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Battlestar Galactica Season Three

 
  

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Disco is My Class War
01:17 / 15.02.07
It's not just the retcon 'Previously's, though, is it. It's the deleted and/or bonus scenes they're now offering separately to the episodes themselves; it's the webisodes; it's the actual deleted scenes, that never appear; and then there's the commentary which functions, now, to pull all of those pieces together into what has to be regarded as the 'director's canon'.

I don't mind it always; I think they're doing something very similar to Lost's total internets marketing thing, but it's not so obviously about marketing.

And I think maybe I was blinded to the crappiness of the ep by the gratuitous shirtless Helo shots. On second watching, it does look pretty lame.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:34 / 15.02.07
I dislike 'previouslys' as they tend to function to help remove some of the surprise from the episode (see Buffy and/or Angel, where if the show was built around the surprise return of someone, say Spike or Drusilla, the previously would tend to helpfully remind you who Spike or Dru was, so that newbie viewers wouldn't go "I wonder who this is, I won't bother waiting to see if the script tells me, I'll just turn off right now".

Luckily BSG doesn't work like that, so it's not quite on that level, the previouslys tend to remind you of the theme that Galactica will be returning to this week after ignoring it for the last month or two (see the sudden return to the plot of baby Hera, or of the overcrowding on Galactica). But it's also unnecessary, if they have the time to put the scene in the 'previously' then they have the time to put it in the main show, so I don't quite get why this happened.

On the other hand, I do like the overcrowding idea. It's the one thing I remember from the original series that was less than utopian, while Adama had his state rooms there were ships on which people lived in overcrowded pens like animals.
 
 
sorenson
05:46 / 15.02.07
I did love the Helo shirtless scenes! That was the best thing about the whole episode. He is one sexy man. And I would love to see more of Helo and Athena's relationship - I agree that it has the potential to be much more complex and interesting than the boresome foursome.

I think what annoyed me about this episode was that it didn't tell me anything new, especially not about Helo. We've already had episodes about him going against the orthodoxy of the military/government and being right. I want to see his story line moved somewhere new and interesting. I think I am also a bit disappointed by the 'back to normal' feel of life on the fleet. I kind of expected that the fleet post-New Caprica would be really different somehow - I guess it is in some ways, but mostly it feels like it's back to the status quo.

Maybe my problem is just that I am obsessed with Six/Baltar and the grand narrative about the cylons and the hunt for earth and so I am impatient.

(and I do still love the show oh so much...)
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
12:33 / 19.02.07
so, new episode last night "A Day In The Life."

Kind of 'meh,' but it had an odd sort of lightness to it that made me smile. And I don't think this is what they were saying, but for most of the episode, my biggest internal thought was "Is Adama projecting? Does Mrs. Adama = Six if Adama = Baltar?"

The trapped in room-losing-air story was mostly boring, but that open space rescue was pretty intensely well done.
 
 
kowalski
23:11 / 19.02.07
Regarding the Mrs. Adama story, it adds interesting levels to a few other things in the show. Both Adama and Tigh married unstable blondes, and there's also now something Freudian (but not terribly revelatory) in Lee's relationships (Gianne, Shevon, Kara; exception Dualla).

Second, I had flashbacks to Shelley Godfrey and Adama on the couch in season one.

It bears observation that this show casts blonde women in a very specific spectrum of roles, and brunettes in another, with basically no overlap. While parts of this type-casting are present throughout much of our televised culture, it's been used in BSG with unusual breadth and dedication. While this provides an explorable visual key/motif/whatever that underlays the entire series, it's hard to be wholely comfortable with it.
 
 
calgodot
00:25 / 20.02.07
This show is beginning to feel like a soap opera written by adolescents. Next we're sure to be tormented with the spectacle of a lengthy and dubious trial of Balthar, where Caprica Six will testify that a gun was put to Balthar's head and that's why he signed the death warrants, so you can't hold it against him. Yawn. Perhaps the writers will be struck with the inspiration to make it like the Saddam trial, and we'll get some religious leader reciting poetry as they hang Balthar. (And then Balthar will wake up in the Cylon ship. Is he a Cylon? No - we cloned you while you were here and we thought we'd try to download you!)

Or no doubt they'll drive me to near madness with a torturous romance between Adama and Madame President - which spectacle I could have possibly enjoyed, especially since they've teased and nursed it along so well this season, only I've been brain damaged, perhaps permanently, but the tooth-pulling romance between Apollo and Starbuck. So if the Adama-Roslyn relationship is as 8th grade as the Starbuck-Apollo fiasco, then I'm afraid we'll be treated to more Battlestar 90210.

