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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:32 / 24.05.06
Looks like Dawn's still there- they'll probably make her sleep on it.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:37 / 24.05.06
I'm fully aware that Ganesh will call me on my terminology here... but Nikki is absolutely apeshit mental.
 
 
Spaniel
16:41 / 24.05.06
Wasn't her headache and the whole bottled water fiasco due to dehydration?

Well, of course it's always a possibility. One I'm inclined to reject pretty much out of hand, however.

Somewhere between the child throwing a tantrum script that she seemed to be rigidly adhering to (and let's remember that she seems to present as a child in other contexts), her fake tears, her constant references to her confiscated bag, her inability to listen to reason (the water in the house has been filtered twice), and her lack of consideration towards her housemates, I got the impression that this was about rather more than a headache.

But, you know, it could have been. Even so, what a way to carry on.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
17:30 / 24.05.06
I become quite irrational when my head really hurts (which isn't very often at all). I think that it takes away your tolerance and the stuff that normally irritates you mildly suddenly becomes huge. So while I might doubt that Nikki had a migraine (and I can't be certain because a family member has them and I've seen him watch TV even though he shouldn't be), I can understand why she was getting angry. I doubt it was the water or the suitcase really, I think she was just in pain and needed to gripe.

I found the Dawn smells thing far more anger inducing because she was just being unnecessarily horrible. All she had to do was wash a fucking jumper.
 
 
doozy floop
18:14 / 24.05.06
I have unwatchably bad reception for C4 on my telly box so haven't seen any of these antics, but I did just stand witness to a queue in my local Tescos made up of five disparate individuals in a row all clutching about five of those multipacks of KitKats each and nothing else.

It was weird.
 
 
Ganesh
18:44 / 24.05.06
Will leave comment on Nikki until I've time to do the Little Princess justice. I'd ask, though, who among us is fully acquainted with all the landmarks of Selfawaria? How would you know?

Elsewhere, Dawn threatens to leave and, in contrast with Shahbaz's departure, it's not about attention; it's about the prospect of remaining in the House for the full 13 weeks without access to her suitcase.

Frankly, I'm 100% with Dawn here. Bonneh was crying about the same thing last night - not eviction, but the thought of staying with no personal belongings, clothes, cosmetics, comfort stuff. I'd cry. I think Endemol's shooting itself in the foot with this particular rule: there's not much in it for the viewer, and if the aim is to scapegoat and thus foment extended misery, there are more creative ways to do that. I'm really not surprised people are threatening to leave.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
19:36 / 24.05.06
Errr, did shebanz just say 'Like Shrek says...'

Amazingly culturally aware - he compares himself to the Posieden Adventure, he compare himself to a giant green ogre...

To be honest, I'm really uncomfortable with the house mates attitude towards him - it was very lord of the flies, and the guy is clearly unbalanced. All very sad.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
19:51 / 24.05.06
Yeah, Lisa's method was far more honest.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:53 / 24.05.06
At this stage, after his genuinely moving "I tried to help him" moment (I was reminded of Superman, when Pa Kent died), just what would Pete have to do to lose the goodwill of the public? He'd have to go pretty far, I think, to generate any "amniosity" (TM Nikki) at all.

I suspect now that Shahbaz has gone, a split will develop between the people who feel just a little bit guilty about the way he was treated by the group right at the end, and those who don't - those who would have bullied him even if he hadn't given them a number of very, very good reasons to be angry. Chief of whom would be Slezer, who is, without a shadow of a doubt, an utter fucking shitbag.
 
 
Ganesh
19:53 / 24.05.06
To be honest, I'm really uncomfortable with the house mates attitude towards him - it was very lord of the flies, and the guy is clearly unbalanced.

Well... except that, in Lord of the Flies, everyone went feral and ganged up against Piggy, the symbol of order, killing him - whereas here, people repeatedly attempted to help Shahbaz, a determined self-saboteur, to coexist harmoniously with the rest of the group, with Shahbaz consistently crapping on all such attempts, before threatening self-harm and having to be removed.

Not really seeing the analogy, then.

I also think that, while he may have been "clearly unbalanced", this is not in itself an indication that his manipulative, intentionally aggravating behaviour should've been indulged. He has a personality disorder; he is responsible for his actions. Moreover, firm boundary-setting would've done him a lot more good than sympathy - which would simply have been gulped down as another form of attention, indistinguishable from laughter or flirtation or admonishment or hostility.

