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Battlestar Galactica Season Three

 
  

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PatrickMM
20:32 / 26.01.07
I thought the implication of the Cylon meeting scene at the beginning was that D'Anna was a unique individual, that's why they referred to her by name rather than as Three.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
01:48 / 27.01.07
Why don't any of the other models take names, or individual names?

Caprica Six and Boomer are 'war heroes'?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
02:23 / 27.01.07
Well, Boomer has a name because she was "undercover," and, yeah, Caprica because she is a war hero, I suppose. What's odd is Baltar must know her by a specific name from their original time on Caprica (the planet)... but we've never been told what he knew her as. And it certainly wasn't Shelley Godfrey.
 
 
sleazenation
11:17 / 27.01.07
On boxing...

It strikes me as logical that if all the cylons know about boxing and discuss it as the ultimate sanction, then it must have happened at some point in the past. There being 12 models of cylon and us having seen 7 of them, this just leaves the final five. They (or any subset of them) could have been boxed, except that it is being heavily implied that the final five are still out there.

We also don't know how boxing works, whether it's a oneway process and whether or not there is a big red button that does for all cylons of a particular model at once. Isn't there still meant to be a De'anna amongst the fleet? I don't think she died in that season 2 episode, but can't quite recall.

As for names, isn't it all part of the mortality process? The cylons start of standardized and homogenous but the different experiences they have change them, chief amongst these is the actual download process. We've heard that the process becomes less pleasent with repetition, couldn't it be that the downloading process is what marks individual cylons out as, well, individuals.

Cylons that haven't been killed are a clean slate and more part of the consensus than the ones that have downloaded a lot.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:30 / 27.01.07
It would make sense to think that she rejoined the Cylons when they occupied New Caprica, as mentioned up-thread it would be difficult to accept that any of the known models have managed to infiltrate the fleet, having been seen walking around on New Caprica.

Does anyone know if Lucy Lawless wanted to leave or whether the producers felt her story was done or even, gasp, that this isn't the end for Deanna?
 
 
Robert B
03:58 / 29.01.07
Not too impressed with tonight's episode... though Rosalin is total hard-ass. Baltar is much more interesting aboard Galactica than with the Cylons. Totally bored with the love rectangle with Apollo, Starbuck, et al. Hopefully that plot thread will retired for awhile.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
10:05 / 29.01.07
Wait for the episode 'Maelstrom' in a couple of weeks then- something major happens and every indication says it happens to one of those four.
Anyway, 'Taking a break from all your worries'. Well, it did what it set out to do I guess. Having a bar on Galactica is a nice idea (you think Adama knows about it or that it's a space speakeasy? Also, the Colonials seem to have independently developed the hallmarks of any technologically advanced civilization: Whiskey and Light Jazz). The Love Quadrangle is getting far too much play, but, as we saw on Algae Planet, it can set up some interesting situations (interesting except for an almost complete lack of Algae or Algae-related topics- note to Ron and Dave: give the people what they want, more microscopic sea fauna).
 
 
Seth
11:04 / 29.01.07
It didn't even get a mention last week, did it?

You'd have thought they could spare a couple of seconds for a poignant last algae death scream as billions die when their home planet is destroyed. Echoing into space...

But no. Callous fucker Ron Moore. I rue the day.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:31 / 29.01.07
the 3 things i like about this episode:

1. The bar - felt like an actual bar.
2. Baltar's interrogation - I was really impressed with Adama's wacked out method, in contrast to the really boring pain-through-fingertips way that D'Anna tried.
3. The bonus scene with Caprica Six...the long version that is on the website is really excellent, and points to an interesting trial possibility.

And yes, hopefully the Quadrangle of Staring is finally laid to rest.
 
 
calgodot
20:12 / 29.01.07
The bar - felt like an actual bar.

Not any bar I've ever eaten, drank, vomited or slept in. Particularly not like any bar where a lot of military folk congregate. The whole bartender-with-a-personality-of-gold thing is perhaps the biggest bar cliché in the thrilling screenwriting sub-genre of Bar Scenes. The dialog between Apollo and Tyrol was in my view not only unrealistic but stilted as well. (Re: realistic - I dunno - maybe you guys get together in bars and talk about your relationships. Not me. I go to a bar to drink and not deal with my relationships.)

hopefully the Quadrangle of Staring is finally laid to rest.

Holy Krishna Buddha and Jesus, amen, huzzah, & so mote it be to that. I would rather they bring back Boxie than be tortured by another minute of what has to be the worst love triangle (quadrangle? parallelogram?) in the history of television. I would rather they devote an entire episode to Adama making a speech than endure more of the crappy dialog between those four characters.

