, save the world after loosing mom, sis, girl, and being declared a murderer schizophrenic, but it was a hell of a start anyway, so I am somewhat dissappointed he chose to be slammed under a jet's engine and game over. Can anybody add something to my current feelings?

And the movie rocks, yes, and I laughed a lot. By now I have both the feeling that in the end it delivered less than it promised, along with the certainty that I missed most of the answers I was expecting to find. By the way, I saw it with conjunctivits, so I decidedly missed a lot from it.
 
 
PatrickMM
03:58 / 16.09.03
I doubt he would have gone to jail after shooting Frank. His therapist had a very straight diagnosis of schizophrenia, with documented hallucinations, so I doubt, no, I am actually convinced he would have not gone to jail. It was a tough choice, yes, save the world after loosing mom, sis, girl, and being declared a murderer schizophrenic, but it was a hell of a start anyway, so I am somewhat dissappointed he chose to be slammed under a jet's engine and game over. Can anybody add something to my current feelings?

Not to offend you, but I completely disagree, and I think this completely misses the point of the film. At the beginning of the movie, he is completely disconnected from everyone in his life (Calling his mom a bitch, having only superficial idiot friends, etc.). Because of his experiences throughout the film, he begins to understand what love is with Gretchen, and also understands the perspective of his family, and becomes closer to his parents and sisters.

By the end of the film, he recognizes that the lives of all of them are more important than his own. In this hypothetical, he may be able to get away with the murder of Frank, but he would have to live with the guilt of letting Gretchen die.

Ultimately, he realizes that if he doesn't die, his entire world will die, and he'll be left alone, as he tells the psychiatrist. But, as he lets himself die in the end of the film, he dies with memories of love.
 
 
grant
20:10 / 06.10.03
Over the weekend, I just saw Butterflies Are Free over the weekend. It's a film version of a play from 1972, stars Goldie Hawn, Eileen Heckart and Edward Albert.

The main character is a blind man, living on his own in San Francisco, whose uptight mother wrote a series of childrens books about him called "Little Donnie Dark" -- about a superheroic little blind boy who could do anything.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:05 / 20.10.03
ALL THIS SHIT just popped out on www.aint-it-cool-news.com!
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Richard Kelly - DONNIE DARKO re-release, Frank The Bunny Action Figure, KNOWING and more!

Hey folks, Harry here... I think anyone that's seen DONNIE DARKO can agree that Richard Kelly is one of the most talented first time genre filmmakers in the industry today. And at the very least the film is a huge cult fave here in Austin, where everytime the Alamo Drafthouse shows it... it seems to sell out. Having read KNOWING, BESSIE and DOMINO from Richard Kelly's brain, I can say with great confidence that we've only seen the opening chapter. When Tony Scott shoots DOMINO, folks are going to lose their minds. KNOWING... if Fox Searchlight would just move forward on it, we'd get to see the second Richard Kelly film, which needs to be out right now! The mood of the country is very primed for a film like KNOWING, at least I think so. And BESSIE... BESSIE would be one of the great "WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT" movies of all time. One of those flicks that just kicks your head clean off. HOWEVER, in the immediate future, I have to say, I'm very much to seeing DONNIE DARKO with it's original music from the SUNDANCE time period in... along with it being the director's cut, the way I originally saw it. I think. And having a FRANK THE BUNNY toy... Yes please... NOW!

** Donnie Darko Director's Cut Rerelease, Book, Frank the Bunny doll,
Donnie Darkobook, figurine, special edition re-release announced atSan Diegoscreening **

Richard Kelly, writer-director of Donnie Darko, attended a special screening in San Diego where he announced an upcoming book and Todd McFarlane figurine based on the 2001 cult classic, as well as a potential theatrical re-release in March of 2004.

The Q&A session, following a4:00showing on Sunday the 19th at Madstone Theaters onFrazee Road, was arranged by the San Diego Film Critics Society, who awarded Kelly Best Screenplay in 2002 while he was inEurope. The casual crowd filled three-fourths of the theater, an excellent turnout for an otherwise poorly advertised event. As much as 1/4 of the audience had never seen the film.

Immediately following the credits, Kelly, in jeans and grey T-shirt, made his way to the stool in front - he had intended to present the film, but his car had broken down and he had to borrow another. Following a brief introduction he immediately began taking audience questions.

* When asked how he marketed the unusual script, Kelly thanked his producing partner Scott McKittrick, who had shopped it to an assistant at a major agency, which led to him being signed with Creative Artists (CAA). Initially only the screenwriter, Kelly got his chance to direct when Jason Schwartzman of Rushmore fame showed interest and became attached to the project. He passed it to Drew Barrymore, who approached Kelly's agent at ShoWest and met with him on the set of Charlie's Angels. He offered her a part; she offered to produce.