As with the departure of Barbelith trolls, a certain amount of "what have we/they become?" is inevitable - but not necessarily useful or particularly reflective of the reality of the situation.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
19:59 / 24.05.06
I agree Ganesh, but I dunno, it was the glee with which some of the housemates tormented him at the end. It just seemed so unseemly.
 
 
Ganesh
20:04 / 24.05.06
I agree Ganesh, but I dunno, it was the glee with which some of the housemates tormented him at the end. It just seemed so unseemly.

I'm not at all sure how my own seemliness would stand up to the perpetual onslaught that was Shahbaz. I don't think the other Housemates "tormented" Shahbaz, so much as gradually became more and more open in expressing their exasperation and contempt. With some - I'm thinking Richard - there was an element of 'banish with laughter' too.
 
 
Smoothly
20:24 / 24.05.06
"I cannot tell a lie!" sobbed Lea, 35.

Shahbaz's theatrics did seem almost infectious. I wonder if, now he's gone, everyone will just settle down into a dozy routine of sleep and dry-humping.
 
 
Evil Scientist
20:26 / 24.05.06
What with Shahbaz and his onion analogy I found myself wanting him to stay in another week or two, that way he'd have peeled back to the ten metapersonalities underneath the Real Shahbaz (please stand up) and we could have seen how John'a'Dreams did as a BB contestant.

Seriously though, I'm kind of relieved he's out. Hopefully they'll make sure he's not going to be silly before cutting him loose. Even his interview on BBLB nearly saw him breaking down.

Not liking Princess one little bit. Although I suppose begging for a Brotherhood hat under the guise of "leaving Big Brother forevah!" isn't necessarily a bad tactic in the dignity-free BB environment
 
 
The Falcon
20:29 / 24.05.06
Yeah, just watching highlights doesn't really do justice to the whirlwind of constant irritation that Shahbaz was capable of whipping up; I was idly tuned from around 11am - 2pm yesterday, and he was needling anyone in his radius for that solid three hours. Just impossible, really.

So, I can understand. That said, the locking outside and general glee at his discomfort was neither very edifying or attractive. It allowed Nikki a chance to add to her crimefile, though: 'He's thrown away all his cereal and milk'. Bullshit, no he didn't. Sezer did.

I do find myself gravitating toward the people expressing a degree of contrition over his departure (Pete, George, possibly Richard - not so sure about him.) Pete's already on incredibly short odds as overall victor, actually, 5/4 last I checked I think.
 
 
The Falcon
20:32 / 24.05.06
And, oh noes, I am really, really annoyed - distressed, even - that Nikki got in teh Brotherhood. I think Nikki + no suitcase + up for eviction would have been soothing telly.
 
 
Ganesh
20:46 / 24.05.06
Shahbaz's theatrics did seem almost infectious. I wonder if, now he's gone, everyone will just settle down into a dozy routine of sleep and dry-humping.

Well, much as I detest the Shahbastard, I know that lone gayer + houseful of hets generally makes for dull viewing, particularly if the hets are inclined to pair up. I'm hoping they'll airdrop in a queerie.
 
 
Smoothly
20:46 / 24.05.06
With some - I'm thinking Richard - there was an element to 'banish with laughter' too

I think that's a generous way of putting it. Richard led the campaign of ostracise Shahbaz right from the off, and his accusations of childishness rang a bit hollow as he threw bags of crisps from his glass house.

And it seemed like an odd approach from someone who's positioning himself as the Daddy of the house. I'd have thought he would have garnered more respect and status by trying harder to integrate Shahbaz and show mercy (even if integration was ultimately a hopeless cause and Shahbaz didn't strictly *deserve* clemency).

Easy to say from the outside though, obv.
 
 
autopilot disengaged
20:59 / 24.05.06
i realise Shahbaz almost certainly generated the whirlwind he later reaped, but the stuff aired tonight made me incredibly angry. the locking out and stealing clothes routines were especially hideous and i actually don't see myself going much further with BB this year (this is patently untrue).

pete + dawn are the only two in there i have any affection for now, and the current crop of coupling makes me think this cd become very square very fast.

feel free to contradict anything i've said. i probably will tomorrow...
 