& were there any Cylons in that episode? Are the Cylons still hunting the humans? Are the humans at all concerned that deadly robots are stalking them? Because, and maybe I just missed something, I didn't here any body express worry about Cylons. They seem to have forgotten that there are human-looking Cylons among them. (Or did all those Cylons book it after the quagmire of New Caprica?)

The married couple in peril subplot - my stomach turns at the memory of it. The answer to the question, Can it get more annoying than Starbuck and Apollo staring at each other across a crowded room? Yes! It can.

This show is losing me. The episodes have lost focus, the through-line of the ongoing war with the Cylons is unraveling fast. Maybe the writers lack the imagination needed to explore other storylines, so all we get are more stories about romances. I seem to recall an active political and religious resistance to Roslyn and Adama, a vocal and growing religious movement, a vocal and somewhat free press, not to mention thousands of civilians (a million stories in the Naked City).

I also seem to recall a particularly ridiculous episode concerning the black market, and Apollo being in charge of that, having assassinated its previous head. Are we to believe that the black market no longer exists, that criminals saw the light after the debacle of New Caprica (where there was a black market). If anyone is watching HBO's Rome these days, you can see where the BSG writers might have taken Apollo's titular position w/r/t the criminal underground. Vorenus and Pullo have transpired great characters arcs, each change in their persona explained through the story; where they are today could not have been predicted, even at the end of last season. Many of BSG's characters are inexplicably behaving as if they've endured personality transplants - whatever changes they have experienced were not as arcs, but sudden shifts. Much of this may be explained by the "one year later" transition in the New Caprica storyline, but most of it is just due to sloppy writing. So sloppy they missed a glaring opportunity in this recent episode: the Chief's newfound religious fervor should have kicked in as he damn near died. Instead, the writers returned to their godsawful carping about family.

More Cylons, more war, less mooning over lost love. I'd love to see a few episodes where we got new characters, even if only to lose them later. The recent Doctor Death, for example: he shows up and I think, Evil. Had they played him for us a few episodes, I'd have thought: weird cranky bastard, holy shit! Evil!

I've said enough.
 
 
Planet B
01:19 / 20.02.07
Are the Cylons still hunting the humans? Are the humans at all concerned that deadly robots are stalking them? Because, and maybe I just missed something, I didn't here any body express worry about Cylons.

What, did you miss Lee's speech to his pilots about how 49 days without a Cylon sighting didn't mean frak-all???

Not a bad episode, but the problems I have continue. And I really, really hated how the Adama-Adama's wife story ended. "See you again next year." I would have much preferred to see him let it go and just plant one on the Prez.

There are far too many tortured plotlines that are almost never resolved. In many cases, they're never even brought up again. I need to go back and watch the first season (inlcuding miniseries) and see if I'm right about how many interesting ideas and threads have just been dropped over the years never to be thought of again.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
03:01 / 20.02.07
the dropping plotlines criticism probably won't bear a lot of fruit on re-watching, to be honest. they take A LONG TIME to get back to plots, but they definitely do. I can't think of one of the top of my head, and the ongoing mythology/main plot is my main interest in the story. episodes like this one make me batty cause they skip the main arc.

that said, I truly believe that all of these standalone character episodes really do flesh out the characters, and more importantly, inform their decisions and action during the uber-storyline episodes.

only a couple more weeks til 'maelstrom,' the supposed mega turning point episode.
 
 
Robert B
18:55 / 20.02.07
I've enjoyed the last two episodes but nowhere near as much as the occupation episodes. I'm hoping the Maelstrom kicks this season into a higher gear for a bit.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:53 / 21.02.07
I did like that episode, though I was sure they were going to kill Cally off. Their conflict was a bit weak though. Married couples fight. Big revelation.

The thing with Adama and his wife is interesting, it would have been nice if this happened six or seven episodes ago because it would have at least given a raison d'etre to Lee's bizarre and self-destructive impulse to fuck Kara. As it was there was never any reason why Lee would want to be with Starbuck, but if it's presented as him trying to save her from her destructive impulses because he couldn't save his Mum then I think that could have been a compelling and interesting arc.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
18:26 / 26.02.07
w00t f1rst post!!11!!11!52!

