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Celebrity Big Brother 2007

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21:16 / 26.01.07

It was an interesting 'back to the live feed' point after the interview with Cleo... From what i could catch it went something like this (huge paraphrasing)...

Shilpa: 'I think that there are lots of indians voting for me. Are there lots of indians in Britain.'

Jermaine: Yes there are millions.

Shilpa: Really?

Jermaine: Yes

Dirk: Yes Millions. All the Kids. British women have on average 1.4 children. Indian women have something like 3.5. They'll all vote for you.

Shilpa: Um.

It was an interesting bit of live feed to play out with.

21:19 / 26.01.07

Isn't it interesting how the more Witches of East Angular you get rid of, the more intelligent the debate gets? Yesterday we had Danielle's Comedy Farts, today we get 'Dirk, Jermaine and Shilpa on the Changing Face of Britain.'

21:49 / 26.01.07

Yup, i can see it now. Dirk, Shilpa and Jermaine left.

'Whats that? Davina? NOT NOW! WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION!!'

Our Lady Has Left the Building

05:27 / 27.01.07

velvet FREAKIN' vandal I will be really disappointed if the public blame Jade for all of this and don't give Jo her share of the evils.

It does look as if The Sun are reporting on her behaviour, unfortunately this week they're concentrating on trying to get the Home Secretary fired for reasons that escape understanding so they can't give full coverage as they did with Jade. Maybe if Jo had survived a bit longer then everyone would have forgotten she was a racist.

I suggest that Jade and Jo get together and do something to show they are not racists. Some kind of slide-show perhaps, with pictures if Indian people.

10:25 / 27.01.07

I missed it all. Where can I see Jo squirm? is it up on youtube or anything?

11:36 / 27.01.07

Jo's interview here.

12:37 / 27.01.07

She didn't squirm nearly enough, IMVHO. At least Jade seemed to be genuinely upset by her 'best bits' - the dog-breeder, on the other hand, fell back on the 'just being myself' routine way too easily. If she was gutted by anything, I'm guessing it was the clear evidence of physical decline in the clips; three weeks in there seems to have aged her by getting on for a decade.

12:46 / 27.01.07

'You're making it look so much than it was ... It didn't feel wrong to me ... My cousin is married to an Indian man ...'

On second viewing, she could have handled that a bit better, really.

Whisky Priestess

12:48 / 27.01.07

That conversation was interesting, in an uneasy way ... Dirk went on to imply that, come 2050, British (meaning white British) people would be outnumbered and ruled by teh British Indians because they (WB) couldn't get their asses into gear to have enough flaxen-haired children.

Not a problem they have in Montana, I'm guessing.

Perhaps he didn't mean it in that way, but it came across pretty uncomfortably, especially right after that interview.

19:52 / 27.01.07

Given the standards of 'British' behaviour Dirk has been witness to in the house, if I was the Face-man I would be fucking celebrating the demise of White Britain.

Still, I can see how it is a bit disturbing.

A small point:

"The situation had reached a crescendo and I was only going to make it worse," - Cleo

Cleo - a crescendo actually describes the process of building up a theme and making it louder in classical music. You cannot reach a crescendo because it isn't a fixed point, it's a movement.

Just sayin'.

19:57 / 27.01.07

Given the standards of 'British' behaviour Dirk has been witness to in the house, if I was the Face-man I would be fucking celebrating the demise of White Britain.

Maybe he is. It's difficult to know how the 'Indians have more kids thing' was meant. It didn't come across as straightforward TEH CAUCASIONS ARE DYYYING!!1

20:40 / 27.01.07

But I wonder how people might feel if someone other than Dirk had said it? If Danielle had said it, for instance?

20:44 / 27.01.07

But I wonder how people might feel if someone other than Dirk had said it? If Danielle had said it, for instance?

Differently, because her "why doesn't she fuck off home" has established Danielle as someone a little more less likely to make a neutral or positive statement about race. Dirk hasn't, to my knowledge, made these sorts of statements.

Every statement is informed by our previous experience of the person making it, isn't it?

20:49 / 27.01.07

Incidentally, is anyone watching Shilpa in Shaadi Karke Phas Gaya Yaar on Sky Cinema 1? I'm ashamed to say I've rarely had the patience to persist with a Bollywood romcom (romdram?) but knowing the lead actress is kind of drawing me in.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

21:08 / 27.01.07

But I wonder how people might feel if someone other than Dirk had said it? If Danielle had said it, for instance?

