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"Heroes" Series 1 (US and Torrents edition)

 
  

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Kali, Queen of Kitteh
13:19 / 20.10.06
So I'm guessing that when Creepy Glasses and Bald Telepath came across Niki and Nathan asleep in bed, said "Just take one of them," Bald Telepath chose Nathan.

A high profile politician. (????)

In terms of secrecy, wouldn't you take the single mom?
 
 
Spaniel
17:00 / 20.10.06
Yeah, I mean Peter. I'm getting confused.

Because that's exactly how he described his power this past episode...

Did he, maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention (it happens), but didn't he just hypothesise that he needs to be around other supers for his flight power to work?

Thinking about it, that sounds a bit silly. I think I could well have missed something there.
 
 
Spaniel
17:02 / 20.10.06
Two flying supers would be a little redundant, and I see Peter as having a major role in upcoming events, the kind of role that might require more than just the ability to swoop and soar.
 
 
Psi-L is working in hell
17:16 / 20.10.06
IIRC, Peter was taking Suresh to Isaac's to prove that he could see the future when he was near him...I'm a little unclear as to when Peter found out that that's what Issac did, and, as I said earlier, when he realised that he also had seen the future...but I think that might be just me not paying attention, for the former at least.

Thinking about this further, if Peter did see the future after he'd met Issac (as he says in the last episode), it suggests that his power ,is perhaps a draining of other people's rather than having to be near them specifically at the time he is manifesting them also.

Agree with you though Boboss, I think the is going to turn out to be one of the most important of the Heroes.
 
 
Spaniel
17:29 / 20.10.06
It seems to me that if Sylar has a host of abilities it'll take a guy with the ability to mimic those abilities to take him out. Perhaps that's how he gets his scar?
 
 
Spaniel
17:34 / 20.10.06
I think the is going to turn out to be one of the most important of the Heroes.

His leading man good looks aside (and let's make no mistake, they're important), I'm trying to lock down exactly why I think that. It probably has something to do with his caterpillar becomes a butterfly routine, his enthusiasm for the world of superduperpowers, his relationship with a politician (and how that's bound to put him in the frame in some way) and the fact that his team-up with Mohinder seems to cement him as a character who will be instrumental in bringing the powers together.
 
 
grant
17:44 / 20.10.06
I was reading his meeting with Hiro as happening in the way it did because he was able to get unstuck in time like Hiro.
 
 
Spaniel
17:56 / 20.10.06
Could be onto summut there
 
 
Psi-L is working in hell
18:13 / 20.10.06
Another thing just ocurred to me...Hiro says to Peter, "you look different without your scar", which would suggest that however Peter gets it (agree Sylar sounds likely) this will happen before he meets Hiro in this timeframe? So sometime soon methinks?
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
18:29 / 20.10.06
It seems to me that if Sylar has a host of abilities it'll take a guy with the ability to mimic those abilities to take him out. Perhaps that's how he gets his scar?

I completely agree with this. The most unlikely hero will become the champion.
 
 
Spaniel
18:48 / 20.10.06
Well, that might be Hiro. He's a very unlikely hero, but he's also a total badass (potentially).
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
19:04 / 20.10.06
Yes, but Hiro and the others have a singular power. The potential that Peter could absorb the others' power--and especially as this relates to Sylar--his destiny seems greater.

I really thought I had him pegged as a villain. Damn.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
19:10 / 20.10.06
TWoP is having fun with the recaps. Read 'em.
 
 
gridley
19:38 / 20.10.06
Another thing just ocurred to me...Hiro says to Peter, "you look different without your scar", which would suggest that however Peter gets it (agree Sylar sounds likely) this will happen before he meets Hiro in this timeframe? So sometime soon methinks?

Or just that future Hiro has known Peter longer with the scar than without it.
 
 
Spaniel
19:43 / 20.10.06
Yep
 
 
Spaniel
19:48 / 20.10.06
Actually I don't think Hiro has been set up quite that way either. Peter goes from a life with no direction or hope, and, through an act that that functions on two levels - a suicide attempt and a leap of faith - to flying high. Of course the creators go to great pains to demarcate the before and after of Pete's life through his relationship with whatshername.

So, yeah, he's the caterpillar to butterfly guy in terms of narrative arc.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
20:04 / 20.10.06
Again, the ones we think least likely are the ones who will change the future.

I am a bit irritated with how long they are taking to introduce D.L., though.
 
 
Spaniel
20:09 / 20.10.06
Who's DL? Should I know? If not, don't tell me.
 
