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Ganesh
18:16 / 12.07.06
... as far as I know it's always been up to the participants of Spin The Bottle to what extent they kiss, and sometimes a puckered-up peck on the lips is all that ensues (pretty sure this has happened often in BB this year and before).

Yes, oddly enough, the straight-boy-snog-gay-boy dares tend, as a rule, not to be 'honoured'. I'm not sure I can recall any gay male Housemate of this or yesteryear throwing a major strop about being "rejected on national TV".
 
 
Ganesh
18:19 / 12.07.06
Also, I suspect "not keen to encourage further tit-groping" might be viewed as acceptably Get Out Of Snog Free, even by Queensbury rules.
 
 
Smoothly
18:29 / 12.07.06
Yes, oddly enough, the straight-boy-snog-gay-boy dares tend, as a rule, not to be 'honoured'. I'm not sure I can recall any gay male Housemate of this or yesteryear throwing a major strop about being "rejected on national TV".

Maybe. Although I'm not sure I can recall any straight-boy-snog-gay-boy dares being reneged on.
I don't blame Aisleyne for not wanting Spoiral's tongue in her mouth, for any number of reasons, but I don't think he can be blamed for harboring some expectation that she would go through with it given the context. Were there any other refusals?
 
 
Ganesh
18:31 / 12.07.06
Hmm, stuff going on at the moment with Jayne, who's apparently been called to the Diary Room to be 'punished' again, for more loose talk of the Outside World. She's seemingly deliberately removed her microphone on more than one occasion to tell Pete and Nikki that the public love them, and to inform (a now crying) Aisleyne that she is widely "hated". Vicious arseface.
 
 
Ganesh
18:37 / 12.07.06
Maybe. Although I'm not sure I can recall any straight-boy-snog-gay-boy dares being reneged on.

It's happened - although generally it's the in the in-the-pool variant rather than bottle-spinning that I remember. There's generally been little fuss made about it.

I don't blame Aisleyne for not wanting Spoiral's tongue in her mouth, for any number of reasons, but I don't think he can be blamed for harboring some expectation that she would go through with it given the context. Were there any other refusals?

I didn't see the whole game, but there were certainly kisses other than 5-minute uvula-tickling. Glyn, for a start; did he insist on Tongues Or Nothing?
 
 
Smoothly
18:47 / 12.07.06
I didn't see the whole game, but there were certainly kisses other than 5-minute uvula-tickling. Glen, for a start; did he insist on Tongues Or Nothing?

5-seconds you mean, which I think was pretty vigorously enforced. No, I don't think Glyn did any insisting on anything, but then no one puckered up to him as if they had to suck poison from a septic wound.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
18:49 / 12.07.06
Anybody else having a problem getting Channel 4? All else is set fair but Four's on the blink here. Just wondering if it's a problem with our reception alone or something more global.
 
 
Smoothly
18:50 / 12.07.06
Mine's alright.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:50 / 12.07.06
I don't blame Aisleyne for not wanting Spoiral's tongue in her mouth, for any number of reasons, but I don't think he can be blamed for harboring some expectation that she would go through with it given the context. Were there any other refusals?

Surely Pete refused Lea, in an earlier spin, on the grounds that it would be like kissing his mum; so there is precedent.

I think the widely-held notion that spin-the-bottle whirlwinds the participants into an alt-universe where all rules are changed and only the unchallenged rule of the bottle applies is very misleading.

In fact, people playing spin-the-bottle or truth-or-dare (in my experience, hem-hem) tend to snog precisely those people they fancy, and refuse (or peck) those they don't.

EDITED TO ADD MORE HYPHENS
 
 
Smoothly
18:55 / 12.07.06
Surely Pete refused Lea, in an earlier spin, on the grounds that it would be like kissing his mum; so there is precedent.

True, true; trouché.
 
 
Ganesh
19:02 / 12.07.06
Ganesh - the correct term is "vag-tease" I do believe, and yes, isn't Pete awful for it? Do you reckon this is to do with his low emotional intelligence that BBBB picked up on?

Yeah, I do. We touched on this upthread, and I suggested it might be a specific (almost 'dyslexic') glitch in Pete's emotional intelligence - because, on the face of it, he seems relatively good at reading dynamics within the House (going by his Diary Room monologues). I think he has a particular blind spot when it comes to participating, particularly in terms of positioning himself in relationships; I see it as akin to those who're able to read/understand a language but cannot write/speak it.

