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Big Brother 2006

 
  

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Alex's Grandma
23:10 / 24.05.06
Mr F;

I think that your feelings about Nikki are basically OK (according to last Sunday's 'Star' she is quite the wild one!) just so long as you don't bottle it up, the anger, the rage, and then try to find her in ten years time. Nobody wants that.
 
 
Smoothly
23:21 / 24.05.06
Have to say, though, I'm not getting the Sezer-hate to the same extent as some others here.

I think maybe it's a straight thing, Ganesh. He seems to be a wearily familiar nightmare to lots of straight women I know ('short man syndrome' gets mentioned a lot), and I think his oily cheesiness and his lack of interest in talking to other men (about anything other than who he wants to bang) alienates men like me.
Not that I think Vern or even George are much more appealing.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:25 / 24.05.06
Firstoff, I don't think Richard's trying to position himself as Big Daddy. I think it's happening by default, but I don't think he's wildly happy to be in that role. I also think he had a good few tries at re-integrating Shahbaz.

Not sure on the "positioning" thing, but afaict Richard is actually a humungous cock. Late afternoon/early evening today, when Dawn was talking about her request to leave with the other HMs, he kept saying stuff like "so when are you leaving?". Everyone else- even fucking Nikki, ferfucksakes!- was all "are you sure you want to do this?"

Yes, Shahbaz was a fucking dick. And yes, I do think he deserved pretty much everything he got. But Richard delivered it with such glee that I'd gladly see him eaten by a bear. It was almost like he was happy someone was being such a dick so he had an opportunity to do that!

Hmm. Now Richard's being nice to Dawn. I have no idea what to make of this.
 
 
Ganesh
23:28 / 24.05.06
I guess I've also been quite impressed, a couple of times, by Sezer making some quite incisive comments during the Shahbaz farrago - managing to stand his ground without being unnecessarily inflammatory.

But yeah, you might be onto something there, Weaving. My straight colleagues - particularly my straight male colleagues - are his most outspoken haterzzz. Personally, I found George's phrase "top spec bitch" far more objectionable than anything Sezer's come out with.

I am finding the two 'golden couples' (rich, beautiful) dull as ditchwater, though.
 
 
Ganesh
23:40 / 24.05.06
when Dawn was talking about her request to leave with the other HMs, he kept saying stuff like "so when are you leaving?". Everyone else- even fucking Nikki, ferfucksakes!- was all "are you sure you want to do this?"

Wasn't his approach something along the lines of "she's a grown woman, leave her to make up her own mind?" Which I can see, particularly after a week of Shahbaz's I'm-leaving-persuade-me-not-to bollockery. I'm pretty big on calling people's bluff on this sort of thing - or, at least, giving them space to sort it out themselves - so I suppose I'm less inclined to see his words here as reprehensible.

Yes, Shahbaz was a fucking dick. And yes, I do think he deserved pretty much everything he got. But Richard delivered it with such glee that I'd gladly see him eaten by a bear. It was almost like he was happy someone was being such a dick so he had an opportunity to do that!

Shahbaz was more than a dick, he was a systematic alienator of everyone in the House, not least those who'd made an effort to help him not be a hated outsider. He persistently shat on those who'd patiently offered him second, third, fourth, fifth chances. When someone goes all out to wear people down to that extent, it is a pleasure to finally stop extending one's hand to be bitten and start with the slappy hand of slappiness. With Richard, there was the added element of homodom; I suspect part of his loathing of Shahbaz may have reflected deeply-buried insecurities/fears connected with his own gayness and how it/he might be perceived by others.

Hmm. Now Richard's being nice to Dawn. I have no idea what to make of this.

I don't suppose he was being horrible to her to be horrible. I suspect he was impatient with (what might well be viewed as) manipulative "I'm leaving" threats - and now those threats aren't a current issue, he's fine with her.
 
 
The Falcon
23:46 / 24.05.06
I think that your feelings about Nikki are basically OK (according to last Sunday's 'Star' she is quite the wild one!) just so long as you don't bottle it up, the anger, the rage, and then try to find her in ten years time. Nobody wants that.

No, no - the sooner the better, I always say.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:05 / 25.05.06
Wasn't his approach something along the lines of "she's a grown woman, leave her to make up her own mind?"