* Kelly compared Darko's cul-de-sac ending to "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge," the Twilight Zone episode based on the Ambrose Bierce short story about a man about to be hanged who, in his final moments, imagines himself surviving and escaping.

* He sites Steven King, Philip K. Dick, Camus, Kafka, Graham Greene, and Dostoevsky as literary influences. He admitted not having read any of them since high school English and not knowing which way to pronounce Camus.

* Heís a big fan of Kill Bill and Quentin Tarantino, who he met at the premier. Also a fan of Paul Thomas Anderson and Spike Jonze/Charlie Kaufman. Apparently, when Kaufman turned in his draft of Adaptation, everyone inHollywoodwanted to kill him. Kelly tells another story about a screening of Being John Malcovitch: a producer who passed on it walked out claiming sheíd ìdodged a bullet,î and, later, at the Oscars, talked about how it was one of her favorite films of the year.

* The concept of the screenplay began with the jet engine. It was inspired by the urban legend of the block of frozen urine that falls from a plane and strikes a man dead - an idea, Kelly pointed out, that was also used in an episode of Six Feet Under.

* When asked about his struggles filming Donnie Darko and whether he expects his struggles to get worse, Kelly clarified that filmmaking is always a struggle. "There's always 20 bozos who'll screw it up," he complained. "They're not in it for the art at all; to them it's just a business." He discussed his next film, Knowing, which has been caught in legal entanglements; principal photography won't begin until early next year, due in part to the film's $15 million budget. (Darko, which was made for more that a third less, failed to earn back production costs.)

* On the scripts he is writing for other directors in the meantime, Kelly claimed he considers it work-for-hire, though he emphasized the importance of owning and protecting one's material until it is set to go into production. "They can cast Carrot Top," he warned. "You're fucked."

* When asked if he intended the faculty in Darko to be so blatantly incompetent, Kelly reiterated that the characters are supposed to be archetypes, but, yes, Kitty and the principal are "clearly nitwits," while the teachers played by Barrymore and Noah Wyle are the liberal progressive types he admired growing up in Virginia. If Darko has any message, he concedes it would be that public schools and suburban life in general can be so pointlessly damaging that it's no wonder kids are shooting up their schools.

* Most of the throwaway details in the film were written in the script - right down to the "God Is Awesome!" T-Shirt. Kelly admitted admiration for directors like Ridley Scott and Terry Gilliam who emphasize details, and pointed out that technicians appreciate it when you're real specific.

* Patrick Swayze is the nicest man in the world. The infomercial was shot on his ranch; his wife showed them his recording studio and brought out his "80's clothes." Swayze was very enthusiastic about the project: ìHe wanted to take a blowtorch to his image."

* Kelly got to USC on an art scholarship, and changed his major almost immediately. He got into the film department on the strength of his writing samples, and intended to continue as a screenwriter until his peers told him he was most defiantly a director. His dad was a scientist at NASA, and his whole family has a background in architecture and engineering, and after all, ìa director is an architect.î

* The Donnie Darko book - not a novel, more like a production book, like the Matrix coffee table book - is already available inLondonand contains the screenplay, including unproduced scenes. It will be available in theUSshortly.

* When asked, he defended Cherita, the plump Chinese girl, by comparing her to the Mike Yanagita character inFargo. All he does it hit on Marge and lie about his marriage - the studio should have cut the scene, Kelly claims. But when Marge discovers that he lied, it makes her wonder if sheís easily lied to - prompting her to question Jerry Lundegaard a second time. Yanagita was secretly crucial. Kelly failed to explain why putting on Cheritaís earmuffs was an important stage in the development of Donnieís character, but claimed it was anyhow.

As he got up to leave, the SDFCS representative reminded him of his special announcement: he is in negotiations with Newmarket Film Group to re-release Donnie Darko next March, including more pop music removed since it was shown at Sundance, and, more importantly - it will be a Directorís Cut. He claimed it may include stuff not available on the DVD. He did not specify how wide it will be distributed.

The SDFCS rep also reminded him to tell us that McFarlane Toys is working on a Frank the Bunny doll.

Kelly, though appearing tired, was willing to sign DVD covers and chatted with fans as they left the theater.

Madstone will continue showing Donnie Darko until the 23rd.

Jeff Fries
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diz
01:02 / 21.10.03
ha. how weird.

my girlfriend heard about this event just after it happened last night. neither one of us had seen the movie. we went to a later showing last night.