 
Hieronymus
20:34 / 20.10.06
Aw hell. Now I know who Hiro reminds me of.
Takashi.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
10:19 / 21.10.06
MILDLY SPOILERY EP4:

Serieswise it makes sense that Peter just flails around trying to prove himself, but I'm not sure what going to see Isaac would have accomplished in terms of proving he has powers. He obviously doesn't glom off the painting skill.

"Look! I've made a stick-figure sketch of something that may or may not happen somewhere on the planet within the next eight to ten weeks! POWERS!"
 
 
Spaniel
11:22 / 21.10.06
I haven't read that but if it's a proper spoiler as opposed to something revealed in a teaser trailer it really shouldn't be in this thread.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
12:22 / 21.10.06
Is anyone else reading the online comic? I don't really get on well with reading comics on a screen, scrolling around the page, but although it's pretty insubstantial narrative-wise, it does give a bit of a post-script to (for instance) Claire's carcrash, and I quite like the slightly cartoony art.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
12:33 / 21.10.06
Actually I prefer the Tim Sale stuff here

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Really nice and immediately recognisable. His version of Nathan looks quite a look like... his Daredevil, I think, from "Yellow".

I'd wondered, in fact, whether Sale had any involvement in these new mosaic serial shows, as his long-term comics collaborator Jeph Loeb seems to be executive producer on a couple.
 
 
X-Himy
13:29 / 21.10.06
Peter could have inherited the ability to paint the future, but none of the talent. Isaac has art talent (though looking at the 9th Wonders comic, I disagree). Imagine how frustrating that is. And no one else might know what his stick figures are, but he will know instinctively.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
13:39 / 21.10.06
Yeah, just because you can temporarily absorb someone's powers doesn't mean they work exactly as they do for that person.
 
 
X-Himy
13:55 / 21.10.06
That is standard comics operating procedure for defeating a power absorber (and body stealers). They can take your power, but don't know how to use it as well as the original wielder.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
14:36 / 21.10.06
True: they usually just don't have the imagination and the experience. Flash, for instance, has lived with and been trained about the Speed Force ~ he has the "Flash Facts" learned from the previous incarnation. If I suddenly inherited the Speed Force, I'd probably vibrate into the middle of a brick wall or shoot off at the speed of sound into the path of a juggernaut.
 
 
X-Himy
18:04 / 21.10.06
And that's my feeling on this show, which suddenly picked up much more on the fourth ep. For those of us that are comic fans, or at least have more than a passing knowledge of comics, there are certain tropes, certain expectations, certain obvious solutions to big problems. Sylar actually a Peter from the future that has already absorbed Hiro's power permanently? That's the simplest thing in the world. And the only solution to that is an earlier version of Peter, before he goes to the dark side, time paradoxes be damned, is an obvious solution (see Iron Lad or whatever in Young Avengers).

And despite some mainstream stuff on evil multiple personality disorders (see Fight Club, Primal Fear), this isn't what most people know. I often think that comics fandom overestimate what the mainstream knows about our hobby. I doubt they could separate Oliver Queen from Green Arrow, if they even know who Green Arrow is.

We can argue that Heroes is ripping ideas from the comics, or that the plotlines and solutions are obvious. But I think they are only obvious to those that have a modicum of comics experience.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
22:55 / 21.10.06
That's a really appealing idea ~ that this is a series that comics geeks will be able to suss out and problem-solve in a way "mundanes" (lol) wouldn't know how to... that various narrative devices and character traits will be obvious to us, and have immediate significance & resonance, or challenge our very specific collective intelligence (what are the limits of Rogue's abilities; what are the drawbacks to a power like Amazo's; what were the implications when Animal Man came back with a warning from the future).
 
 
Triplets
23:19 / 21.10.06
I doubt they could separate Oliver Queen from Green Arrow, if they even know who Green Arrow is.

My brother once asked why Wolverine wasn't on Justice League Unlimited and he's up on X-Men Evolution etc. It was a perfectly reasonable question.

Why isn't Logan in the Justice League?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
09:43 / 22.10.06
Am I being dense ~ why would you separate Oliver Queen and Green Arrow?
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
10:49 / 22.10.06
In the above-linked "value stamps," what the dickens is Uluru?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
13:24 / 22.10.06
Wasn't there an issue of Planetary where Uluru/Ayer's Rock woke up and became a kind of stone golem?
 
 
Spaniel
17:33 / 22.10.06
Yeah, but somehow I don't think that'll be happening on Heroes.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:35 / 22.10.06
It does look like a rock golem, though.
 
  

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