Not the way I saw it, no. He was doing exactly what I, and I bet most people here, do when they're glad someone's leaving but don't really want to say so. There was a real element of "didn't you say you ABSOLUTELY HAD TO get the last bus?" to him this afternoon/evening.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
00:10 / 25.05.06
SLEAZER
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:10 / 25.05.06
I don't suppose he was being horrible to her to be horrible. I suspect he was impatient with (what might well be viewed as) manipulative "I'm leaving" threats - and now those threats aren't a current issue, he's fine with her.

Except that he was also quite happy to join Nikki in slagging her off in the diary room before the threats were made.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
00:11 / 25.05.06
Sorry, that relates to live on C4, watching Sezer.
 
 
Ganesh
00:14 / 25.05.06
He was doing exactly what I, and I bet most people here, do when they're glad someone's leaving but don't really want to say so. There was a real element of "didn't you say you ABSOLUTELY HAD TO get the last bus?" to him this afternoon/evening.

Or, alternatively, what I, and I bet at least some people here, do when they reckon someone's saying "I'm going to do X" in the hope of provoking a barrage of "oh no, PLEASE don't do X" as a sort of how-loved-am-I test. For what it's worth, I think he'd probably be (mostly) wrong to make that assessment of Dawn but, after a week of Shahbaz's manipulative self-destruction, I can't bring myself to blame him for getting snippy when the next thirtysomething adult appears to be doing the same thing.

For some reason, Richard makes me think of my time working on a post-overdose ward, assessing people who'd self-harmed the night before. When one's tenth cry-for-helper of the day says, "if you discharge me, I'll kill myself", one really is tempted to say, "fine, just remember cut up and down rather than across, and don't make the mistake of telephoning for an ambulance this time".
 
 
Sniv
00:18 / 25.05.06
Yea, isn't he horrible. I wish i could take control of Imogen telepathically, and make her jab her elbow forcibly into his face, the way he's hanging on to he. Literally in her pockets. Slimy slimy little man.

Also, I just got sucked into the menagerie of freaks that is the digitalspy board. God help me, it's addictive. Must go to bed, stop watching strangers on glowing box.
 
 
Ganesh
00:19 / 25.05.06
Except that he was also quite happy to join Nikki in slagging her off in the diary room before the threats were made.

As we all know, slagging off people in the Diary Room while being pleasant to their faces is a BB crime punishable by faceknives. Just as well no-one else is doing it.

Perhaps he has a g*m*pl*n.

(I can't believe we've got this far without th*t w*rd.)
 
 
Ganesh
00:21 / 25.05.06
I wish i could take control of Imogen telepathically, and make her jab her elbow forcibly into his face, the way he's hanging on to he. Literally in her pockets.

God yeah. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think she liked him!
 
 
Ganesh
00:28 / 25.05.06
But Richard delivered it with such glee that I'd gladly see him eaten by a bear.

Actually, I suspect Richard probably has been eaten by a bear, just not the non-human kind.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:29 / 25.05.06
Maybe I missed something but I did see Nicki sobbing and telling Richard and a couple others that she was going to walk rather than be evicted if she wasn't made a Brotherhood member and there wasn't any of the "Well off you go then." attitude that was shown to Dawn.

Perhaps the housemates assumed that Dawn would be able to deal better with the prospect of 13 weeks in the same clothes (or perhaps they just thought she'd be the one to get evicted). Where as the Precious Little Princess is far too delicate and vulnerable and couldn't possibly survive without dissolving into a cloud of sweet-scented fog. So Dawn getting a bit annoyed perhaps made them feel a touch defensive?

Am I getting old and cynical or have the couples formed extremely quickly this time around? Are they acting on the assumption that couples stay in longer? Is that even the case?.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:50 / 25.05.06
The couples have formed quickly, but that's all the better so that they are ready to be WRENCHED ASUNDER once the factions start to form post-Shahbaz-exile.
 
 
Jub
09:14 / 25.05.06
From their shameful pack mentality last night on C4 I have a feeling that this will continue when the group find the next weakest member, and the next, and the next.
 
 
Jub
09:21 / 25.05.06
..reminded me of Lord of the Flies.
 
 
■
09:33 / 25.05.06
"Was there mint? No, no, wait, I've got the conch, was there mint?" Now all we need is a steep drop and a rock.
 
 
Smoothly
09:36 / 25.05.06
But Shahbaz wasn’t the weakest member. He was the most irritating, unpleasant and difficult to live with. Predicting that the Housemates will, week by week, systematically try to evict the least desirable amongst them is a pretty safe bet, Jub.
Are L*rd O* T*e F*ies analogies going to be the new g*m*pl*ns?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:46 / 25.05.06
Yes, I mean come on - we expect Mathlete to defend the troll because that's what he does, but really...
 