 
Evil Scientist
21:00 / 24.05.06
Dawn's still in, but it looks like she's set on leaving.

I suppose the ability to walk out of the show is the one bit of power that the housemates really have over BB. Perhaps she reckons BB will fold and give her her suitcase rather than lose two people in a week.

That or wave goodbye and bring two more hapless idiots in.
 
 
Ganesh
21:06 / 24.05.06
I think that's a generous way of putting it. Richard led the campaign of ostracise Shahbaz right from the off, and his accusations of childishness rang a bit hollow as he threw bags of crisps from his glass house.

I don't really agree with that retrospective of the Richard/Shahbaz dynamic. I think Richard did, as he himself admitted, have issues of 'representation' (ie. an extra-big portion of Shahbarrassment at the idea that he might be tarred with the Big Gay ShahBrush as a result of Shahbaz's 'antics') but, from the off, he was placed on the defensive by Shahbaz's inyerfaceness. He responded with increasingly catty comments (this sort of bitchslap-trading is pretty common camp banter among us gayers) and he did try, several times, to get Shahbaz to tone his irritato down. Predictably, this went the same way as did similar attempts of Lea, Dawn and Pete.

And it seemed like an odd approach from someone who's positioning himself as the Daddy of the house. I'd have thought he would have garnered more respect and status by trying harder to integrate Shahbaz and show mercy (even if integration was ultimately a hopeless cause and Shahbaz didn't strictly *deserve* clemency).

Firstoff, I don't think Richard's trying to position himself as Big Daddy. I think it's happening by default, but I don't think he's wildly happy to be in that role. I also think he had a good few tries at re-integrating Shahbaz. He was also instrumental in restraining Lisa when she was attempting to poke him in the windpipe.

I can appreciate an enormous degree of self-interest in Richard's actions with Shahbaz, but I'm hugely with him on the not-wanting-to-be-seen-as-the-same-variety-of-Gay. I'm also with him on the "don't pay him attention" approach which, ultimately, failed because Shahbaz hid all the food. Richard also tried to make it a game (the "see how long you can go without talking" gagging thing), tried boundary-setting and tried reason.

Actions have consequences, and eventually the group stopped trying to be nice. Go out of your way, over a week, to systematically provoke, alienate and piss off everyone in a Household, and that Household will retaliate.
 
 
Ganesh
21:14 / 24.05.06
i realise Shahbaz almost certainly generated the whirlwind he later reaped, but the stuff aired tonight made me incredibly angry. the locking out and stealing clothes routines were especially hideous and i actually don't see myself going much further with BB this year (this is patently untrue).

Social Contract Theory: continually shit on the contract, and one's immediate social environment will snap back like a pinged thong. The locking out and stealing clothes was reflective of that snapping back. It was highly symbolic (casting out, denuding, exit from Eden, etc., etc.) but I think those who condemn the House for that stuff are doing so a) as outside observers not affected by that implicit social contract, and b) without full appreciation of the context ie. the non-stop neurotic cabaret of Shahbaz.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:18 / 24.05.06
I do find myself gravitating toward the people expressing a degree of contrition over his departure (Pete, George, possibly Richard - not so sure about him.)

Basically Falcon I'd break it down like in terms of Civil War:

Steve Rogers = Pete
Tony Stark = Sezer

Which would make Shahbaz the Hulk, which works. Spiderman is probably... Imogen. She's cosy with Sezer now but her conscience is probably pricked.
 
 
The Falcon
21:22 / 24.05.06
Spot on. Scouse dullard Mikey = Yellowjacket, yeah? I do wish that Big B would say 'Hello, Mikey, you pointless nonentity' sometime in the diary room. Even Bonner's shown more.
 
 
Ganesh
21:27 / 24.05.06
Which one of them represents the holistic worldview?
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
21:36 / 24.05.06
Flyboy's continued comic book references = STRONG TRUTH.

The big question is - how many references can be made to Shebang being a giant green monster today? The current total runs at two, making it a coincedence; get it to three, we have a trend ladies and gentlemens.
 
 
Lama glama
21:53 / 24.05.06
I'm feeling a lot of that 'amniosity' thing for Nikki right now. The illusion of her trying to be a nice person was pissed away when she advised the group to hide all of Shahbaz's clothes, declaring that: "That will hurt him the most." What a vile (yet undeniably entertaining) person.
 