Tell me: if you were Anders, would you not just kick the shit out of Apollo? I mean, he's not fleet so he has no worries about rank. Maybe Apollo is no longer pastry puff boy but now ripped hard and mean (and is he still suicidal, or marriage, against all odds, cure him of his deathwish?), but certainly guerilla soldier athlete ass-kicker Anders can take that pretty boy.

I didn't enjoy this episode at all. The soap opera romance just bores the wits out of me. And the interrogation of Baltar held little suspense for me. I was hoping Gaeta had properly shivved the bastard, truth be told. The trial may be interesting. One wonders what's up between Caprica Six and Madame President.

What this show has too much of: the interpersonal shit.

What this show doesn't have enough of: Space Battles, my friends. Space battles. (And kinky Cylon threeways.)
 
 
Planet B
00:18 / 30.01.07
Re: realistic - I dunno - maybe you guys get together in bars and talk about your relationships. Not me. I go to a bar to drink and not deal with my relationships.

Well, after just hearing my buddy ask his two married friends for relationship advice at the bar last friday, I'd have to disagree. Seemed somewhat realistic, though if I were Tirol I would have told Apollo to mind his own frakkin' business.

hopefully the Quadrangle of Staring is finally laid to rest.

A-greed. End it already. And really, what did ever happen to emo cutter Apollo? I love how they just dropped that whole thing. One of your top two characters is suicidal and nothing is said about it for over a season-plus. Way to keep those thru-lines, writers.

The trial may be interesting. One wonders what's up between Caprica Six and Madame President.

I think the trial could be interesting too, but too often there is buildup with no resolution in this series.

I also wonder about the torture of Baltar. Because, quite honestly, I'm beginning to think he's the most sympathetic character in the whole series. Now Adama and Roslin are becoming what Cain was. There are almost no characters that seem to have a moral code that they've held throughout the series, and that goes double for the doctor now that he's helping torture people.

Not that the psychology of the torture scene wasn't interesting. It was, but it seemed like another example of destroying plot and character continuity for some pretty visuals.

I can practically hear the ratings dropping. If I werent' so invested from watching every episode of BSG ever (both series), then I know I wouldn't be watching any more.

I actually just happened on an episode of Andromeda the other day (a show I've never really watched) and sat there at the end thinking, "Man, that's what BSG should be like."

As I've said many times, it's amazing how many dropped stories and ideas they've just discarded in this series without ever picking them up and building on them. I've also been buying some Y: The Last Man comic collections lately, and reading that whole series. Seeing how the story builds and comes back to ideas and people that were introduced early on in ways we never would guess. Why can't BSG do that? Does the corporate grind of producing TV preclude it? Or did they never really have a story to tell?
 
 
Seth
04:49 / 30.01.07
Hey all you Johnny-come-latelies to the BSG hating. Just want to be smug and remind you that sleaze and I were there first. Can't speak for him but having lowered my expectations and turned my brain off I'm really enjoying this show again. Just wanted you to know that you all look so cute from where I am now.

Algae!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:50 / 30.01.07
I really enjoyed the Baltar storyline, especially the bit where Roslin loses it completely and orders him to be thrown out of an airlock. I can just about accept that they think he might have useful information about the Cylons, I don't buy that the only thing they are interested in is how much the Cylons know about Earth, though the fact that they captured him on the Algae Planet might clue them in to the idea that he doesn't know much more than them. Did they not think the Cylons wouldn't have worried about the Temple if they already knew the information it contained?

But how much did the B Story suck? It seemed as though it was scripted by someone who didn't see the last two episodes, faced with the possibility of finally getting Kara isn't when Lee should start worrying that she'll leave him, that's before YOU BOTH START SHAGGING ONE ANOTHER BEHIND YOUR PARTNERS BACKS! And I can't understand what either character sees in each other any way. Just because Lee went with prostitutes for an episode in season two does not mean he'd want anything to do with the human car crash that is Kara Thrace. I can buy that they'd both get drunk and screw like in 'Scar' or in flashbacks a few episodes ago, but tempermentally I can't believe he'd even be attracted to her, much less want a relationship. I wish the writers would stop trying to sell us this fan-fic as actual character development.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
03:42 / 31.01.07
Once again, I can agree with the haters. My God, would they stop with the Boring Love Square crap. It's like they think the shippers are the only fans. Either that, or Ron Moore and co are using this as an excuse to work out some issues of their own around 'marriage'.

(Do people who are married really say 'marriage' and 'wife' and 'husband' and 'our marriage' and 'I married you' all the time in arguments like Dee and Lee, or Kara and Sam? Surely not.)