 
Smoothly
09:56 / 25.05.06
The couples have formed quickly, but that's all the better so that they are ready to be WRENCHED ASUNDER once the factions start to form post-Shahbaz-exile.

Unimaginative and slightly cringeworthy though it might be, I agree with Flyboy that early coupling probably bodes well for CONFLICT. It normally happens later when there are few of them, the dynamic has been established, and the sunshine reduces them to slawming around on the lawn like drunk wasps. In those circumstances, they’re primarily looking for a buddy and maybe a lazy wank.
The current coupling of Slezer & Imogen and Vern & Lady Grace is more of a land-grab. When/if new housemates arrive, or just when they get to know one another better, I expect those partnerships will breakdown. Then that will be fun.
 
 
Jub
10:07 / 25.05.06
But Shahbaz wasn’t the weakest member. He was the most irritating, unpleasant and difficult to live with. Predicting that the Housemates will, week by week, systematically try to evict the least desirable amongst them is a pretty safe bet, Jub.

His being the most unpleasant made him the weakest. The point I was trying to make is that instead of breaking up into groups as in other years they will stay in one group and pick of the weakest members; nothing unifies like vilification after all.
 
 
Ganesh
10:14 / 25.05.06
Maybe I missed something but I did see Nicki sobbing and telling Richard and a couple others that she was going to walk rather than be evicted if she wasn't made a Brotherhood member and there wasn't any of the "Well off you go then." attitude that was shown to Dawn.

I didn't see that, but pretty much everyone who's not been inducted into the Big Brotherhood - with the sole exception of Glyn - has said they'd rather leave than remain for the rest of their time in the House with no access to their cases.

In Nikki's defence, she's almost 15 years younger than Dawn, so she might arguably be cut slightly more slack when it comes to employing somewhat adolescent emotional blackmail. Arguably.

Perhaps the housemates assumed that Dawn would be able to deal better with the prospect of 13 weeks in the same clothes (or perhaps they just thought she'd be the one to get evicted). Where as the Precious Little Princess is far too delicate and vulnerable and couldn't possibly survive without dissolving into a cloud of sweet-scented fog.

Well, if the DS story about Nikki having previously suffered from a severe eating disorder is even halfway true (and, while I suspect her friend was exaggerating the 'OMG!! SHE MIGHT KILL HERSLEF!1!!' aspects, I see no reason to doubt the central assertion), then there's perhaps more to her contamination fears than simply being precious. Which may not make them any less forgivable - or funny - but may frame them in terms other than simply Nikki being a spoilt princess.

So Dawn getting a bit annoyed perhaps made them feel a touch defensive?

In what way defensive? Because the group would perceive Dawn's annoyance as directed at them for choosing Nikki over her? Maybe. I think there's an age gradient in the House, certainly, with a strong, if implicit, understanding that perceived childishness is the preserve of the young. This has probably come about as a result of Shahbaz being one of the oldest people there but utilising the manipulative behavioural habits of a toddler; much was made of the incongruity of this ("you're a 37 year old man"). Nikki gets away with more because she is palpably not 37. Dawn, when she seems to be acting in a superficially similar way to Shahbaz (threats of leaving) doesn't get away with it to the same extent, because there's a tacit belief that thirtysomethings should've sorted out their shit to a greater extent than twentysomethings.

Am I getting old and cynical or have the couples formed extremely quickly this time around? Are they acting on the assumption that couples stay in longer? Is that even the case?.

There's always the g*m*pl*n accusations, but I'm not sure conscious game-playing plays a part - or, at least, not a large part. I think it's probably more about looking for comfort and stability in an uncomfortable, unstable setting, and consequently forming couple bonds more readily than one would do so in Real Life.
 
 
Ganesh
10:15 / 25.05.06
I'd take issue with Jub, but his post reminded me of Heart of Darkness.
 
 
Smoothly
10:15 / 25.05.06
His being the most unpleasant made him the weakest.

Well, if by weakest you mean least popular and therefore least likely to progress then yeah. But he was weak (by that definition) because he was rounded upon; he wasn’t rounded upon because he was weak.

We haven’t seen much in the way of factions yet, have we? Although I have little doubt that they will develop. Still very early days.
 
 
Ganesh
10:18 / 25.05.06
His being the most unpleasant made him the weakest. The point I was trying to make is that instead of breaking up into groups as in other years they will stay in one group and pick of the weakest members; nothing unifies like vilification after all.