 
Ganesh
22:11 / 24.05.06
1) the coquettish pleasure she derives from talking about Dawn's b.o. (which I'm unprovably sure is not actually that bad) to everyone when the woman had the patience to listen to that dreadful, dreadful furore over faaarking bottled water, of all bloody things. She's frequently smirking around to everyone about it, and it's a shitty, snidey way to treat someone who was good enough to listen to

I'm not sure she did take "coquettish pleasure" from that discussion. I can certainly see that she worked herself up into a riiight old state (the contamination thing again - she can't cope with the idea of impurity entering her body, whether tap water or odour) and one might posit that there was an edge of getting-off-on-the-drama-of-it-allness, but I read the predominant flavour of that outburst as anxiety rather than pleasure. I'm not at all sure who she might have been being "coquettish" with or towards.

2) that howling, spoilt brat outburst aforementioned without punching her.

I don't think it was primarily brattishness so much as contamination anxiety - which need not necessarily place her in the 'victim' box safe from all personal responsibility, but the (cruel) saving grace, for me, was the fact that her discomfort was so sniggersome. The "you've made me CRY!" snippet makes me laugh as reliably as Marco's face-crumpling weepfest of yesteryear.

3) discussing Pete in the diary room took the 'mascot' thing to new lows, as if the boy were Forrest Gump or something, and also making her *amazing* empathy kind of revolve around her own special self, leading to the waterworks. Also, the parting shot, which clarified that - of course - special as he is, she'd never have anything to do with him sexually.

Like M LeWeaving, I actually found that quite endearing. I think she was actually quite sincere there. Yes, it was all stupidly histrionic, but I don't think it was calculated and I don't think it was intended to highlight MeMeMe. It did because the delivery was so ludicrous, but I honestly do think she genuinely felt those things at that minute.
 
 
Ganesh
22:18 / 24.05.06
I honestly don't see that her Pete rant establishes her as any more self-aware than the average BB contestant, especially since her utterly absurd outbursts have been so distinctly lacking in any kind of personal reflection.

Well... with the Pete thing, she wasn't "lacking in any kind of personal reflection". She reflected on her own shallowness in relation to the problems Pete struggled with, and even commented on the patheticness of her getting so worked up about it all. One can certainly argue that her Diary Room monologues are absurd, and one can take issue with the fruits of her reflection, but it's not true to say that no personal reflection took place.
 
 
Smoothly
22:26 / 24.05.06
I don't think Richard's trying to position himself as Big Daddy. I think it's happening by default, but I don't think he's wildly happy to be in that role

Anything in particular makes you think he's not wildly happy to be in that role?
I can see that that's not the role he'd lined himself up for before entering the house, but now he's in, he seems quite keen to inhabit it.

He quickly took on a consoling role (with Nikki in particular, but also Pete and Glyn). And when Nikki became upset at the prospect of Dawn leaving, Richard was quite sure-footed about declaring Lea the Mummy of the house and himself the Daddy.
Also, he was pretty quick to rally and lead the group in a united response to Shahbaz. Maybe others have just been reluctant to put themselves forward, but it's not a house of shrinking violets. I'd have thought Sezer, for one, would be keen to enlarge his alpha male displays beyond aggressive spooning. I suppose it will be interesting to see how he responds if a threat to Big Dick's prevailing Daddy status presents itself.
 
 
The Falcon
22:36 / 24.05.06
Having double-checked, I don't think 'coquettish' is perhaps the right word; there appeared a goodly amount of glee derived from this two-facedness, and I had thought the word somewhat applicable, but it's not really. Except in the saltation, extreme linguistic stretch sense, perhaps.

Basically, my motivational ascription's running at a different level than yours, Dr. G - was certainly somewhat more inclined to give Shahbaz the benefit of the doubt, despite how terribly, terribly aggravating he was, because I imagine his life has been exponentially more unpleasant than has Nikki's. And I don't really draw a line between (irrational?) 'fear of contamination' and 'spoilt bastard'; Alex exhibited a lot of similar qualities back in BB3, I guess, but he was also - crucially - a bit of spoilt mummy's boy. Though less inclined to go for the stir, when opportunity arises, and therefore vastly preferable.
 
 
Ganesh
22:42 / 24.05.06
Anything in particular makes you think he's not wildly happy to be in that role?
I can see that that's not the role he'd lined himself up for before entering the house, but now he's in, he seems quite keen to inhabit it.