On the other hand, I like that everyone's sympathies are now with Baltar. Yet another about-face. Cool. Planet B, haven't you figured out yet that the 'continuity' on this show is that no-one has a stable moral code, no-one is clean, and that decisions about ethics are always freakin' messy? Baltar signed a death warrant for Roslin. As far as she knew before this episode, he did it willingly, in full collaboration. Of course she's not going to be fair and reasonable after that.

The Gaeta/Baltar fan squads are now squeeing all over the nets about the 'Whisper of Doom'. Awesome. Next week: Baltar has a SHAVE.

(This is something I really wondered about when Baltar was on the Cylon base star. The other male Cylons are all clean-shaven. If Boomer could get pregnant, surely male Cylons have to shave. So why didn't they let Baltar borrow a razor? Am I being picky, wanting that to be explained? Score one for the bad continuity haterz camp, I guess.)
 
 
PatrickMM
05:29 / 31.01.07
No, Baltar can't shave! He must look like Jesus. And, while the love square is troubling, I thought the Baltar stuff was so good it made the episode on the whole one of the better ones. The love square is basically white noise at this point, wasn't it four episodes ago they were all standing around staring at each other? Now they're back doing the same. Yet, if you watch the promos, you'd believe that's all the series was about.
 
 
sleazenation
06:22 / 31.01.07
But did anyone believe, even for a moment that they actually would chuck Baltar out an airlock?

Having Baltar locked in a room with Tigh, contemplating the mutilation of his pretty face as has already occured to Tigh seemed, I don't know, both more dramatic and somehow more convining. Does Baltar need his left hand?
 
 
thewalker
06:51 / 31.01.07
gotta say, not sure if it has been mentioned yet,

i am a couple of episodes behind, catching up damn quick though.

the boxing episode was ok, but a bit weak compared to most episodes, totally worth watching however for the sight of adama and rosalin getting high on new caprica superskunk.


i didnt see that coming
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
12:59 / 12.02.07
so, this latest episode should probably be rated on a special "better or worse than Black Market" scale. For the first time in this show, I've felt like this was a really-bad-how-did-this-air? episode. It was thoroughly pointless, badly written, and felt like the actors were sort of sleeping through their parts. wtf?

I'm continually amazed at how thoroughly the writers don't give the audience what they want. They've shown time and time again that they can do the heavy drama and character pieces while propelling the plot forward... instead they turn in this meandering bit of Star Trek.

And next week looks even worse: the ole "people locked in a room which is losing air!"

Oh well, at least the hype is big for further episodes.
 
 
Hieronymus
13:41 / 12.02.07
Yeah, having caught up myself, I'm really getting tired of the same phoned-in writing. More eloquent folks than I have written about this, but the whole Starbuck/Apollo thing had me doing a doubletake, thinking I was crazy for having seen that episode once, twice, hell four fucking times already. The same look over their partner's shoulder.

Christ.

It's odd how Lost compares to BSG for the better. Even in their more meandering moments, they can do a solid portrait of a character in one episode 10x better than BSG can do over an entire season.

Shit better start tightening up soon.
 
 
Robert B
15:32 / 12.02.07
Hmm... I actually like last night's episode. Helo is one of my favorite characters though which has probably biased me.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
18:23 / 12.02.07
Okay, SPOILERS from here on out...












Why the fuck, frak if you'd prefer, is Six (is that Caprica Six?) seeing a Baltar in her head? I mean, jeee-e-e-e-sus. I don't know if I was pleasantly surprised that the writers would go there or shocked that... that they would go there.
Also, Head Baltar isn't as well dressed as Reality Baltar. That suit- blech!
 
 
Robert B
18:34 / 12.02.07
I thought she had been seeing him for awhile? Plus, there was the episode where it was shown that they see reality any which way they choose just by imagining it... or something to that effect.
 
 
sorenson
21:58 / 12.02.07
You know what? I was just simply...bored. Which, considering the reason that I loved this show was the way it kept me on the edge of my seat, is more disappointing than almost anything else it could have been.

More of imaginary Gaius please.
 
 
Planet B
00:04 / 13.02.07
I, too, think we've seen Baltar in Six's head before though not recently.

It looks like next week's episode (which might be a third out of air episode for this series, almost as bad as the first series there) will be the one where the shark is officially jumped.
 
 
iamus
02:23 / 13.02.07
We first saw Baltar's Six in that episode on Caprica where she's asked by D'anna to help rehabilitate Boomer.

My personal fanwank theory is that these two are the modern analogues of the Seraphs, and they're keeping Baltar and Six walking an important middle line between the two sides.
 
 
iamus
02:23 / 13.02.07
Six's Baltar, that should be...
 