And nothing vilifies like systematically setting out to be vilified.

I'm uncertain why we're surprised, every year, that groups act like groups. There will be subgroups within a larger group whole, and there will be ongoing tensions between all of them. That's what happens.
 
 
Ganesh
10:25 / 25.05.06
We haven’t seen much in the way of factions yet, have we? Although I have little doubt that they will develop.

I think we've got the Beautiful People - wealthy and ever so slightly self-satisfied - Slezer 'n' Imogen 'n' Vern 'n' Grace. We've got the Parental Thirtysomethings - Richard, Lea, Dawn (although Dawn's should-I-stay-or-should-I-goisms threaten this subgroup, as does the presence of a younger hanger-on, Nikki). The rest sort of float around these two cores. The age gradient is particularly noticeable this year; as I say, this may have established itself early as a result of Shahbaz so dramatically not acting his age.

This year's House is much straighter than previous years, in terms of low self-identified bisexual count. On the one hand, this doesn't bother me too much (the maybisexuals used to irritate me) but I worry slightly that it'll settle into cosy hetero coupledom (as well as the Beautiful People, Pete & Lisa, George & Nikki?) with Token Poof plus Glyn (who still seems permanently surprised to be existing on Earth). I'm hoping newer Housemates will queer it up a bit again.
 
 
Triplets
10:32 / 25.05.06
Well, if by weakest you mean least popular and therefore least likely to progress then yeah. But he was weak (by that definition) because he was rounded upon; he wasn’t rounded upon because he was weak.

Christ, I'm not seeing sympathy for that fucking numpty am I? Shahbaz set himself up for bullying/being picked on because 1. he was a twat 2. set out to bring it upon himself 3. see 1

He wasn't unpopular because people picked on him. He was unpopular all on his own, being that way just put a big dramatic bullseye on his big dramatic head.
 
 
Smoothly
10:39 / 25.05.06
Christ, I'm not seeing sympathy for that fucking numpty am I?

No, not from me at least. I didn’t mean that he was weak because people rounded on him (for no good reason). I was trying to point out the circularity in Jub’s argument that the House were picking on the weak, and defining ‘weak’ as ‘most unpopular'.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
10:41 / 25.05.06
Yes, I mean come on - we expect Mathlete to defend the troll because that's what he does, but really...

Right, its time to sort a lot of shit out! I only said LotF as a reference because I have a lazy crappy pop culture bwain! Bearing in mind the shows NAMED after a lazy crappy pop culture reference, I think thats quite a o bleedin' k. Not all of us have been granted Fly's crazy cool comic book reference making brain pan, some of us have to make do with nothing between their ears but wax.

And as to trolls - well, I, well, splutter, splutter. How very dare you.

Bonna to go on friday.
 
 
Ganesh
10:44 / 25.05.06
According to Digital Spy, Shahbaz misled the BB psychologists. He has revealed - sensationally - that what he claimed was theatricality was him being "stifled and choked by my own demons". God, really? He hid that well, didn't he, boys and girls?

Bit of a major reinvention going on, I feel. In order to deceive others about oneself, one must first know oneself - and I don't think Shahbaz has the first idea. I don't think he was serious about killing himself beyond using it as a manipulative, attention-grabbing threat. I don't think the fact that he's "been prescribed antidepressants in the past" means a great deal either (given the readiness to prescribe non-depressed people antidepressants - particularly in the case of decades of personality disorder). I also think he's staggeringly naive if he reckons the Endemol psychologists were under any illusions as to how damaged a person he was. I suspect they might go with his 'explanation', though, because it places responsibility on Shahbaz (for his 'deception') rather than whoever assessed him.

Having said which, while it's pretty easy to identify personality disorder in someone like Shahbaz, it's rather less straightforward predicting how that'll affect their ability to remain in and tolerate the environment of the Big Brother House. Some, like Kitten, have lasted a matter of days. Some, like Craig (and possibly Nasty Nick) have managed to find a niche and hang around, even thrive. The likelihood of personality disorder does not in itself predict 'breakdowns' necessitating in the removal of a Housemate.
 
 
Ganesh
10:51 / 25.05.06
Dawn's gone, baby. Dawn's gone.
 
 
Sax
10:56 / 25.05.06
That's a shame, I think. She had the potential to offer some balancing older-person-age in the house. At this rate it's going to end up like watching Hollyoaks every night.
 
  

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