Kelly compared Darko's cul-de-sac ending to "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge," the Twilight Zone episode based on the Ambrose Bierce short story about a man about to be hanged who, in his final moments, imagines himself surviving and escaping.

that same story was also the inspiration for Jacob's Ladder, which is another great movie.
 
 
grant
19:21 / 21.10.03
Just posted this in the wiki:

"When asked, he defended Cherita, the plump Chinese girl, by comparing her to the Mike Yanagita character in Fargo...."

In other words, might Cherita be a cipher for unintended consequences?
 
 
Brigade du jour
19:17 / 06.11.03
Blimey, this is a long thread.

Name - Felicia Hardy Testosterone Brigade.
Specialist subject - The bleedin' obvious.

Thought I'd throw in a slightly interesting point about this film, perhaps indicating a wider phenomenon.

I first saw Donnie Darko in the cinema about a year ago, and unfortunately, due to having been in the pub and also having been awake for almost twenty four hours, I drifted in and out of sleep during the final third of the film. Like a twat.

Anyway, to cut a short story shorter, I spent the following eleven months wondering exactly what everyone thought was so great about this film, because all I'd really remembered was a cool 80s soundtrack, a moribund protagonist and Drew Barrymore. I mean, I'd thought it was okay, but decided I really ought to see it again.

So I saw it again a few weeks ago, and made sure the circumstances were more conducive to my appreciation of the film - it was dark outside, the curtains were open, it was just after midnight, around the beginning of October. And it rocked, and now I want to watch it on a very regular basis so I can try and pick up all the variegated references dropped all over this thread, and also because I crave that emotional rollercoaster again.

My point (at last) is this - sometimes just one little plot detail can utterly transform one's response to a movie, particularly one's emotional response. On the second viewing it seemed to me that Donnie had made a sacrifice, indeed the ultimate sacrifice, and that is exactly what I had missed the first time. From grumpy sod to genuine movie hero in one simple corrected misunderstanding.

Also, the circumstances under which you watch a film can really make a huge difference, far huger, IMHO, than one might normally suspect.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:40 / 16.11.03
This won't actually add a great deal to the thread, but I thought I'd bung it in anyway...

Finally got lilly and her husband to watch DD last night, after raving about it like a loon for what seems like forever. So suddenly found myself back in the headspace that the movie creates.

THEN was out in a goth pub this afternoon with mono, only to hear "Love Will Tear Us Apart" (admittedly, neither Joy Division nor Swans, but some appalling goth band's cover- although it wasn't as bad as Paul Young's travesty) immediately followed by "Mad World"... the world got weirder in that moment. In a good way.
 
 
Twig the Wonder Kid
13:12 / 25.11.03

After another viewing I'm still left with worries over how things are going to turn out this time round, with Donnie dead. Will Gretchen's psycho stepdad still come calling? Will kiddy porn Swayze continue his facade? Will the engine still fall off the plane and who will be on the plane at the time?

In fact the plane bothers me most. Are Donnie's mom and sister going down on that plane? Does his sacrifice unwittingly save them as well as Gretchen? If the plane is not necessily doomed what is the significance of that particular flight, on which the passengers could be the Sparkle Motion team, Donnie's mom, Kitty, or none of them, depending on how events play themselves out.

And, staying with the ending, what of Charita, who seems happy with her own thoughts in the "waking up" sequence, not knowing Donnie is dead. What is her residual memory? And what of Frank, not mystical-being Frank but real Frank, how has this changed his destiny?

(and please don't point me in the direction of the website, I'm interested in the text, not the promotional material)

A question: is it actually a sacrifice Donnie makes, to save Gretchen ("how do you know I'm not [some kind of superhero]") or simply an acceptance of his own death?

It would depend on whether you take the tangent timeline literally or read it as an agnostic post-death journey towards understanding (as the psychiatrist office scenes imply). If the latter, Donnie is no hero, he is simply painting himself as such - and he's never even met Gretchen. If the former, it raises questions of the [meta]physics of his journey back in time, how he actualised what he had chosen to do.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:38 / 25.11.03
I agree with what someone said somewhere in the middle of this thread - namely, the things and timelines and benefits of Donnie's death don't all make sense, but despite that, it's a beautiful, amazing, inspiring film. It's one of the few movies where I can say "It doesn't all make sense, but who cares? It's awesome."