 
Disco is My Class War
14:35 / 13.02.07
sorenson, you were bored? Noes!!

I really liked the episode, although I felt the usual slight annoyance with how some bits of it seemed to have been cut. Man, they couldn't have introduced the doctor last week, so we had more than a second to adjust to a new character who seemed to be good but was really... evil? What a great line in one-dimensional characterisation.

Okay, enough with the bitching. Helo with yer sexy uniform and yer sexy singlet and yer sexy lying around yer apartment in yer sexy tracksuit pants and yer sexy need to always be the people's champion. And yer conflicted desire to look after Sharon but not fall into line with her conflicted desire to fit in... They are the interesting couple, forget the boresome foursome.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:18 / 14.02.07
... The fuck? Who replaced the cast with a bunch of racist shits? When a script requires that even people like Admiral Adama and Athena say lines which suggest they consider other human beings to be less than human, then that should set alarm bells ringing as to the quality of the script. And why haven't these Jehova's Wi-Sagittarans been mentioned before? Roslin at least took seriously whichever sect it was (the Pyleans?) who were against abortion, I know the military view things differently and I'd expect Tigh to have his head up his arse but it's ridiculous that everyone's badmouthing them except Lee. And Cottle isn't an arse, he should have caught on to what was happening a lot quicker than the plot let him. And didn't Ron Moore mention in a previous podcast that this story was come up with some time ago but moved back to this place in the season (due to the fact the refugees come aboard, it's not really touched upon for five or six episodes and then this week is all about the refugees?) so you think they could have made some effort to build to this, mentioning the Sagitarans and their beliefs (whatever they are, they aren't explained here) and the doctor. If they are building through the episodes to Baltar's trial they could have built up to this.

I'm hoping when I rewatch this with the podcast that Ron Moore spends the entire episode apologising for it, as he did last season with Black Market.
 
 
Make me Uncomfortable
14:54 / 14.02.07
I think that it could have been a really strong episode if it had been couched a little better in the context of the rest of the season. I wasn't even aware that Helo was "Mayor of DogTown" until the beginning of the episode, or even that "DogTown" existed. When did it show up? When they got everyone off of New Caprica? When they squeezed everyone into the well-shielded ships to get through the nebula? And where did that "Civilian Doctor In Charge of All Medical Stuff for Civilians" show up? Why was he never shown on Caprica? All of this stuff could have been at least name-dropped a few shows back. More and more, I see pieces of the "Previously on Battlestar Galactica" preamble and say "hey, I don't think I ever saw that happen"- they must be filming much longer episodes than they air, or at least doing really strange re-edits during the "Previously" part, because I keep feeling like I'm missing two episodes that never existed (or in the case of the boresome foursome, watching the same episode over and over and over).

All that said, BSG is the fine fine powder that flows through my bloodstream and keeps me happy, and I will never say bad things about it ever because it loves me. It hurts me with bad episodes BECAUSE it loves me.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:03 / 14.02.07
Yeah, the bit in the 'Previously', when Helo was made mayor, that's not been seen before, right?
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
16:18 / 14.02.07
Correct-a-frakkin'-mundo. It was a retcon.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
17:08 / 14.02.07
i don't think it was so much of a retcon as a deleted scene from a prior episode they couldn't fit in. i've seen it happen a couple times before.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:56 / 14.02.07
So next week the 'previously' could show the Cylons building a fake Baltar android and you'd be okay with that?
 
 
Seth
22:44 / 14.02.07
So next week the 'previously' could show the Cylons building a fake Baltar android and you'd be okay with that?

Let's treat unseen previously material as a newish convention. What are the pros and cons?
 
 
Make me Uncomfortable
22:55 / 14.02.07
New to us "Previously" material

Just the first few things that come to mind:

Pros-
Makes it much easier for writers if episodes get pushed around during the season, delayed, etc.
"Previously" segments in general are real helpful if you missed an episode. Not that missing an episode should ever be a problem anymore, what with iTunes, BitTorrent, etc.

Cons-
Confusing as all hell. Makes you feel like you "missed something" from previous episodes, or maybe missed an entire episode!
It's an outright lie- what was "previously, on BSG"... wasn't. Not to us.
It's sloppy, and reflects poorly on the show, and the writer's ability, which up until now have been really good.
Turns the "Previously" into part of the episode, rather than optional review. This may seem a little tenuous, but when you are used to dl the show and purposly skimming through the first few minutes to get to the actual content, it's not cool when those normally empty minutes actually contain vital info. Again, its sloppy.
 
  

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