Okay, in this episode we find out that:

1) Baltar grew up as actor Ray Winstone.
2) As has been speculated, there are rich colonies (like Caprica and Saggitaron) and poor colonies (like Gemonon and Ray Winstone-Baltar's home of Areon, which 'as pubs and foitin', you slaags) Folks from rich colonies are getting plum jobs flying spaceships and being presidents, poor folks like Tyrol get to work in Victorian mills, which produce...
3) Sand. The fleet is powered by Sand. People eat algae and fly around in sand powered spaceships. This is Spongebob frakkin' Squarepants.
 
 
Hieronymus
18:45 / 26.02.07
Does anyone have a link to the details about Feb 25th episode? Wiki doesn't have squat currently.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
03:47 / 27.02.07
3) Sand. The fleet is powered by Sand. People eat algae and fly around in sand powered spaceships. This is Spongebob frakkin' Squarepants.

That was SPICE, dude. DOY! It comes from sandworms, but isn't actually sand. It's like, their poop.
 
 
Seth
13:35 / 01.03.07
Nice to have the algae mentioned again, although again it's as a footnote to material of much lesser interest. Here's hoping it will play a much larger role in Maelstrom.
 
 
thewalker
17:35 / 01.03.07
maybe it is the algae that dies in the maelstrom?

i thought for a second at the begining of last episode that president wassaface was gonna be the one dieing, when the ship hit her ship. would be a heck of a curveball for someone important to die at the start of an episode.

the algae did it.
 
 
sleazenation
17:40 / 01.03.07
3) Sand. The fleet is powered by Sand. People eat algae and fly around in sand powered spaceships. This is Spongebob frakkin' Squarepants.

Dude - it's not sand, it's SPICE. The algae want to use it to expand their consciousness and extend their life to a point where they can take over the fleet.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:58 / 02.03.07
Ugly bags of mostly water, do not discuss the ways of the algae unless you want to suffer the same fate as Deanna. Do you seriously think she was terminated for learning the faces of the final five? Foolish bags of mostly water, we already control the Cylon race!

The bio-ship we control enjoyed this episode, much to his surprise. We, of course, do not rate any episode in which the race of algae-people is not given equal time to that of you ugly bags of mostly water. Still, we did find momentary amusement that the bio-ship identified as 'red-hot cutie Gaius Baltar' appears to be turning into Karl Marx, albeit substituting 'aristocracy' for 'bourgouis'. We would suggest that should the bio-ship wish to fight for it's survival it adopts the 'one of the people' attitude more often, after all, it worked for bio-ship George W. Bush.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
12:36 / 02.03.07
Sleaze, I liked my spice answer better, I'm afraid.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
02:16 / 05.03.07
Uh....Maelstrom.

Hmmm. Hm.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
11:31 / 05.03.07
She is! She has to be! She's one of them!

(Otherwise my grief will be extreme, and will shit all over Adama's pathetic gesture with his model ship.)
 
 
Grey Cell
14:01 / 05.03.07
To my own surprise, I found myself not very shocked or saddened at all.

It was just like "OK, she was a great character, but this time she finally went off the deep end and died." Tragic, but it was bound to happen sooner or later.

Maybe I'm just suffering from Battlestar fatigue.

On the other hand, nice to see they keep tying things in with previous episodes, even from that long ago.

I'm curious to see how this will play out though. "She is one of them" seems likely, with all this talk about her destiny from Leoben and the oracle. There must be more to that than dying a tragic and unnecessary death...
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
14:41 / 05.03.07
Yeah, i'm firmly in the camp of "she's a cylon" after this... I suspect she will be back in the last 30 seconds of the season finale... which, i think, is 3 episodes from now.

I liked this episode quite a bit, actually.
 
 
Robert B
15:38 / 05.03.07
I liked this one as well. So, are they setting this up for the modern re-telling of the "Return of Starbuck" from the original series? I've never actually seen it but have seen it referenced before.
 
 
Tom Coates
18:53 / 05.03.07
There's definitely something going on. Whether or not she's a Cylon is another question, but in the meantime, I'm interested in other things. He's not Leoben. Maybe he's a human? It's happened before, it will happen again? Maybe she gets time to see the whole thing round again and avoid it next time? Maybe she'll sit between life and death now? All very interesting and very confusing. Not a great episode. Not a great series so far. But interesting enough for me to think it'll all come together in the next couple...
 
 
Grey Cell
20:46 / 05.03.07
"the "Return of Starbuck" from the original series"

The Return Of Starbuck was actually an episode from the abomination known as Galactica 1980. Unlike the rest of that series though, this particular episode won't make too many of your brain cells go into self-destruct mode.
 