That's my take, anyway, on all those unresolved lingering questions that we all wondered after seeing the movie. Not that those questions are not worth asking, I'm just sharing my feelings on 'em. It's almost like the Tao, or some Ken koan - it just is. It makes perfect sense and simultaneously, it makes no sense and is full of contradictions. This is one of the few movies where I feel like that's a legitimate and even appropriate answer to such questions and not a cop-out (as it would be for most movies).
 
 
Twig the Wonder Kid
18:46 / 25.11.03

True. Very true. It's very rare that a such a multilayered film is also successful in hitting home emotionally. The only other example that springs to mind is Fire Walk With Me, a film with many similarities to DD (doomed teens, time loops, yadda yadda).

I also like PatrickMM's words above, the It's A Wonderful Life style reading hadn't occurred to me.

The way I saw it, the killing of Frank is Donnie's most heroic moment.

He is clinging to Frank, as he tells the psychiatrist, he owes him his life and without Frank he'll be all alone with no-one to explain it all. He is Donnie's God substitute.

At the point he kills Frank, summoned by his "Deus Ex Machina", he has said a goodbye to just about everyone in his world (due to end very soon) and seen his girl squished; he has no-one left but Frank.

By killing Frank does it mean that he no longer needs him to explain what's going on, that he has worked it out for himself? The cut scene on the DVD in the psychiatrists office, where she defines the difference between agnostic and athiest may suggest this, that Donnie's journey is about making sense of a world with only the possibility of a God.

Reading back (waaay back) I also liked Mystery Gypt's line, back on the first page of this thread, about what the film may have to say about it's own medium.

I was bought back to this film after watching both Secretary and the Dawson Does Drugs film (whatever it was called) in recent weeks and thinking what a wonderful world it is now that it's not just David Lynch is making David Lynch films.
 
 
Twig the Wonder Kid
20:14 / 25.11.03

Incidentally, I thought originally that when Donnie says "Deus Ex Machina" he is actually referring to Grandma Death, who has suddenly appeared standing in the road. She is, after all, the writer. But Frank, in his human form, is approaching. I'm still not sure which of my own contradictory interpretations I prefer here.

And in seven pages of this thread no-one has made mention of the wonderful scene where Gretchen is unhappy with the seemingly perfect moment of their first kiss, which is perfect apart from the fat jogger staring at them from the bushes.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
23:48 / 25.11.03
i think someone somewhere in here said the fat jogger is god.
 
 
bjacques
09:52 / 26.11.03
The plane would still land safely, if roughly, minus an engine. In the "Donnie dead" timeline, Cunningham kills himself out of guilt and, er, fear. In the closing scenes he's deciding to do it. It's possible also that Kitty has a nervous breakdown after her hero [Cunningham] dies, so maybe she stays home in that timeline as well. That's my speculation. Dunno about Gretchen's psycho stepdad.
 
 
Twig the Wonder Kid
11:41 / 28.11.03

> i think someone somewhere in here said the fat jogger is god.

which would make sense if the "deus ex machina" summoned a fat jogger in a red tracksuit to stand in the middle of the road. pointing.

lets hope the directors cut will correct this glaring error.
 
 
dlotemp
11:58 / 28.11.03
The fat guy in the red jogging suit is named Tangent and is one of the investigators from the FAA, an identity not readily apparent.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:00 / 28.11.03
I have to watch this (yet!) again, because, having been alerted to the possibility that the fat jogger is somehow key, I mentioned it while watching it recently- mono reckons he's in the very first shot of the party. And being one of the few people to actually own a mobile phone back in those days... I have to check this out again. (And yeah, I get where you're coming from about not mentioning the website, but the fat jogger could well be one of the people in the conversation that's the LAST BIT I CAN GET TO... is there more?)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:02 / 28.11.03
Oh, and... not sure if anyone's said this yet, but what with the obvious Harvey parallels, as well as (as sleaze points out) the film being like an anti-It's A Wonderful Life, is the choice of "Frank" as a name a reference to Mr Capra? (Did Capra do Harvey, or am I totally wrong there?)
 
 
dlotemp
20:09 / 28.11.03
I recommend searching Barbelith for "Donnie Darko Annotated" because a bunch of us have covered some of this material already. For instance, the Harvey parallel IS just a coincidence. Kelly has mentioned that he never saw Harvey before making Donnie Darko and that it never was a conscious parralel. I suppose a case could be made that perhaps Kelly was subconsciously aware of the movie and its image but apparently it's just one of those odd coincidences.

There are a few other great Donnie Darko sites that touch on other bits and pieces of the film. Unfortunately, I don't have those addresses handy, but again I recommend checking out the Donnie Darko Annotated thread because I think you'll enjoy some of the phantom bits of background information.
 
  

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