I missed this, so will probably actually see it tomorrow, (so everything following these parentheses may be bollocks) but the thing with Danielle, Jo et al is that comments and statements which MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE be taken as, well, dodgy in the extreme, have been part of a constant "drip, drip" which has led to any individual comment being seen in a much worse light. I believe the phrase is "having previous".

For example, if YOU were to post something which could be interpreted as being really, really dodgy racially, I'd be inclined to grant you a better interpretation, because my previous dealings with you have led me to believe that you're not likely to mean something that way. If Danielle were (God forbid) ever to join Barbelith, and said something that could be interpreted as being really, really dodgy racially, I'd be less inclined to extend her the same freedom of interpretation, given the other things I've heard her say.

21:24 / 27.01.07

I'm ashamed to say I've rarely had the patience to persist with a Bollywood romcom (romdram?) but knowing the lead actress is kind of drawing me in.

I have to say I've never been able to watch a Bollywood movie for any length of time, though having seen Shilpa on BB I'd certainly like to see her in something more mainstream.

Is the film any good?

21:39 / 27.01.07

Is the film any good?

It's been okay - and Shilpa herself is excellent. In the last fifteen minutes, the sexual politics have kinda appalled me, though...

21:49 / 27.01.07

It's making The Taming of the Shrew look like The Female Eunuch.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

08:48 / 28.01.07

OK, just watched Dirk's comments, and I have to say I didn't interpret them as being racist. "There'll be a Nehru as British prime minister soon... or a Gandhi..." doesn't really sound bad, unless you think there was something sinister about Gandhi.

09:29 / 28.01.07

Shifty eyes.

12:16 / 28.01.07

Gandhi had shifty eyes? I've always been suspicious of men in loin cloths, right enough.

15:25 / 28.01.07

Davina announced on CBBLB that the first eviction of the Final this evening will be a double eviction, then back to normal pattern. It worked to minimise the mob's fury at Jo's, so they're repeating the trick with Danielle. Might not work so well when she walks out with Jack.

15:34 / 28.01.07

She puts the Jo into

It was a JOKE!!1!1!

15:40 / 28.01.07

Also, the whole "I can't be racist, my second cousin once touched someone Indian" defence falls apart when said relative confirms that yes, she's racist.

17:11 / 28.01.07

Jo looks like she's having a good time in the photo though, doesn't she?

18:17 / 28.01.07

HfromSteps's Goodness Gracious Meisms were a tad cringey in the Chicken Fight reconstruction...

18:29 / 28.01.07

Ah well, I guess they'll be briefing Jack and Danielle during that quick break.

Sounds like Jack said, "we're absolutely hated" as they came down the steps, but that'd possibly be overly Selfawarian...

18:33 / 28.01.07

If Danielle could stop smirking for just a second, that might help her look sincerity.

18:36 / 28.01.07

I have to say, Danielle did that interview so much better than Jo did, fair play.

18:41 / 28.01.07

Yeah, Danielle came across better than Jo, for sure, but Davina's become progressively more marshmallow-like with each interview. It was kept mercifully short.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

18:46 / 28.01.07

Well, Danielle got a much easier time of it than Jo, to be fair.

18:50 / 28.01.07

A fair point from both of you there.

I think that the GBP is generally relatively forgiving - if someone says "yes, it's a fair cop, I was completely out of order, I can see that" and look genuinely sorry, and that they actually mean what they say, we tend to be quite magnanimous.

18:50 / 28.01.07

HfromSteps seemed pretty insightful while he was in the House. Let's see what he's sussed about The Racism Thing.

18:50 / 28.01.07

Enjoying the banter on the Guardian live eviction blog:

I'm wondering if Davina is going to take this hardening of her interview style to it's logical conclusion, having started out all cuddly but now moved on a tad. "So, you racist b*tch, not so smart now are you?" as she manhandles her over the barrier to the baying mob, adding for good measure, "And Teddy says fuck off too!"

18:53 / 28.01.07

I think that the GBP is generally relatively forgiving - if someone says "yes, it's a fair cop, I was completely out of order, I can see that" and look genuinely sorry, and that they actually mean what they say, we tend to be quite magnanimous.

Sure. I'm not entirely sure that Danielle had grasped it all to quite that extent, though. The fact that she'd previously been asked the same question in the Diary Room and answered, "to try not to be such a bitch" made me wonder to what extent she'd been subtly prepared for her exit interview.

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