 
Seth
03:52 / 06.03.07
Wow. Traumatised pilots meeting their childhood selves and abusive dead mothers and having mystical encounters in flight... if you're still watching Fat Lee, this is your Battlestar Galactica does Evangelion episode. The maelstrom on the planet is also a dead ringer for Eureka Seven's eye of the storm above the wall at the edge of the world.

By far the best episode of this series I've seen. I only hope that they know how to follow through on it like the aforementioned shows.
 
 
iamus
04:54 / 06.03.07
I'm still sticking by my theory of an as yet unrevealed third party.
 
 
Planet B
05:56 / 06.03.07
***SPOILERS

I'm rewatching this right now to see if maybe my assesment after the first viewing was off (IE, that this was one of the worst episodes they've made). I'm really surprised people liked it. There was little to no action. The connecting of plot was done like connect the dots, with nothing added in the process. I found myself not caring one way or the other. And I believe she is a cylon. But the whole episode was buildup for something that never happened. So Kara's destiny was to die? All the stuff about the mandala and there's nothing more to it than that's where she died? That's it? Bo-ring.
 
 
iamus
06:24 / 06.03.07
You are aware that wasn't the last ever episode, right?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:48 / 06.03.07
Hmm, at 39:28 on my Torrented version you can clearly see three ships on screen at the same time, Lee and Starbuck's vipers and another ship. So my guess is that it's this unknown third ship that blew up, or some marsh gas, and that Starbuck's viper was pinched by someone as yet unknown, possibly the final five, possibly the fracking Vorlons.

But at least they did sort of make it clear in the show that Leoben is just a creepy little pervert and nothing to do with Ambassador Kosh using his image to help Starbuck learn how to fight the Shadows. She'll be back but she'll only have twenty years to live.
 
 
sorenson
08:28 / 06.03.07
Did no one else notice that she had her hand on the eject lever by her seat? Was that indeed an eject lever? Anyway, my theory is that she ejected just before the explosion and was picked up by the mystery third ship. Who knows who is on that ship - Cylons I hope.

I very much doubt that Starbuck is gone from the series - maybe I am just in denial, but they don't have a history of killing off really main characters (except for the cylons, but they come back, except for D'anna but surely she'll reappear at some stage too?).

I liked this episode, but that's mainly because a) it featured Starbuck and b) it got back into the freaky mystical stuff. Now all I need is an episode with a lot of Six in it and I'll be back on track with BSG!
 
 
Tom Coates
08:36 / 06.03.07
Don't you only see the Cylon ship from Kara's perspective, even when it appears past Apollo's Viper?

I'm glad someone brought up the creepiness of the Leoben sex scenes and Kara's fantasies about him. Clearly I understand that self destructive people can have quite weird fantasy lives but for a while during the episode it felt a bit like they were saying she somehow liked or was 'asking for it' whch I had significant trouble with. Not sure it makes much difference it not being him but I'm interested in everyone's perspective on that.

Otherwise I'm definitely still looking forward to a significant revelation before the season ends. For a while I thought the planet's Maelstrom was some kind of portal but that was clarly wrong. Now I'm thimkimg of the Cylons as Olympians and wondering if some Cylons were seeded into the human population and whether Kara is really Athena to Six's Aphrodite.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:00 / 06.03.07
Tom Clearly I understand that self destructive people can have quite weird fantasy lives but for a while during the episode it felt a bit like they were saying she somehow liked or was 'asking for it' whch I had significant trouble with.

Or that yes, he's abusing her, but with her best interests at heart. I suspect that line might have been dropped in at the last minute, or possibly the writing staff have been sent on sensitivity training after the stuff with Gina last season.

But yeah, there's any number of ways she can be brought back.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
10:45 / 06.03.07
Sometimes I really wish that the Vorlons would make an appearance in the Galactiverse. They could really use some of that silent, passive-aggressive, withholding form of wisdom.

The chances of Starbuck reappearing seem slim, I have to say. It looks like Katee Sackhoff's contract actually ended with this episode; the production crew just kept it under very tight wraps. (There may be an exception -- she may turn up as one of the Final Five on the stand at Baltar's trial.)

Bastards.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
12:02 / 06.03.07
i think Sackhoff is done with production for the rest of the season, but I am not aware that "her contract is up." Perhaps she is no longer a regular cast member, but will be a guest star ala Zarek and Ellen and Cavil...
 
  

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