I think he often confuses flirty-friendliness and 'gosh-I-actually-like-you-proper' affections from the female HMs, but I wonder what, if anything, he'll do about it.

Do you honestly think he's confused about whether they like him? Lisa was pretty upfront about her more-than-friends interest (but subsequently retreated to save face). Lea told him explicitly. Nikki asked him to "fuck" her, frequently talks about how he understands her like no-one else, and asked him out on a 'date'.

Not much room for confusion in terms of receiving those signals; that's not the problem. The problem is one of response, and lies with Pete: does anyone know whether he is or isn't interested in more-than-friendliness? The women in question (inside and outside the House) don't seem to know. I certainly don't.

How do you go about telling this bevvy of ladies that you're not really interested, anyway? Especially when you have obvious issues with confrontation and expressing yourself?

You may have difficulties articulating yourself but, if you're an adult, you get over your issues of confrontation sufficient to not get into bedtime-gropiness with someone in whom you have no more-than-friends interest, not snog them, not pull them onto your lap, not agree to 'date' them. If you do do these things, you certainly don't subsequently suggest to others that you did so unwillingly. Real-live grown-up people have some responsibility for how they conduct themselves in such situations.

I've seen Pete give his patented uncomfortable giggle a few times when the women come onto him, do they not notice this as a negative sign?

Is it a negative sign? He seems to use that giggle in pretty much any situation, so I'm not sure it's fair to expect women to possess the ability to extrapolate and interpret - particularly when he's throwing out positive signals (like, uh, jumping into bed with them, snogging, etc., etc.).

Although, the other night, was he trying to tell Jeannie that he liked her? That really confused me.

Well, quite. You're confused, I'm confused, you can bet your buttmonkey Jennie's confused.
 
 
Ganesh
19:06 / 12.07.06
No, I don't think Glyn did any insisting on anything, but then no one puckered up to him as if they had to suck poison from a septic wound.

Poison/wound analogy a tad subjective, I feel. I don't think Glyn was greeted with open gums either.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
19:19 / 12.07.06
Thanks, Sir Smoothly. Those few magic words of yours have restored us here to full function! I thought it was God's plan to prepare Ganesh for a fortnight without C4.

Would anybody out there like to take a BB fanatic on a Cold Turkley holiday in the High Atlas Mountains? I'm not looking forward to the screaming and the clawing at the walls of the riad. I must now return to ironing and packing.
 
 
Sniv
19:23 / 12.07.06
Do you honestly think he's confused about whether they like him? Lisa was pretty upfront about her more-than-friends interest (but subsequently retreated to save face). Lea told him explicitly. Nikki asked him to "fuck" her...

I think that until it's stated to him explicitly, Pete never really has a clue as to how much certain women like him. He backed off from Lisa pretty fast once she made it clear that she was being more than matey-gropey-laughy with him, and wanted a bit more. I think this was because he genuinely didn't fancy her, and was a bit worried by her advances. As he said, it takes 'a long time' for him to 'fancy' someone, and I think that Lisa ruined her own chances by pushing him too hard.

With Lea on the other hand, I think Pete definitely saw her as a mother figure, what with all the head-stroking and busom cuddles. It took someone telling him to his face that she liked-liked him for him to realise, and he did look pretty shocked, and afterwards they did talk (a lot, by Pete's standards) and he made it clear that he didn't feel that way about her while she was busy swimming in denial. I thought he was pretty unambiguous there, but he really should have stopped putting his face in her tits after that, that's a bit weird.

Nikki though, I reckon he does like. If only when he's drunk, yeah, but he does like her enough to play giggles-in-the-duvet with her after pretty much every party in the house. I haven't seen him deny his attraction to her, I must have missed it (damn real life *shaky fisty*), but I think he was being disingenuous with the truth a bit there.

Still, where does that leave Jeannie? Curse that uncommunicative man. We'll have to wait to read the exclusive in [insert title of glossy celeb-tat-rag here] when he wins...
 
 
Ganesh
19:43 / 12.07.06
I think that until it's stated to him explicitly, Pete never really has a clue as to how much certain women like him.

That'll be why they've stated it explicitly, then, individually and en masse in the bathroom, Aisleyne included.

He backed off from Lisa pretty fast once she made it clear that she was being more than matey-gropey-laughy with him, and wanted a bit more. I think this was because he genuinely didn't fancy her, and was a bit worried by her advances. As he said, it takes 'a long time' for him to 'fancy' someone, and I think that Lisa ruined her own chances by pushing him too hard.