I think "keen" is too strong a word here. I don't think he's unhappy but I don't think he's been jostling to position himself in that slot, which was how I read your last comment. I think that, having set himself up as "sex terrorist", taking on a parent role is a tad dadsy (if that's the male equivalent of mumsy). Sexless.

He quickly took on a consoling role (with Nikki in particular, but also Pete and Glyn). And when Nikki became upset at the prospect of Dawn leaving, Richard was quite sure-footed about declaring Lea the Mummy of the house and himself the Daddy.
Also, he was pretty quick to rally and lead the group in a united response to Shahbaz. Maybe others have just been reluctant to put themselves forward, but it's not a house of shrinking violets. I'd have thought Sezer, for one, would be keen to enlarge his alpha male displays beyond aggressive spooning. I suppose it will be interesting to see how he responds if a threat to his prevailing Daddy status presents itself.


I think it's a combination of the age-associations of "Daddy" (particularly acute for a thirtysomething gay gym bunny) and the platonic/sexless implications of taking on a parent role - which, as I say, slightly cuts across the "sex terrorist" thing. While that was always going to be an audition-tape exaggeration, I think Richard would've been happier for someone else to be paternal, leaving him to be more sexually active/aggressive. Of course, it's the lot of BB gay men to be sexually frustrated, having little or nothing by way of viable objects of desire. They're pretty much there to panic/flirt with the pretty hetboys.

And yes, I think Sezer is putting himself forward as alpha male - but alpha male doesn't necessarily map onto Big Daddy, particularly when there are gayers involved. Richard's sexual 'safety' arguably disqualifies him from alpha-maling in the way Sezer, Mikey and George are alpha-maling among themselves (ie. in competition for the desirable females).

I think that, however big his biceps, Richard's gayness prevents him from taking part in the true alpha-male dickswinging - so he occupies a curious position. For this reason, it makes sense to shunt him into the role of Big Daddy (old, parental) but I think Richard would prefer to be a sexual player within the House.
 
 
Ganesh
22:49 / 24.05.06
there appeared a goodly amount of glee derived from this two-facedness

I think there was an edge of getting-offness on the drama - and, to an extent, the idea of 'scandalous gossip' - but I don't think Nikki was luxuriating in being duplicitous. I think she was panicking about how to tolerate and/or address the situation.

Basically, my motivational ascription's running at a different level than yours, Dr. G - was certainly somewhat more inclined to give Shahbaz the benefit of the doubt, despite how terribly, terribly aggravating he was, because I imagine his life has been exponentially more unpleasant than has Nikki's.

We've no clear idea. You may well be right, but he has had a good decade or so longer than Nikki to begin to sort himself out - yet he was still far less flexible in his interpersonal skills, specifically the ability to occasionally not hog the spotlight.

And I don't really draw a line between (irrational?) 'fear of contamination' and 'spoilt bastard'

Don't ever go into psychiatry, then.
 
 
Smoothly
22:55 / 24.05.06
Don't even go near a hospital!

I think we'd all prefer Rich to be a sexual player if it drew the camera away from Sezer's repulsive pawing.
Why oh why no legitimate targets for Dickie's reign of Terrrr. Losing any hope for George, 'Nesh? Was that ever more than wishful thinking?
 
 
Ganesh
23:04 / 24.05.06
I think we'd all prefer Rich to be a sexual player if it drew the camera away from Sezer's repulsive pawing.

It's partly the numbers problem. They're never going to load up the House with enough gayers for 'em to have a good chance of fancying one another - so the "sex terrorist" thing was naive at best.

Have to say, though, I'm not getting the Sezer-hate to the same extent as some others here. I'm reluctant to go too far in defending him at the present time, however, because I think I may have a) missed something, and b) been unduly swayed by the fact that I find his stocky little hirsuteycutiness very easy on the eye.

Why oh why no legitimate targets for Dickie's reign of Terrrr. Losing any hope for George, 'Nesh? Was that ever more than wishful thinking?

Yeah, pretty much. Even when there are closeted men on BB (and I don't think George is one, really), the likelihood of them being prised out in the course of the show is pretty small. Male homosexuality's still considerably more stigmatised than its female equivalent - and less 'reversible' - so I don't really blame 'em for nailing the door shut.
 
  

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