Well, he backed off from Lisa by getting out of the bed he was sharing with her and climbing into Lea's without saying anything at all - and he sheepishly clambered back into Lisa's bed when ordered (jokily-but-not-really) to do so. It wasn't for a day or so that he actually had The Conversation with her, and that was, if I remember rightly, largely precipitated by others telling him he should do so.

I don't think Lisa ruined her chances by pushing too hard. I don't think she had any chance in the first place, because if she hadn't pushed Pete to share a bed, nothing would've happened anyway. I think she managed the situation fairly adroitly (back in those pre-consuming paranoia days) and it's not entirely fair to frame her as the architect of her own (relationship) downfall. If the signals hadn't been mixed-to-favourable at the outset (and although we are now, with the benefit of hindsight, saying, "that's 'cause he didn't fancy Lisa", at the time it looked like charmingly gauche mutual flirtation), I doubt she'd have put herself out on a limb at all. I think she paid for that.

With Lea on the other hand, I think Pete definitely saw her as a mother figure, what with all the head-stroking and busom cuddles. It took someone telling him to his face that she liked-liked him for him to realise, and he did look pretty shocked, and afterwards they did talk (a lot, by Pete's standards) and he made it clear that he didn't feel that way about her while she was busy swimming in denial. I thought he was pretty unambiguous there, but he really should have stopped putting his face in her tits after that, that's a bit weird.

Well, yes. I'm not sure to what extent Pete actually said explicitly, "I don't feel that way about you" but yes, they certainly did talk. Whatever just-friends message he was attempting to get across was undermined, to a certain extent, by the face-in-tits stuff, and his general willingness to play the part of her little boy.

Nikki though, I reckon he does like. If only when he's drunk, yeah, but he does like her enough to play giggles-in-the-duvet with her after pretty much every party in the house. I haven't seen him deny his attraction to her, I must have missed it (damn real life *shaky fisty*), but I think he was being disingenuous with the truth a bit there.

Okay, so you reckon he genuinely likes Nikki. The psychologists (or head-noddy Geoffrey Beattie, anyway) reckons he has a more brother-sister relationship with her and it's Aisleyne he's after. I'm undecided. The morning after the last-party-but-one, he sat in the garden with Mikey and conveyed that Nikki had come on to him but he wasn't that interested. Mikey (who, if he's good at anything, is good at relationship ethics) told him it was unfair to be leading Nikki on in that way.

Still, where does that leave Jeannie? Curse that uncommunicative man. We'll have to wait to read the exclusive in [insert title of glossy celeb-tat-rag here] when he wins...

As I say, Aisleyne is the shrink's choice - but I don't think Beattie knows any more than anyone else. I don't think Pete knows either, so I'm not sure there'll be an OK exclusive; I think you're right in saying (and he said it himself, early on) that he takes an eternity to decide whether or not to move into 'fancying' gear. I also think that, while he's doing the deciding, he passively goes with the flow to such an extent that, by the time he's made his mind up (which presumably he does if one waits long enough), the female in question has already assumed they're an item.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:36 / 12.07.06
I am curious about Pete's emotions here. Whenever I see him with the women, I see myself in my golden youth being pursued by insistent girlies. I liked the closeness we shared as best friends, they liked (I gathered) having a man around who was more like a best girlfriend but with male bits.

It happened several times that what I thought was a very happy relationship suddenly became embarrassing and awkward to both of us when the unrequited half of the partrnership spoke up about their romantic feelings. Not being a fan of lady bits, I couldn't really deal with that and so, like Pete, I went into full avoidance mode.

He's stuck in the House with them all though. I don't think he's gay but I do think there's some complication that isn't yet apparent. On the few occasions when I tghought Oh fuck, I'll just give it a shot, it was a disaster on the feelings front and I felt very trapped. He has that same trapped look.
 
 
Ganesh
20:53 / 12.07.06
Unfortunately, this thread is now too unwieldy to comb through, but I also remember making that comparison at one point. Pete's not gay (at least, I don't think he is), but the (passively going along with the) blurring of platonic and non-platonic relationships with women definitely strikes a chord with me. I'm pretty sure I was sending out all manner of confused signals, and I really regret the fact that more than one good friendship crashed and burned as a result of my 'confusion'. Perhaps that personal resonance is one reason why it's frustrating me to see women going out on a limb in response to Pete, and ending up shouldering all responsibility for any subsequent emotional fallout.
 
 
Smoothly
21:04 / 12.07.06
Justify it how you like. You changed.

Looks like Nikki's bid to get Pete drunk back-fired, and that the nodding psych had it about right. If Pete does have his sights set on Aisleyne then it looks as if he's as clumsy when he's resolute as he is when ambivalent. Not that I think he definitely is resolute when it comes to Ash, but the whole 'So... spin the bottle's fun, isn't it *giggle*' non-sequitur could have been a parody of a fumbling, awkward teenager.
 
 
Ganesh
21:08 / 12.07.06
I don't think Pete has "sights". How would one know if he genuinely fancied someone?
 
 
Smoothly
21:16 / 12.07.06
Impossible to know for sure, of course. But there seem to have been some indicators there. Initiating a leading conversation about previous sexual contact; making strange hurrm *giggle* hurrm noises and explaining that he does that when he's having arousing thoughts about particular Housemates; saying things like 'I just wonder if we're going to sleep, or...?'. That's Pete being all money.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:43 / 12.07.06
Turning over and going to sleep with a teasing "so *hrrm hi hi hi, a-hurrrm!* we-gonna-kip-then... yeh? ... cool, cool, *ahum! ahihihihi!* la'ers then, mate" is the real killer move in his seduction strategy.
 
 
Smoothly
21:51 / 12.07.06
First time I've seen him initiate anything that even borderline qualifies as a 'move' though.
 
 
Ganesh
22:14 / 12.07.06
We'll see. If he can convincingly break out of his passivity within the month, I'll be impressed. If he manages to do so without (intentionally or unintentionally) tarring Aisleyne with the Bunny Boiler Brush, even more so.
 
 
Ganesh
22:31 / 12.07.06
At the moment, however, they seem to be "just mates".
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:03 / 13.07.06
We can of course help him by texting NIKKI to 84444.
 
 
Jub
09:07 / 13.07.06
When Nikki goes on Friday, Jayne will be royally screwed. Who on earth can she conduct her little hate campaign with now?

Also - what do you think Jayn'e punishment will be for discussing the outside world - again - after the whole everyone-up-for-nomination-but-me punishment?
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:22 / 13.07.06
Also - what do you think Jayn'e punishment will be for discussing the outside world - again - after the whole everyone-up-for-nomination-but-me punishment?

Probably break another housemate's fingers.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
09:41 / 13.07.06
I understand from another forum that she told everyone she was up for eviction because of that further lapse, but that in fact the rest of the housemates (possibly including her) are going to be on dry rations as the punishment for her continued rulebreaking.
 
 
haus of fraser
10:33 / 13.07.06
he's seemingly deliberately removed her microphone on more than one occasion to tell Pete and Nikki that the public love them...

Sorry Stoatie but i've just voted Nikki on the strength of this- i hate it when the housemates assume they know the way the publics gonna vote. Its gonna make Jayne squirm too cos unless she's utterly stupid (which she may well be) she'll see that she's next.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
11:34 / 13.07.06
I understand from another forum that she told everyone she was up for eviction because of that further lapse, but that in fact the rest of the housemates (possibly including her) are going to be on dry rations as the punishment for her continued rulebreaking.

Wow. That's some serious nasty shit. So if they all think she's up and she doesn't go this week, they'll be duped into thinking that she's more popular than whoever goes - that she has any support at all, in fact.

I hope her eviction vote percentage tops Sezer's. The swine.
 
 
haus of fraser
12:01 / 13.07.06
Nikki thinks one of the new ones will go...

Apparently they're not strong enough 'characters' and she thinks Jayne will be there till the end, i'm gonna enjoy this Friday- SO has been so appalled at Nikki's actions/ tantrums/ whining etc she refuses to watch, which has significantly reduced my viewing.

...almost worth another text i reckon.
 
 
Smoothly
12:10 / 13.07.06
Yes, vote for Nikki. Whatever you do, make sure Susie stays in. The show would be so dull without her.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:25 / 13.07.06
The polls I've seen show Susie and Aisleyne neck and neck, Smoothly.
 
 
Smoothly
12:44 / 13.07.06
So,

To evict SUSIE
Text SUSIE to 84444
Call 09011 32 33 16
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:02 / 13.07.06
The polls I've seen show Susie and Aisleyne neck and neck

Ahead of Nikki? Surely not ...
 
  

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